things I learned about in baseball this week/how i learned to stop worrying and love baseball

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So.

This year I did something I didn't expect; I got into baseball.

It started in the summer, suitably. I couldn't sleep. I have several ways to deal with this but I usually start off by reading something boring. I was on Deadspin, they had one of those "how can Shohei Ohtani flourish?!" type articles on it. I read, I stayed awake, I read more. If I'd read about NFL, maybe I'd have fallen asleep, but no.

This went on for a few weeks and it only got worse, not better. I started talking to Pirates fan/general legend mookieproof about this, who started sending me interesting deep cuts. I mentioned it in passing to Red Sox dad Tracer Hand, who responded with enthusiasm and encouragement. I asked lifelong Cubs fan felicity about it, who was amused but who also encouraged this interest & would talk about her beloved Cubs and favourite players over the years. These three are my baseball gurus. I listened, I learned, I looked up their faves, I was and am grateful for their attention and patience with my nonsense.

Now, I didn't exactly know literally nothing. From the Yakuza games, I knew the different pitches, how/why you foul off a pitch, stealing signs (supposedly more serious an offence in Japan!), from general, idk, life? a lot of the terminology, a good chunk of the teams. I also knew that, given the inclinations of my gurus, I wouldn't be supporting the Yankees. (I do not actually have a team and tbh I don't know if I will*?) But basically I was starting out with almost nothing.

And I had a weird disconnect. I knew I liked reading about baseball - something that seems less weird in a game where so many people are into sabermetrics. But I wasn't sure about watching it. For one thhing - the games are long. (I generally watch/follow football/rugby/GAA - you could easily watch 2 or 3 games of any of those in a baseball game.) For another, I live in the UK and the games are late (and, you know, on another continent). And finally, what if I'd spent all this time reading about Sandy Koufax and the Black Sox Scandal and sticky stuff and juiced balls and all that and I didn't actually like it?

But I'd watched plenty of clips on Youtube and so I found myself, much to my husband's disgust, months after this phase started, watching Mariners-Angels. Carlos Santana homered. Ohtani struck out. But you know what? I fucking loved it.

One of my late night readings led me to Andrew Baggarly's book about the 2010 SF Giants WS win and I was captivated by his prose and the romance of the story, so I ordered that. I also have his other book about the Giants which I finished reading & reviewing here: The (S)word in the Autumn Stone: What Are You Reading, Fall 2022?

The story of the team took me in and it's stories that kept me awake reading about baseball. That and redasses. I respect that.

I watched what I could of the current season (maybe 10 games?) & then I realised that I wanted to watch the games I was reading about from those Giants teams. So I started watching them on Youtube. This was when I was watching 2012 WS Game 1 (Zito clowning on & eventually scoring off Justin Verlander is hilarious af, sorry.)
https://i.postimg.cc/7Z5Q9VLw/53-BFBC89-9-E37-4955-A010-1-DF3-EB023-DA0.jpg

And so I kept doing it. (FYI I have watched patches of the Giants 2010 & 2012 postseasons and I am excited to eventually get to the Madbum series, though my next one is the ALCS game 3 2003 cos I want to see two legendary pitchers clear the benches - hbp just doesn't provide me all the violence I need in a sport you know.) So if you are still reading this extremely indulgent thread 1) lol wau 2) thanks, though 3) please feel free to recommend you any classic games you think I might like. I will watch any team. I like pitchers and defence as much as dingers - some of my favourite teams in football have been Italian teams strong on defence, so I guess I carry that over from other sports. Hoping to watch as much of current postseason live as I can, but, timezones & also that's over soon.

Anyway, tedious intro over. What did I learn about in baseball this week? (This is so far in the realm of useless but entertaining trivia as I have finished one book & I still have 3 more to read, 2 of which are not about the SF Giants. I feel as though I could read and watch for ten years and still feel like a dilettante but I won't. Also, I have a job and husband and other responsibilities.)

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX4L2LHGs98

2. That poor Bill Buckner features in a surprising number of song lyrics, mainly about going between the legs.

3. That Mark Mulder makes John Rocker seem liberal now. (RIP Big Three).

4. That Jimmy Carter likes the Braves

*I basically need some sort of connection to a team. My football team are the one my family supports; I support GAA & rugby teams from my part of Ireland. So, no team, but that's ok for me.

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:37 (one month ago) link

So glad you started this thread

“Classic games” is an interesting one - so much of it is situational - like within the context of a season or a series. I’d love to know what other people think are classic games worth watching in and of themselves

Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 October 2022 21:43 (one month ago) link

I'd start with Carlton Fisk and Game 6, '75 Series--pretty sure the whole game's on YouTube. Fisk just scratches the surface of that game. It's also probably the last moment baseball was incontrovertibly "the national pastime." (Game 7 of the '75 Series was watched by 51 million people, second most ever--for some reason, more were watching Game 6 of the '80 Series.)

clemenza, Monday, 17 October 2022 21:47 (one month ago) link

WS Gm 6, 1986, Mets/Red Sox.

If you are going to watch Gm 3, 2003 ALCS, you are sort of starting in the middle of the story. You might want to set it all up by watching some selected BOS-NYY games from the 2003-2004 regular season (7/01/2004 is a good one), the entire 2003 ALCS, Game 3 and Game 7 are classic moments, then top it all off with the 2004 ALCS. This is pure drama.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:55 (one month ago) link

That’s a good lineup

Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 October 2022 21:58 (one month ago) link

The Joba Chamberlin midges game (Gm 2 2007 ALDS) is a tight game with some late laughs.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:59 (one month ago) link

Might appeal to your sense of humor maybe.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 21:59 (one month ago) link

Oh, sorry for so many Yankees recommendations, but the entire 1995 ALDS is amazing from start to finish.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:05 (one month ago) link

That would be NYY-SEA.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:06 (one month ago) link

What playoff baseball does better than any other sport is slow motion drama - the gradual tightening of the vice as the bases are loaded in a tight game and the pitcher's natural advantage gives way to pressure. Overtime playoff hockey has drama like no other, but the continuous action of the game and how suddenly it is over, doesn't let you appreciate the build the way baseball does. This is what I love about baseball.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:10 (one month ago) link

Hey I'll watch any team! I just have the Yanquis permanently crossed out in my heart. Thank you for the recommendations! Fwiw the Game 3 rec was following on from the Phanatic-Dodgers video, in the genre of "fat old men getting mad".But I've been watching the 2010 postseason out of order anyway.

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:10 (one month ago) link

Lol @ old fat men getting mad - you've come to the right sport.

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:11 (one month ago) link

A thing I learned (though not this week) is how fast things can go downhill in this game. Managers are so fast to yank a pitcher off when he fucks up, but it's always unfortunate for the guy who inherits the mess afterwards. Postseason has delivered so much of this. The Mariners-Astros game, we had to stop after 12 innings, but I was so impressed by the way the pitchers held it together under what must have been immense pressure. Stuff like that, stuff like Tim Lincecum having a shaky first inning against the Braves in his first postseason game before going on to strikeout 14 of them. That's all stuff I love.

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:13 (one month ago) link

G7, 2001 WS was incredible, but, as pointed out above, detached from the rest of the series--and detached from the years preceding it, when it seemed like the Yankees owned the WS--it might not seem so incredible.

clemenza, Monday, 17 October 2022 22:21 (one month ago) link

Probably true, but I don't really have a choice in the matter since I wasn't there. I will be watching these games, just fyi!

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:23 (one month ago) link

The background to 2003/2004 Sox/Yanks in my mind is that it’s the modern Yankees not quite in their full pomp but close to it, a young Jeter, Torre at the helm, just a few years removed from “greatest team ever” status (they got that engraved on their 1998 World Series rings). so-called because they set the MLB record for most wins in a season (though not the most regular-season wins iirc). They’ve still got Mariano (greatest closer ever), Bernie, Posada, Soriano, Pettite, Weaver, David Wells for god’s sake, Clemens, Contreras was great that year, they’d just signed Matsui. They were a great team. A-Rod was still playing short in Arlington, Texas.

Boston largely already had the lineup that would win it all a year later. Crazy to realise that Nomar was still playing for them in 2003! Feels like he doesn’t belong in this era of the team but there he was. It was Big Papi’s first year in Boston. Dustin Pedroia was NOT on this team (?!?) Schilling wasn’t either. The starting pitching was hittable apart from Pedro. And no real certified closer. Foulke was busy locking up the American League lead in saves in Oakland.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 October 2022 22:24 (one month ago) link

For a self-contained game, maybe G6, 2011--the David Freese game. Incredible...I think the Rangers were one strike away from winning the series three times.

clemenza, Monday, 17 October 2022 22:24 (one month ago) link

Last post for a bit, else I'll never shut up...If you're interested in individuals, not just games, I'd suggest Reggie's 3-HR game in the '77 Series, Brooks Robinson in the '70 Series, and Roberto Clemente in the '71 Series. Not sure which specific games to look for with Robinson and Clemente.

clemenza, Monday, 17 October 2022 22:28 (one month ago) link

5. Buster Posey grew up playing baseball in a purpose-built batting cage on his parents' 50 acre farm.
6. "Soft hands" - this is such a weird term omg?

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:29 (one month ago) link

Can I just point out, I made this thread as a way of giving some relief to the people I was no doubt boring to death about it, so please don't worry. And yes I am interested in individuals too!

barry sito (gyac), Monday, 17 October 2022 22:30 (one month ago) link

G6, 2011--the David Freese game


there’s an incredible video somewhere of reactions from cardinals fans at the various (and many) key moments in this game

Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 October 2022 23:00 (one month ago) link

Maybe this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ypIakgaR2c

The whole game's on YouTube too--almost four hours.

clemenza, Monday, 17 October 2022 23:38 (one month ago) link

post season baseball is the absolute best and I'm sad I can't really afford bt sport anymore to record the games and watch them during UK friendly hours. at least I got to see the Atlanta baseball team win the WS for the first time since my beloved maddux/glavine/smoltz era.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 06:15 (one month ago) link

You could fall down the rabbit hole for weeks with these recommendations, but if I had to pick one game from the last decade it has to be Game 7 of the 2016 WS, Cleveland vs Chicago Cubs. The history and backstory won't ever be repeated (176 combined years between the two teams since their last championship) and the game has at least five or six "WTF did I just see????" moments.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 07:02 (one month ago) link

good one

oscar bravo i guess you might cite the 1991 World Series? it comes up a lot in “the best ever played” conversations. the beginning of the Smoltz/Maddux era in Atlanta.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 07:34 (one month ago) link

would recommend game five of the 2015 ALDS between toronto and texas

it was toronto’s first playoff appearance in 22 years. the blue jays lost the first two games at home, then won both games in texas to force a decisive fifth game. the seventh inning alone — top and bottom — is among the craziest single frames in history

would also recommend game one of the 1988 world series between the dodgers and a’s. it has a legendary conclusion and the announcer was vin scully, who was peerless

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 07:52 (one month ago) link

I remember that 2015 game (how did I not think of that first?)...Another insane one with the Jays: G4, 1993. I don't know that it's famous for any one hit or play, but I think it was the longest Series game ever at the time (4:14), and maybe the highest scoring (15-14). Mitch Williams took the loss, a bit of foreshadowing.

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:14 (one month ago) link

I am excited for you to be in a position to watch an entire season next year! Baseball is best when you can let it ambiently drift by for a summer and take in the rhythms by osmosis (“he’s having a good year…” you’ll nod to yourself when your 2B is slashing 240/300/275. “Whaddabum…” you’ll say about your fringey reliever who’s pitched 50 innings of low-leverage ball to the tune of a 2.00 era)

Off the dome shit:

Kerry Wood’s 20K game

A’s at dodgers WS 88 game 1

Any supercut of Pedro Martinez strikeouts

Any supercut of Bonds’ HR in 2001, to see what peak performance looks like

I have also recommended the book “Class A” by Lucas Mann as a contemporary look at the low minors.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:35 (one month ago) link

The Rhys Hoskins bat spike this weekend was rad

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:38 (one month ago) link

xp on Kerry Wood & Pedro Martinez but I appreciate specific recommendations, tysm!

barry sito (gyac), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:42 (one month ago) link

Also commit this to memory:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn28Dz4RUxc

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:44 (one month ago) link

gyac, I assume you've seen this classic moment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbEHAsZxRYo

sometimes you have to drink to kill the paranoia (PBKR), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 13:58 (one month ago) link

Fun fact you might enjoy:

Left-handed relief pitcher Billy Wagner (known for his absurd strikeout rate) is actually a natural right hander but after breaking his right arm twice as a kid he learned to throw with his left arm. And now he’s probably going to wind up in the hall of fame for being such a dominant pitcher.

omar little, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 15:56 (one month ago) link

Game 7 of the 2016 series is also my pick. Classic Cleveland clutch comeback to tie it coupled with a classic Aroldis Chapman meltdown, finished off with a determined Cubs team scraping out two runs (and Cleveland making it tense at the end too.)

omar little, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 15:58 (one month ago) link

Ten cent beer night is an event that encapsulates baseball in Cleveland in the 70's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daWdOwqQhCs

brownie, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 21:02 (one month ago) link

I will respond to all these posts in time but I’m watching this alds game atm. However I am nearly finished A Band of Misfits, about the 2010 Giants, and I’ve seriously watched this clip about ten times & also Clark’s homer against Nolan Ryan in his first big league at bat (!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUkTfbOEKTs

Lmao both at the guy going “you’re overmodulating” and Clark going “HUH??? NO WAY!” And also the guy stepping in from the side to clearly try to calm him down, and Clark shakes his hand instead.

Supposedly he used The Thrill is Gone as his answering machine message as well. Legendary.

barry sito (gyac), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 21:16 (one month ago) link

smoothest swing of all time

Spottie, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 21:17 (one month ago) link

there's also a whole thread about BASEBALL MOVIES that i haven't really paid attention to

would recommend:

BULL DURHAM - it's long since passed into cliche (and tim robbins very obviously cannot pitch) but it presents the cliches in a nice manner, and also i used to live in durham and know where that house is

SUGAR - pretty honest look at what it's like to be a (dominican/puerto rican/venezuelan) kid left to fend for himself in the minor leagues. needless to say, there are a lot of non-success stories

NO NO: A DOCKUMENTARY - the story of 1970s pitcher dock ellis, who once threw a no-hitter (for the pirates, no less) while tripping on LSD. among other crazy shit like plunking four straight cincinnati reds to start a game. he was a troubled and interesting man

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 October 2022 23:45 (one month ago) link

This, along with Aaron's 715th, is my favorite baseball memory ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4nwMDZYXTI

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 23:49 (one month ago) link

I remember that 2015 game (how did I not think of that first?)

These days Toronto vs Texas G5 is the first thing I think of when it comes to games/moments that I want to rewatch. But I didn't want to be accused of homerism by recommending it first ...

Game 7 of the 2016 series is also my pick. Classic Cleveland clutch comeback to tie it coupled with a classic Aroldis Chapman meltdown, finished off with a determined Cubs team scraping out two runs (and Cleveland making it tense at the end too.)

And that's only the last three innings!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 19 October 2022 06:26 (one month ago) link

This week has been rough and I’ve barely watched any baseball.

More things I learned specifically about “Surfin” Barry Zito from reading excerpts from
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61frVWPOc1L.jpg

- Barry Zito did meth in his teens
- the first chapter opens with a quote from someone saying “if San Fran wins the World Series, does Barry Zito get a ring?” (Ouch - though I am a fan of brutally honest sports autobios).
- Barry Zito’s grandfather started a newspaper with Mussolini (!)

I need to read this book, there’s nothing more boring than reading stories of endless success from people who go to bed early and never do anything bad.

barry sito (gyac), Friday, 21 October 2022 21:32 (one month ago) link

watch game 5 2012 NLCS giants vs cardinals if you want some more zito lore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8S-PI7HZ8o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Meay49NgGXI
giants down 1-3 in the series and he gets the start despite a very poor showing in the series before. giants win the next three then zito wins game 1 of the world series vs verlander which you mentioned.

Spottie, Friday, 21 October 2022 21:45 (one month ago) link

I was thinking about which game I would recommend watching and actually realised the games I got the biggest kick out of weren't necessarily epic important ones. Like any Greg Maddux 85 pitch complete game shutout with like 2 strikeouts and upward of a dozen groundouts + handful of weak pop flys is amazing viewing imo. Especially with how different baseball is now.

oscar bravo, Friday, 21 October 2022 21:53 (one month ago) link

Or Tom Glavine locating his fast ball consistently just outside the outside edge the strikezone with such monotone regularity that the umpire starts calling it a strike.

oscar bravo, Friday, 21 October 2022 21:57 (one month ago) link

(xpost) You've almost perfectly described Maddux's G2 win against the Yankees in the '96 Series:

86 pitches, 6 H, 2 K, 0 BB, 0 runs. He didn't pitch a shutout, though--Bobby Cox brought in Wohlers for the 9th. He didn't let Maddux finish his Maddux.

clemenza, Friday, 21 October 2022 22:07 (one month ago) link

yeah those 90s braves pitchers were clinical, hated them of course.

Spottie, Friday, 21 October 2022 22:12 (one month ago) link

For what it's worth, Maddux was more of a strikeout pitcher than he's generally remembered as (with some help from the umps): 6.1/per 9 for his career, 6.9/per 9 during his '92-'98 peak. My favourite pitcher then--travelled to Montreal to see him somewhere in the middle there.

clemenza, Friday, 21 October 2022 22:21 (one month ago) link

I did get the chance to see Smoltz's 3,000th career strikeout in person, that was epic. Still much love for him in the ATL.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 21 October 2022 22:44 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

I was thinking about which game I would recommend watching and actually realised the games I got the biggest kick out of weren't necessarily epic important ones. Like any Greg Maddux 85 pitch complete game shutout with like 2 strikeouts and upward of a dozen groundouts + handful of weak pop flys is amazing viewing imo. Especially with how different baseball is now.


I have been reading about Maddux in part due to you! I didn’t realise he was a relatively slow pitcher. You really don’t see many pitchers play that long anymore.

Unrelated great pic 1:
https://i.postimg.cc/zB2BgZgZ/DDD252-C2-DED9-47-C5-9591-E5994-EB1-BB4-A.jpg

I am going to watch this

ALCS game 3 2003

tomorrow and also I want to watch game 7 of the 2004 ALCS at some point this week, mainly due to seeing Yankee commentators popping off about Boone showing it to this year’s Yankees & also due to it being a legendary comeback. I’m home for a week so I will be watching other matches too.

Unrelated great pic 2 (though if you would like to discuss baseball player style/‘style’ then please also do so!)
https://preview.redd.it/ovepbtbjthx61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c9719ea278ece291d85a3c8cb2222a9ea83cc9c7

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Tuesday, 8 November 2022 19:26 (four weeks ago) link

One that I forgot to recommend, on YouTube in its entirety: Mark Fidrych vs. the Yankees, June 28, 1976, 48,000 people in Yankee Stadium (on a Monday), ABC's Monday Night game, Fidrych 7-1 with a 2.18 ERA going in, the biggest story in baseball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGj4VfCreg

For style, Luis Tiant.

https://phildellio.tripod.com/tiant.jpg

clemenza, Tuesday, 8 November 2022 19:42 (four weeks ago) link

actually both knees have been replaced

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 12:00 (three weeks ago) link

Zimmer gets bundled over like a pile of rags

Commentator 1: THAT IS TERRIBLE
Commentator 2: I’d like to see that again
Me: ME TOO

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 12:02 (three weeks ago) link

Oh yeah that’s the good stuff…the way he rolls…
https://media.tenor.com/S5izgmPLdcEAAAAd/pedro-martinez-don-zimmer.gif

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 12:12 (three weeks ago) link

Postscript to this tragedy: I went out to change 3 litter trays and I was not adequately focused on the job at hand - I ended up splitting a bag of used litter and having to scoop it up because I was still thinking about Zimmer’s roll and the way he went down and so set the bag down on a sharp-edged tile…still worth it…

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 12:41 (three weeks ago) link

This year I did something I didn't expect; I got into baseball.

It started in the summer, suitably. I couldn't sleep.

Curiously this happened to my mum a few years ago. Channel 5 (I think) started showing baseball really late at night - actually early morning - and she was going through an insomniac phase and she got hooked on it. This is someone who had never shown the slightest interest in any sport ever - except if there was a chance of Scotland beating England at something.

Fronted by a bearded Phil Collins (Tom D.), Wednesday, 9 November 2022 13:09 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

I reviewed A Band of Misfits and Moneyball here: The (S)word in the Autumn Stone: What Are You Reading, Fall 2022?

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 22:30 (one week ago) link

Baggarly seems like a cool dude. 3 time Jeopardy champ.

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Wednesday, 23 November 2022 23:52 (one week ago) link

What!

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Thursday, 24 November 2022 00:09 (one week ago) link

Have fun! Maybe you can arrive early and catch a hr during batting practice.

The Bankruptcy of the Planet of the Apes (PBKR), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 12:55 (six days ago) link

I’m the shortest person of those three so I hope to duck out of the way and let them do the catching tbh

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 13:21 (six days ago) link

the fences are pretty shallow iirc

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 13:31 (six days ago) link

Good luck guys l’ll be wearing full tools of ignorance

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 13:36 (six days ago) link

Enjoying this thread as an ex-Expos fan who recently got back into baseball due to my son, who has been playing baseball for a number of years but has only recently gotten more into watching baseball.

Still feels weird to be a Blue Jays fan, but that's my son's team, so my team also.

silverfish, Wednesday, 30 November 2022 16:16 (six days ago) link

Look no offence but did you not cringe at the hype for the Jays closer during that last Mariners game

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 16:34 (six days ago) link

Btw speaking of Expos I find it incredibly funny that Pedro hits the Phillies batter audibly in the first pitch of this video and the title of the video is about Pedro getting plunked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDA85mcVSxU

after several days on “the milk,” (gyac), Wednesday, 30 November 2022 16:36 (six days ago) link

Pedro Martinez is probably my favorite Expo, I still remember listening to his perfect through 9 innings game on the radio while playing videogames (which is a weird thing I regularly did as a teenager).

silverfish, Thursday, 1 December 2022 14:59 (five days ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTNyk1oklQA

Thank you SF Giants youtube account for delivering me this unexpected Matt Cain content, I love him so much

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 09:49 (four days ago) link

lol straight into gyac's veins!

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 09:52 (four days ago) link

have you watched the whole thing?

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 09:52 (four days ago) link

it's strange, but you rarely get to hear baseball players actually talk in detail about the plays in a game. it's great. usually it's just rushed post-game shit about how we played hard and trusted in god

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 09:54 (four days ago) link

Yes I have! My favourite part of this is Blanco’s 7th inning catch, which he was in a position to get only because he knew Cain tended to throw a certain pitch when he was down in the count and if it got hit it would go in the gap between centre and right field.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:02 (four days ago) link

absolutely incredible moment. right, all those minute little adjustments. they happen on every pitch but they're not usually appreciated.

i love how happy and lazy Bochy looks in the studio. you earned it buddy.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 10:07 (four days ago) link

I love how everyone is so superstitious and afraid of jinxing it, they refuse to describe it. “Matt Cain has not given up a base runner tonight.” Lmao also @ Cain’s “ugh” when he throws a pitch in the dirt in the 8th inning and hits Posey bouncing back up.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:07 (four days ago) link

xp clearly Peavy and Lincecum got him on the good stuff like Peavy said.

I can’t believe he unretired to coach the fucking Texas Rangers.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:08 (four days ago) link

it's a great point posey makes that the last pitch of the game, the sharp opposite field grounder off the end of the bat, would have been a double down the line if that game was in 2022. third basemen just don't play left handed hitters over there anymore.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 December 2022 10:10 (four days ago) link

They also don’t mention my favourite non-play moment

Cain was at 103 pitches as he strolled back to the dugout, where baseball's superstitions had long since taken over for his teammates. Well, for most of them.

You don't talk to a pitcher who is working on a no-hitter, and you certainly don't sit close to him in the dugout. But when Cain returned after the stressful seventh, he found Belt, in his second big league season, in his spot. Cain was amused, and a day later Belt admitted that it wasn't his first faux pas in that type of situation. In the minors, he once walked back into the dugout in the middle of a no-hitter and pointed out to teammates that there were a lot of zeros on the scoreboard.


CAIN: "I mean, it's kind of obvious. There's a towel. (Pitching coach Dave Righetti) would always lay out a towel. It was always there ... (Ryan Vogelsong) was like, 'What are you doing!' Belt was just completely oblivious, which now we know Belt and its standard for him. It was awesome."

BELT: "It wasn't funny at the time. I got the death stare from Cain and Vogey, but looking back on it, he might have gotten the perfect game because I sat there. I look at it as I think I'm good luck. But yeah, that was a scary moment for me, for sure. I thought Vogey was going to kill me."

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:14 (four days ago) link

They should have included a trigger warning of Dave Righetti’s no hitter against the Red Sox.

Cain was always so stoic and calm on the mound. I love seeing him so emotional! 🥺🥺🥺

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:25 (four days ago) link

An extremely less magical but oddly memorable game was in 2011 when the Giants were eliminated from the 2011 playoffs by the Diamondbacks. Some weird shit went on in that game. Mike Fontenot got ran over by the 2nd base umpire (this was hilarious). Henry frickin Blanco got a triple.

lets hear some blues on those synths (brimstead), Friday, 2 December 2022 22:01 (four days ago) link

gyac I am not sure if this was covered already but a friend posted abt it and I immediately thought of this thread:

Dock Ellis attempted to hit every batter in the Cincinnati Reds lineup on May 1, 1974, as he was angry that the Pirates were intimidated by Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Joe Morgan and the rest of the Big Red Machine. In the clubhouse before the game Ellis announced, "We gonna get down. We gonna do the do. I'm going to hit these mo**********s." Ellis took the mound and drilled Rose in the ribs. Morgan was next, he was hit in the side. Dan Driessen batted third, attempt to spin out of the way, he got plunked in the back, bases loaded. Cleanup batter Tony Perez had a pitch thrown behind him, another thrown over his head, and somehow avoided two others to draw a walk. Manager Danny Murtaugh pulled Ellis, but not until after Dock sent the next two pitches directly at the head of Johnny Bench.

sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:44 (three days ago) link

Was he tripping?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:45 (three days ago) link

I assume not, I knew the LSD story of course but not that one

sleeve, Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:45 (three days ago) link

Pete Rose richly deserved getting hit. Not sure about the other guys.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 00:47 (three days ago) link

He wasn't tripping. It was a vendetta of some sort--there was a detailed account of it in a book I read a few years ago...I think there was a specific reason why Perez was spared, but I've forgotten it.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:02 (three days ago) link

Actually, I think it was just Ellis getting tired of the Reds beating the Pirates all the time, and their penchant for bravado and arrogance.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:02 (three days ago) link

I didn't really think he was tripping, it just seems so bizarre (from the perspective of 2022) that it seems to be on par with the LSD story.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:04 (three days ago) link

I think I maybe know where I read about it--let me check.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:08 (three days ago) link

very heartwarming thread. i drifted away from watching baseball when i was a teenager and then i had to move home around the start of the 2021 season bc of breakup/job loss/life stuff and the giants miracle season, which i watched with my mom who is a lifelong fan, was the thing that gave structure to my day and kept me from falling into self-loathing + despair. and since then i've watched almost every game.

love watching the highlights from matt cain's perfect game + tim lincecum's two no-hitters. somehow even knowing what's going to happen the close plays have my heart racing.

oiocha, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:25 (three days ago) link

I think it was Dan Epstein's excellent Big Hair and Plastic Grass where I read it--thought I had it, but maybe I read a library copy. Anyway, here's a pretty detailed account.

https://theathletic.com/1785449/2020/05/01/what-the-f-is-it-with-this-guy-the-day-dock-ellis-threw-at-every-cincinnati-red/

In the spring of 1974, Dock Ellis decided he was sick of the Cincinnati Reds’ shit. The Big Red Machine was ascending. Three years removed from a World Series, the Pirates were on the decline. Ellis couldn’t abide by how his teammates handled the paradigm shift. When he saw the Reds, he vowed to send a message. On the first day of May, he got his chance.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:31 (three days ago) link

otm

the Dockumentary is absolutely worth watching if you can track it down

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 December 2022 01:51 (three days ago) link

This has been bugging me, so I found the Facebook post I put up eight years ago--of all places, it was Rick Perlstein's The Invisible Bridge where I read about it.

Most amazing thing I’ve yet come across in Rick Perlstein’s The Invisible Bridge: a 1974 game between the Pirates and the Reds where Dock Ellis stated his intention ahead of time to hit everyone who stepped up to bat. Here’s the box score:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/.../PIT/PIT197405010.shtml

In the first inning, Ellis hit Rose, hit Morgan, hit Dan Dreissen, walked Perez (who, according to an account I read, had to dodge every pitch), then got pulled (not ejected), but only after almost hitting Bench with a couple of pitches. Perlstein says it was in retaliation for a racist security guard who harassed Ellis at Riverfront Stadium; the other explanation I’ve come across is that Ellis was tired of the Reds beating up on Pittsburgh, and wanted to send them a message.

I was 12 when this happened, and had been a big fan for two or three years. The Reds were my favourite team. No recollection of this at all.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 12:57 (three days ago) link

The link above for the box score is incomplete:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PIT/PIT197405010.shtml

clemenza, Saturday, 3 December 2022 13:10 (three days ago) link

Learning about America through baseball:

https://i.postimg.cc/02Kwkjb6/A9-B42-B72-EF71-47-D8-BC64-4-E8-D7194-CD83.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/FHjkS6bN/F9-E63-D39-5-A7-B-4-D30-B66-E-4-D01-EC4-F1-D77.jpg

Georgia - the South
Alabama - the South
North Carolina - maybe????
Tennessee- lmao no
Arizona- what the fuck is Arizona

bit high, bitch (gyac), Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:43 (two days ago) link

Btw these articles were from the 2014 regular season, a season where Bumgarner lived in Tim Hudson’s basement

bit high, bitch (gyac), Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:44 (two days ago) link

Tennessee is the South. They’re busting Cain’s chops for moving to Arizona

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:44 (two days ago) link

“Every game day there’s grits”

The secret of the Giants’ success revealed!

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:46 (two days ago) link

Tennessee is the South. They’re busting Cain’s chops for moving to Arizona


https://media0.giphy.com/media/3orieUyda3QynAL8ek/giphy.gif

bit high, bitch (gyac), Sunday, 4 December 2022 15:56 (two days ago) link

Bitch don’t tell me the Robinson/Reese story is possibly apocryphal; I want to believe

bit high, bitch (gyac), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 14:43 (eight hours ago) link

That story is featured prominently in the Ken Burns documentary, and I think I've read mention of it elsewhere too; have to believe it happened. (Such a great story.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 December 2022 18:00 (five hours ago) link


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