The 2021-2022 Non-Fungible Hot Stove Thread (Presented by Monkeyjizz)

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See ya, Buster. Hell of a player...

BREAKING NEWS: Sources tell The Athletic that Buster Posey will announce his retirement tomorrow. More to come...

— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) November 3, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:42 (four weeks ago) link

anyone know why?

have you considered that there are 1 shades of gray (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:45 (four weeks ago) link

Might as well go out relatively healthy after a strong season. Maybe ESPN or TBS made him an offer?

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 21:47 (four weeks ago) link

Rolling lockout thred

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 23:19 (four weeks ago) link

Tsuyoshi Shinjo was introduced as the new manager of the Nippon-Ham Fighters today.

He told reporters he wanted to be addressed as Big Boss. pic.twitter.com/iRmdPQLK84

— Michael Mayer (@mikemayer22) November 4, 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 November 2021 16:05 (four weeks ago) link

haha, i love it

just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:08 (four weeks ago) link

for non-gamers, that's a metal gear reference

just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:09 (four weeks ago) link

big boss is 6'3"
https://i.imgur.com/7ftrBeE.png

just staying (Karl Malone), Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:10 (four weeks ago) link

eduardo rodriguez to the tigers, five years/upper $70s M

mookieproof, Monday, 15 November 2021 15:34 (two weeks ago) link

are the tigers going for it next year? i felt their their run last season was pretty flukey.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 November 2021 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

rumor has it that they’re close on correa as well

mookieproof, Monday, 15 November 2021 15:55 (two weeks ago) link

they were awful in april, essentially .500 the rest of the way. seems reasonable that some good free agents could get them toward upper-80s wins

gonna have to cut miggy loose at some point tho

mookieproof, Monday, 15 November 2021 16:04 (two weeks ago) link

he's due!

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 November 2021 16:12 (two weeks ago) link

i just notice the hot stove is sponsored by "monkeyjizz"

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 November 2021 16:31 (two weeks ago) link

This thing doesn't pay for itself!

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 15 November 2021 19:25 (two weeks ago) link

Thor to LAA 1/21

I don't really get it...he's not gonna give you a ton of innings this year. Can't see him going deep into October if they get there. They got free of the Pujols contract and decided to replace it with this? Not sure they're gonna actually compete unless they blow past the luxury tax now

, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:22 (two weeks ago) link

esp with a pick attached to him... MLBTR had predicted he would take the QO since, i assume, his value is somewhere below the 18MM. dude has huge upside, but not worth that much when you consider the uncertainty and draft pick

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

no idea how to check this but there can’t be too many Qualified free agents to be offered a one-year deal — who gives up a top draft pick for so little?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 21:26 (two weeks ago) link

Tbf they only lose their second pick

, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 21:36 (two weeks ago) link

yankees designate clint frazier, rougned odor and tyler wade

rip

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:20 (one week ago) link

Clint has CTE and its pretty obvious

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:23 (one week ago) link

such flow, tho

mookieproof, Saturday, 20 November 2021 06:30 (one week ago) link

Had to google what happened to Frazier. Sounds p scary. Had no idea.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 20 November 2021 17:54 (one week ago) link

so that Franco contract is something else!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 19:37 (one week ago) link

whoooooooooooooa what a deal for the rays!!!!??

just staying (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 20:23 (one week ago) link

Seventy games into his Major League career, Rays shortstop Wander Franco has agreed to a precedent-setting 11-year, $182MM contract extension, according to multiple reports. The contract comes with a $25MM club option for an additional season and a series of $3MM escalators based on MVP voting that bring its maximum value up to $223MM over 12 years. He’s represented by agent Manny Paula.

i guess Acuna got 8 years, $100M (which also seems like a complete skill) before he hit 1 year of service time, so this is an improvement on that. but Franco is about as can't miss as it gets

just staying (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 20:24 (one week ago) link

fantastic deal for the rays because he will be very good trade bait if they need to refresh their farm anytime in the next several years

just staying (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 November 2021 20:25 (one week ago) link

matz to cardinals

Deal is pending physical. First: @JeffPassan. https://t.co/iAlXczzT4D

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 24, 2021

just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 05:49 (one week ago) link

seems like the impending lockout is speeding up the market this year compared to the slogs of last couple years

just staying (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 24 November 2021 05:49 (one week ago) link

Nothing to do with anything, and I totally understand, but the lengths a site like mlb.com has to go to with regards to content in the off-season always makes me laugh. Every day, there's a variation on this kind of piece:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-teams-reasons-to-be-thankful-2021

clemenza, Friday, 26 November 2021 02:13 (six days ago) link

Piece I'd actually like to read: "The One Guy on Each Team All His Teammates Secretly Hate."

clemenza, Friday, 26 November 2021 02:14 (six days ago) link

starling marte, mark canha and eduardo escobar all to the mets

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 November 2021 12:56 (five days ago) link

Matz really hurt him, didn’t he?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 27 November 2021 14:30 (five days ago) link

would seem to suggest that conforto is gone, and i could see them non-tendering dom smith (not that it would cost much to keep him)

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 November 2021 15:05 (five days ago) link

Dom Smith seemed to have figured it all out in 2020 only to forget it all in 2021. Still rooting for the guy though.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 27 November 2021 21:58 (five days ago) link

corey kluber to tampa

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 November 2021 16:06 (four days ago) link

didn't expect that.
next few days will likely be nutty as everyone tries to sign before the cba expires.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 28 November 2021 20:03 (four days ago) link

long-term deal from the Twins for Byron Buxton

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 28 November 2021 21:29 (four days ago) link

Marcus Semien is close to a deal with the Texas Rangers

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 28 November 2021 21:54 (four days ago) link

I assume they're offering mountains more than anyone else, because that seems like a terrible choice otherwise.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 November 2021 21:58 (four days ago) link

Yeah, if you look at the rest of the roster it is really hard to understand what the idea is there. They're years away.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 28 November 2021 22:07 (four days ago) link

175 mil for semien, 100 for buxton

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 28 November 2021 22:09 (four days ago) link

avisail garcia to the marlins

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Sunday, 28 November 2021 22:17 (four days ago) link

I'll be interested to hear what the Jays offered (if they did). He just opted out of a potential 100-win team for a team coming off 100 losses, and he didn't end up back home, either.

clemenza, Sunday, 28 November 2021 23:44 (four days ago) link

jays are probably better off saving that money to spend on vlad/bo/pitching, i would think

mookieproof, Monday, 29 November 2021 00:02 (three days ago) link

Ya. I see the jays offering a fair deal (like 4 years) and saying they understand if he goes for a larger deal elsewhere since they need to focus on pitching etc. I guess he wanted to play SS again too - so I was surprised to see the rangers weee still talking to story.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 29 November 2021 02:47 (three days ago) link

And also they just spent that money on pitching! Gausman for 5 years, 110m.
Bummed this likely means the end of Ray here tho.
I wonder if they jays liked Gausman overall better for the next 5 years or if they just like that contract better then what Ray will likely land. I know the jays had been high on Gausman for a while now.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 29 November 2021 02:49 (three days ago) link

ray has had a lot of ups and downs -- he was great this year and was great in 2017 -- but i'm not so sure he's a great long-term bet

anyway look at the jays having a plan and executing it imo

mookieproof, Monday, 29 November 2021 03:10 (three days ago) link

also the fact that they managed to snag semien and ray at their most economical moments speaks well to the jays' front office

mookieproof, Monday, 29 November 2021 03:16 (three days ago) link

Semien was a goddamned gift in every way last year.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 29 November 2021 04:06 (three days ago) link

I like Ray a lot better than Gausman but Ray is probably looking for a $200M deal and Gausman cost half that, so I get the logic. Berrios/Ryu/Gausman/Manoah is a more than solid rotation.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 29 November 2021 08:26 (three days ago) link

Max Scherzer and the Mets are finalizing $130M, 3-year deal. Minor details to go only.

— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) November 29, 2021

mookieproof, Monday, 29 November 2021 17:06 (three days ago) link

well all right then

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 29 November 2021 17:15 (three days ago) link

angry/upset Steve Cohen sure is something

Michael F Gill, Monday, 29 November 2021 17:34 (three days ago) link

Mets and Rangers spending a lot of money to miss the playoffs in 2022.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 29 November 2021 17:34 (three days ago) link

How many grand slams to relief pitchers will Scherzer give up this year, though.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 29 November 2021 17:39 (three days ago) link

damn! did not expect Scherzer to get $43M/year at 37 years old. then again, i guess he hasn't had a subpar season since like...2011?

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 29 November 2021 17:42 (three days ago) link

and even that was only subpar by his standards - i'll take a 3.70 FIP for most seasons

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 29 November 2021 17:43 (three days ago) link

I guess if Cohen wants to recreate the 1993 Mets, he's going to need his Bret Saberhagen to go with his Vince Coleman.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Monday, 29 November 2021 18:36 (three days ago) link

the pirates have countered by signing jerad eickhoff, who has a 6.48 ERA over the past four seasons

mookieproof, Monday, 29 November 2021 19:02 (three days ago) link

robbie ray to the mariners sounds like a done deal

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 29 November 2021 20:21 (three days ago) link

I keep watching all these pitchers I want the angels to sign go somewhere else

No way they couldn't have outbid Seattle there

Troutani is never making it to the playoffs

, Monday, 29 November 2021 20:24 (three days ago) link

BREAKING: Star shortstop Corey Seager and the Texas Rangers are in agreement on a 10-year, $325 million deal, sources familiar with the situation tell ESPN.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) November 29, 2021

wow

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 29 November 2021 21:38 (three days ago) link

Correa's getting a billion then

, Monday, 29 November 2021 21:41 (three days ago) link

By my calculations that means Seager will be the starting 3B for the Yanks in 2025.

hocus pocus, alakazam (PBKR), Monday, 29 November 2021 21:55 (three days ago) link

Am I reading this right--Seattle got Ray for 5y/115m? Five more million that the Jays are paying Gausman? That can't be right.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 00:33 (two days ago) link

By some measures, they were pretty similar last year:

https://www.fangraphs.com/warleaders.aspx?season=2021&team=all&type=2

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 00:41 (two days ago) link

I think the jays like Gaus better tbh. They also get the bonus of saving $5M, getting a comp pick for Ray and not having to give KG a NTC and opt-out.

To my eyes Ray is better and I’m surprised the M’s got him for that price.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:51 (two days ago) link

Also can’t believe what the Rangers are up to. Spending half a billion on two short stops?! And they still have no pitching plus John Grey. I don’t see them playing much better than .500 and as far as I’m aware they don’t have a huge prospect crop about to break through. The timing feels all sorts of off.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 01:54 (two days ago) link

Seager and Semien would be the best offensive option at pretty much any position they've got. Semien played great 2B this year.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:17 (two days ago) link

I’m wondering where they play who, because Semien said he’d wanted to play SS wherever he wound up.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:19 (two days ago) link

Seager's never played an inning of 2B in the majors or minors. I think there's more of a chance he plays 3B than 2B, but I guess we'll see. Sounds like they want Kiner-Falefa to play 3B which suggests to me that Seager stays at SS.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:31 (two days ago) link

Well I hope someone told Semien the plan before he signed!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:39 (two days ago) link

Their top hitting prospect Josh Jung is also a 3B/SS fwiw

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 02:58 (two days ago) link

So many of these moves seem weird, not just from the perspective of the teams but also the players, that it's probably the oldest story there is: pay me an extra dollar, and that's where I'm going.

I get that up to a point, but in the everyday world, don't most of us place great weight on where we'll be happiest--and if the money's comparable, that becomes the determinative factor? You would think that when you're dealing with sums of money exponentially (x exponentially) larger, that would be even more true--taking the lesser offer won't entail even minor adjustments to the way you live. But it's not.

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 03:53 (two days ago) link

who knows wtf TX is up to. this may work out moderately in the short-term but unless they have infinite money they seem to still be doomed

skull. kneel. kneel. kneel. kneel. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:09 (two days ago) link

weird and refreshing to see a bad team try to get better

fwiw eno sarris had an athletic story comparing ray/gausman/stroman that puts them all pretty close

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 04:17 (two days ago) link

The Tigers (who just signed Baez) were headed in the right direction last year, right?

clemenza, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 15:59 (two days ago) link

i feel like their hot streak last season was a bit of a fluke – but they are definitely heading in the right direction. Some of the young guys they have up, or coming up soon off the top of my head: Skubal, Mize, Baddoo and Torkelson. a decent enough young core to build around imho.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 16:11 (two days ago) link

Major League Baseball announced a retroactive 20-game suspension without pay for Braves outfielder Marcell Ozuna, as per the terms of the MLB – MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. Ozuna’s suspension was retroactively served during his time on Administrative Leave at the end of this past season; he’ll be eligible to return to the field starting in 2022. He will forfeit twenty games’ salary, as his previous Administrative Leave placement had been paid pending the results of the league’s investigation.

Ozuna was arrested on May 29 after police responded to a domestic disturbance at his residence. Court filings at the time indicated that the responding officers saw Ozuna place his hands around his wife’s neck, throw her against a wall and strike her with a cast that was on his left hand. (He had fractured two fingers in a game the week before and was on the injured list at the time).

Felony charges originally brought against Ozuna were dropped in early August, but prosecutors moved forward with a pair of misdemeanor charges. In early September, Ozuna agreed to enter into a three-to-six month domestic violence intervention program that could see those charges dropped if he completes all the required measures. The domestic violence policy allows the league to impose discipline even in the absence of criminal charges.

Ozuna signed a four-year, $65MM contract with the Braves last offseason. He remains under contract through 2024.

skull. kneel. kneel. kneel. kneel. (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 16:19 (two days ago) link

oh, i forgot Riley Greene!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 18:58 (two days ago) link

i can't believe that either side of the tigers/baez deal was able to sign the contract w/ a straight face. will he have an OBP over .300 in any season there? will they ever finish above .500?

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:09 (two days ago) link

you could have an hours long debate about which of the contracts signed so far will look the worst in 4 years. could legit offer up 5+ options and there's still several big contracts left to be signed

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:10 (two days ago) link

i don’t think it’s *that* bad. only goes through his age 34 season, he can still hit dingers, he’s good defensively. i don’t think $23m/year is too out of line for that, if you’re unwilling to pay a lot more for correa

otoh steamer has him at just 2 WAR in year one, so yeah maybe

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:24 (two days ago) link

The deal is too long and could blow up, but if they get 2018-19 Baez or Mets Baez then it looks pretty good. Their existing SS situation was pretty bad.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:39 (two days ago) link

these deals always more or less make sense when you do the WAR calculations and what not, the front offices and agents are all working off the same data. but obv we know most of these contracts go south way before the gradual WAR regression tables want us to believe, and these teams are only handing out whoppers this offseason. baez could be good for the tigers for a few years, he could also be horrible and useless with a contract further underwater than a shipwreck 12 months from now and nobody would be surprised. best of luck to both parties!

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:39 (two days ago) link

The Rangers hands down makes the least sense to me.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:41 (two days ago) link

yes i would agree w/ that

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:42 (two days ago) link

i can’t get too worked up about deals that don’t extend into the players’ late 30s

like, baez will be overpaid, and probably sooner than one might hope. but i don’t expect that playing him will actively make the team worse, as has happened with miggy and prince albert for years on end

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:01 (two days ago) link

baez def the kind of player who could be cooked at like age 31 (two years from now), which is what happens w/ a lot of these deals that have presumed downside baked into the players mid to late 30s except then it turns out the player is a pumpkin almost instantaneously after the ink dries. jordan zimmerman was a 5 win player at age 28, a 3 win player at age 29, and then tigers signed him for his "prime years" and he never put up more than 1.5 WAR and was a money pit the entire time.

i understand the argument for why baez could be good for the next several years, he's an athletic up the middle player etc. but you're also banking almost entirely on that athleticism holding up for at least half the deal so that he's still a plus defender and baserunner, and/or his hitting not regressing to way below what is acceptable from a full time player let alone one being paid $23m per year. maybe it all goes right and he's giving them a good 3 or 4 WAR per year until he's 32-33... but given the history of how these big free agent deals go i would bet against that.

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:13 (two days ago) link

um

Major League Baseball secretly used 2 different types of baseballs last season

(i was able to get around the paywall by adding to pocket)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:14 (two days ago) link

somehow when you sign a big free agent contract you immediately become half as good as you were for your previous team, somebody should look into this and see what the deal is

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:15 (two days ago) link

btw roberto perez just became the pirates’ highest-paid player (1 yr/$5m)

he is a career .206 hitter heading into his age-33 season

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 20:31 (two days ago) link

^^^which is another reason i can't complain about these signings. because i'm bitter

javy baez is a fun, exciting player. he will, when he's not actively berating his own fans, make detroit a more interesting team to watch. will he lead them to a championship? probably not; they only give out one a year.

the pirates aren't just cheap and stupid, they don't even care about being vaguely competitive. the biggest contract they've ever given out was six years/$60m to jason kendall 21 years ago. there are no reasons to watch a pirates game.

the blue jays didn't make the playoffs this year but i don't think any of their fans would call the season a disappointment? the rangers just became much more interesting, even if they never win a pennant. i think there's a lot of value in that for fans

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 November 2021 21:07 (two days ago) link

i just watched the Kevin Gausman press conference. reading between the lines it seems like the Giants would not give him more than four years and i'm ok with that even though the Giants are losing an ace. Gausman only has two pitches and it did catch up to him in the second half of last year. all these NL West teams did was lay off of his spiller and then he had to adjust. he was not the same guy as they started to figure him out but still would have liked to have him back. he found a better deal and as a fan i can live with that.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 1 December 2021 23:58 (yesterday) link


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