World Series 2022 -- Houston Astros vs Philadelphia Phillies

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Time for a dedicated thread. Will the Astros steamroll the Phillies like they have over everyone else? Or have the Phillies gotten hot at just the right time and are not to be messed with?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Astros in 5 5
Astros in 4 2
Astros in 6 2
Astros in 7 2
Phillies in 6 2
Phillies in 7 1
Phillies in 4 0
Phillies in 5 0


NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 06:45 (one month ago) link

voted astros in 5 but i've been wrong about everything else this postseason so who knows

i can't really root for either of these teams, but if philly wins i'll at least be happy that kyle schwarber has another ring

na (NA), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 13:03 (one month ago) link

Phillies in 6.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 25 October 2022 13:05 (one month ago) link

Always amazed me that Casey Stengel started by playing alongside names like Zack Wheat in the 1910s, then 50 years later he was managing the Mets. Dusty Baker was drafted in 1967, played alongside Aaron, now 50 years later he's managing in the WS. He (and Stengel, and Durocher, and even someone like Buck Martinez) personifies Posnanski's idea of the "baseball life." So I'd love to see him win.

But if the Phillies win, I'll be happy for Harper. I used to be iffy about his inconsistency, but the last two years he's really settled in--he was a good candidate for a third MVP before he went down this year.

I have a feeling the Phillies are the serendipitously hot team this year, so I'll take them in six.

clemenza, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 15:17 (one month ago) link

Yeah -- Astros for Dusty, Philths for Harper.

During the regular season, Realmuto and Schwarber combined for 32 SBs and were caught only twice. #howaboutthat

Andy K, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 22:53 (one month ago) link

only one person involved with this series invented the high-five

also dusty winning might help me stop thinking about poor russ ortiz

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 October 2022 23:55 (one month ago) link

only one person involved with this series invented the high-five

still completely fucked up by this

which is the thread for off-season hot stove shit? do we have one yet?

skip schumaker is going to be managing the marlins, for example. he's very scrappy!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 01:03 (one month ago) link

Astros in 5

Phillies are hot but the Astros are not going to let Harper beat them. Astros are that good and about to prove it.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 02:02 (one month ago) link

I hope I'm wrong because I actually really like this Phillies team but

Bee OK, Wednesday, 26 October 2022 02:03 (one month ago) link

Phillies do have that team of destiny vibe but the Astros have seemed well-nigh unbeatable and I voted Astros in 4 because it would be kind of cool to see a team sweep the postseason

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 18:39 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 27 October 2022 00:01 (one month ago) link

- verlander will tie jon lester for most playoff game 1 starts (12)

- with michael brantley on the IL, this will be the first world series since 1950 with no african-american players

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 October 2022 20:30 (one month ago) link

wow, that actually quite surprising!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 27 October 2022 20:38 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 28 October 2022 00:01 (one month ago) link

11 - 3

Bee OK, Friday, 28 October 2022 04:10 (one month ago) link

as a western pennsylvanian it would be tough to root for the phillies but also i hate their cream uniforms

points for being unique; more points off for being awful

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2022 04:14 (one month ago) link

oh look, it's red and blue and a barely stylized P

i'm glad they were the first team to lose 10,000 games

mookieproof, Friday, 28 October 2022 04:17 (one month ago) link

a juggernaut vs an okay team. momentum is fake in baseball

ciderpress, Friday, 28 October 2022 15:21 (one month ago) link

My mom scored a ticket to see the Halloween game, I told her she should go as Mike Schmidt.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 October 2022 16:33 (one month ago) link

mike schmidt was on a level with like, burt reynolds and george brett in my personal cosmology of manliness

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 October 2022 17:20 (one month ago) link

i feel like american masculinity reached its absolute apex in the late 70s, black, white, gay, straight, didn’t matter

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 October 2022 17:22 (one month ago) link

Here's Posnanski's preview:

https://open.substack.com/pub/joeposnanski/p/the-no-bs-world-series-preview?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

The Astros have primarily won via pitching so far, but it is impressive that they could sweep the first two series with their leadoff hitter 0-26 at one point.

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2022 20:34 (one month ago) link

Alas I am not a subscriber

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 October 2022 21:41 (one month ago) link

That's supposed to be a sharable link--let me try again.

https://open.substack.com/pub/joeposnanski/p/the-no-bs-world-series-preview?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

clemenza, Friday, 28 October 2022 21:55 (one month ago) link

Here we go

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 00:13 (one month ago) link

Gonna be 25 strikeouts tonight.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 00:29 (one month ago) link

Joe Davis is very good

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:06 (one month ago) link

Pretty damn impressive (Tucker, I mean).

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:13 (one month ago) link

Wow

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:25 (one month ago) link

Did this just really happen?

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:57 (one month ago) link

Phillies come all the way back

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 01:58 (one month ago) link

I thought this was over two innings ago. Verlander retires like 12 in a row and then sets about giving up a 5 run lead!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:00 (one month ago) link

The Verlander curse

The Baker curse

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:03 (one month ago) link

Harper up with two on

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 02:51 (one month ago) link

Astros get out of that mess

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:00 (one month ago) link

you don't actually have to give us a play-by-play

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:03 (one month ago) link

True, sorry

Bee OK, Saturday, 29 October 2022 03:04 (one month ago) link

bee, i kinda appreciate the play by play you offer. feel free to continue

sknybrg, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:01 (one month ago) link

Same

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:11 (one month ago) link

Kyle Tucker has gotta be asking what else does he have to do.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:47 (one month ago) link

He wasn't all that far from catching Realmuto's HR...I was watching and somehow managed to drift off for a few seconds and missed Castellanos's catch.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 04:57 (one month ago) link

That was, as they say, a statement win.

But then again, game of inches ... Castellanos barely making the catch, Tucker barely missing his, and so on.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 October 2022 06:31 (one month ago) link

Justin Verlander eh. Why the fuck did they leave him on for the 5th?

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 29 October 2022 06:47 (one month ago) link

He hasn’t been good this post season (and has never been good in the WS) but his regular season numbers plus future hall of fame credential probably count for something in the way of trust.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 29 October 2022 13:49 (one month ago) link

Even though I know you've got to have a quicker hook the nearer the end you are, it's almost a catch-22: the biggest reason Dusty Baker is successful as a manager is the respect his players have for him, and I think you'd damage that if you pull Verlander mid-inning in the 5th when you're still up 5-3.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 13:58 (one month ago) link

Surely if your pitcher shits the bed and gives up five runs to tie the game that puts pressure back on the batting order to get back that lead - which they obviously didn’t do.

barry sito (gyac), Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:03 (one month ago) link

i agree with gyac. Dusty’s sitting on the deepest pen in baseball, possibly the deepest pen in World Series history. everything was clicking for Verlander through three, and then all of a sudden it wasn’t, and he’s lucky the Phils only got 3. now you’ve got the top of the order coming back for the dreaded third time. i think it’s pretty cut and dried. you’re trying to win the World Series not a popularity contest.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 14:38 (one month ago) link

It's a seven-game series--I'm inclined to wait and see. Verlander gave up a double, and that tied the game, then he got the next two outs. Tucker's second HR made it 5-0 with one out in the third; should Thomson have pulled Nola then? He didn't, Nola finished the inning, got through the 4th without a run, and got the first out in the 5th. So it's forgotten.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:14 (one month ago) link

what the Phillies did or didn’t do is irrelevant. you’re Dusty Baker and you’ve got the greatest bullpen ever assembled, your starter is handing out bases like they’re halloween candy and they haven’t even been around the order twice yet. in the 4th Verlander gave up three singles, a double and a walk. he just didn’t have it anymore. he started the fifth by surrendering a double. he then walked Schwarber. and STILL he stays in the game. crazy.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:36 (one month ago) link

I mean this is just going by the book. you’re the one arguing in favour of an unorthodox “trust the guy” approach clemenza but usually people argue that when the by-the-book outcome DIDN’T come to pass. this time it did.

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 October 2022 15:43 (one month ago) link

I want a game 7 because I can’t watch tonight and also I want the phils to win.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:21 (one month ago) link

i don't really care who wins the series, but i *would* like a Brad Lidge Moment tonight

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:40 (one month ago) link

I want everyone to tell me--and tell me before it happens--the exact moment when they should take out Valdez.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:42 (one month ago) link

(Left myself wide open there: "How about we tell you the exact moment when we take out you instead?")

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:45 (one month ago) link

tell us -- before it happens -- the exact moment at which you will no longer be impressed by his performance

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:51 (one month ago) link

There it is

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:53 (one month ago) link

(Not talking about current conversations in this thread)

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:55 (one month ago) link

Yeah--it wasn't me who gushed about his curveball.

(It amuses me that after a decade of being ridiculed by ILX's patron saint as a wide-eyed naif, you've decided I'm jaded because I wasn't thrilled three relievers pitching three hitless innings.)

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 01:55 (one month ago) link

No way he leaned into that.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:03 (one month ago) link

Wow

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:13 (one month ago) link

Ditto...I think Alvarez has only been so-so since the Mariners HR, but what a flair for the dramatic.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:15 (one month ago) link

I want everyone to tell me--and tell me before it happens--the exact moment when they should take out Valdez.


Why are you still so mad about this?

Nobody has to be any sort of brain genius to think, huh, my starting pitcher gave up three runs, maybe I should think about taking him out. Also, it’s 2am my time, you can assume my general opinion as a Verlander disliker is “this 39 year old who’s having the best season of his life completely normally is a dickhead” and that I enjoy his suffering and humiliation. I don’t even want the Phillies to win, but I’d support them if it meant you finally shut up about Verlander losing game 1.

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:17 (one month ago) link

Just needling...not sure your post was necessary in the middle of this great inning.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:18 (one month ago) link

Don’t needle if you don’t like getting it back. Also, don’t read ilx during the game if you get annoyed at being replied to while play is happening?

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:21 (one month ago) link

Oh my goodness--you sound far angrier than any of my posts.

My basic point was that everybody decided pulling Verlander was the right move after he gave up the two runs. No one posted beforehand. So I was saying, "Okay, this time tell me beforehand." Twice Thomson has removed his starter this series and had it blow up. In G5, Baker left Verlander in to get out of a couple of jams, and that time it worked.

It's baseball--anything can happen, and there's no right answer.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:25 (one month ago) link

fwiw i would not let valdez start the seventh

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:26 (one month ago) link

93 pitches, three straight righties to face (not that i know his splits, of course)

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:28 (one month ago) link

Great! That's all I'm asking for. I think that's reasonable around 90 pitches. I'd give him a baserunner before pulling him--we'll see.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:29 (one month ago) link

dusty otm (until the phillies run amok, of course)

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:31 (one month ago) link

No one posted beforehand. So I was saying, "Okay, this time tell me beforehand."


It was 2am my time. Had I been awake, I would have said what I thought: why the fuck is he coming back out for the 5th?

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:32 (one month ago) link

gentlemen, can we simply enjoy the mystery that is baseball? it’s been a great series (also, valdez out this inning)

sknybrg, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:33 (one month ago) link

gyac is no gentleman

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:34 (one month ago) link

If the Astros do hang on, Valdez vs. Pena is a pretty interesting MVP call.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:34 (one month ago) link

Peña mvp for me

They do the Shug a loo, do the Shy Tuna, do the Kemba Walker (fionnland), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:35 (one month ago) link

Gyac, I can be stubborn about my opinions. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying there's room for a difference of opinion there.

I think I'd go with Pena too.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:36 (one month ago) link

bothers me that espn resets all the individual stats for each series while mlb dot com shows cumulative playoff stats

espn is wrong, but i guess it's useful for mvp-ness

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:36 (one month ago) link

If he hadn’t already gone out, this would have been a great time for Nick Castellanos to have homered.

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:36 (one month ago) link

If it were just Pena with the bat, maybe Valdez, but Pena's been fantastic in the field, too. They still have to win.

(Not sure which broadcast I have on, but if you don't the same one, they just said there hasn't been a home team clinch the WS at home since 2013...that's kind of amazing.)

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:42 (one month ago) link

That was truly weird, about six different ways.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 02:57 (one month ago) link

fortunately for my aunt, the iggles are 8-0

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:17 (one month ago) link

I hate the astros

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:18 (one month ago) link

congrats to Dusty and Dusty only

frogbs, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:20 (one month ago) link

Okay you won a real one, can you please fade from the spotlight now, there are other, much cooler less tainted teams that would like to play baseball well too

hrep (H.P), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:20 (one month ago) link

Found it moving the way they surrounded Dusty in the dugout. I guess I've seen that before, but I don't remember.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:22 (one month ago) link

I picked Astros in 5, it took a extra game. Very happy for Dusty Baker.

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:22 (one month ago) link

Joe Davis > Joe Buck

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:25 (one month ago) link

fuck the haters, my Astros take another WS, wearing my Altuve jersey RN

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:28 (one month ago) link

Congrats f. hazel

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:33 (one month ago) link

f. hazel, you and me both :)

pena, mvp. right on.

sknybrg, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:35 (one month ago) link

Congrats sknybrg, I thought you would be a Mets fan

Bee OK, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:41 (one month ago) link

Between Ortiz shooting the fake money at him and the cameo by his wife, I know Verlander has endeared himself to ILB even more.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 03:55 (one month ago) link

Phillies offense stressed me out this entire series, never felt safe from them

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Sunday, 6 November 2022 04:51 (one month ago) link

they were like 3-for-420 with runners in scoring position tho

wonder how joe girardi feels tonight

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 November 2022 06:11 (one month ago) link

lol phils did very well given their shit unbalanced roster, late season streaks are real but they disappear as soon as they come

buzza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 09:46 (one month ago) link

Joe Davis > Joe Buck

I second this. Davis probably made more memorable calls in this postseason than Joe Buck did in the last 25 years.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 6 November 2022 10:25 (one month ago) link

Fun season

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 6 November 2022 14:59 (one month ago) link

Didn't realize till last night that Pena's already 25. Late start for a rookie (for the obvious reason of Correa) that will probably come into play when he hits the free agent market down the road.

Like anything pertaining to old media, I doubt Sports Illustrated's Sportsperson of the Year is nearly as newsworthy as it was 20 years ago. (1998, McGwire and Sosa; 2001, Johnson and Schilling. Three of the four are pariahs now.) Still, I'd love to see Dusty Baker win it this year. Wasn't sure if they've ever given it to a coach, but I checked and they have, at least three times: John Wooden in 1972, Dean Smith in 1997, and Pat Summitt and Mike Krzyzewski in 2011. (They seem to have a thing about college basketball coaches.) If they do go with baseball, I suppose it'd be Judge; if the Yankees had won, for sure it's be Judge. I don't know if there is an obvious winner from some other sport this year.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 November 2022 16:38 (one month ago) link

Totally forgot that it was Dusty Baker's son who almost got trampled at home in 2003.

https://www.mlb.com/news/darren-baker-celebrates-dad-dusty-s-world-series-victory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzV7x8WcR4g

clemenza, Thursday, 10 November 2022 13:41 (three weeks ago) link

That’s literally the first thing I think of when it comes to Baker. I had only recently started watching baseball again and I wondered who the idiot was that let a toddler on the field

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 November 2022 15:19 (three weeks ago) link

J.T. Snow ought to be in the HOF for that.

clemenza, Thursday, 10 November 2022 15:42 (three weeks ago) link


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