2021 World Series Atlanta Braves vs. Houston Astros

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Poll will close right before first pitch:

Game 1: Braves at Astros, Tuesday, Oct. 26, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 2: Braves at Astros, Wednesday, Oct. 27, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 3: Astros at Braves, Friday, Oct. 29, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 4: Astros at Braves, Saturday, Oct. 30, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 5 (if necessary): Astros at Braves, Sunday, Oct. 31, 8:15 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 6 (if necessary): Braves at Astros, Tuesday, Nov. 2, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Game 7 (if necessary): Braves at Astros, Wednesday, Nov. 3, 8:09 p.m. ET (FOX)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Astros in 6 5
Astros in 5 4
Braves in 6 3
Braves in 4 1
Braves in 7 1
Astros in 4 1
Braves in 5 0
Astros in 7 0


Bee OK, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:12 (one year ago) link

i'm back as i had to sit out last round

Bee OK, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:13 (one year ago) link

Fuck the Astros

calstars, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:13 (one year ago) link

These are two national league teams

calstars, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:13 (one year ago) link

Astros in 6, as i'm 100% for Dusty Baker this year

Bee OK, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:14 (one year ago) link

Somehow I’m going to have to bring myself to root for fucking Atlanta ???

calstars, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:15 (one year ago) link

oddly i want to see dusty win a chip also now, if its gotta be w/ houston so be it

johnny crunch, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:32 (one year ago) link

Same: Houston for Dusty Baker. 1993, 2002, 2003, 2016, 2017--he's had some miserable luck, whether of his own making or otherwise. But he deserves to be a HOF manager, and this would seal it.

clemenza, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:38 (one year ago) link

i was going to make just a Dusty Baker option but decided to stay professional

Bee OK, Monday, 25 October 2021 03:10 (one year ago) link

Even S a fan I can’t bring myself to believe the barves are taking this. Stros in 5.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 25 October 2021 04:33 (one year ago) link

Even as fan I can’t bring myself to believe the barves are taking this. Stros in 5.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 25 October 2021 04:33 (one year ago) link

no to both of these teams, the world series of 2021 has been cancelled

rooting for america's team (astros)

, Monday, 25 October 2021 05:33 (one year ago) link

These Braves are reminding me of the 2010 Giants, another team that was middling around .500 for a lot of the season, made some sneaky good trade acquisitions, all of whom got red hot in time for the playoffs.

The Astros are better on paper but the Braves are a legit threat right now.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 25 October 2021 10:38 (one year ago) link

Astros are eviler – so them probably.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 October 2021 13:00 (one year ago) link

That big dude for the Astros Valdez does get some crazy movement on his pitches. I had not seen him pitch until this playoffs, but his stuff is pretty wild and he has such a funky Johnny Cueto/El Duque delivery meets Big Sexy - he is pretty entertaining to watch.

One of the talking heads on ESPN said that the 'Stros management was kinda sneaky in hiring Baker because they are there now and there is a general 'feel good' about him perhaps finally winning it all.

NY Times had a good article on Ron Washington coaching 3rd for the Bravos. Dude hits fungos like a mad man every day, my shoulders hurt just from the description of the work he does every day with their infielders.

earlnash, Monday, 25 October 2021 13:03 (one year ago) link

The Braves and Astros used to be in the same division, the NL West, and now they're facing each other in the series. Has that happened before?

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 25 October 2021 16:33 (one year ago) link

I was thinking about that last night. I don't think it has, but I always wait for the more dedicated ILBers to check for me.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 25 October 2021 16:47 (one year ago) link

Hate this world series but after much discussion with my son we've decided to grudgingly go for the Astros

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 16:56 (one year ago) link

The Braves and Astros used to be in the same division, the NL West, and now they're facing each other in the series. Has that happened before?

― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, October 25, 2021 11:33 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The tragedy is we could have had the same thing this year but with a Brewers / Blue Jays World Series, which would have been 100x more enjoyable than what we're getting.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 October 2021 16:57 (one year ago) link

the seahawks and broncos, who met in super bowl XLVIII, used to play together in the AFC west

(sorry morbs, sorry everyone)

mookieproof, Monday, 25 October 2021 19:12 (one year ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 00:01 (one year ago) link

i'm going to try the app to watch in 4K or 1080p upscaled

Bee OK, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 21:25 (one year ago) link

so we're really doing this huh

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 23:30 (one year ago) link

racists buy things too

More Manfred on the Braves name: "We don’t market our game on a nationwide basis. Ours is an everyday game. You’ve gotta sell tickets every single day to the fans in that market. And there are all sorts of differences between the regions in terms of how the teams are marketed.”

— Chelsea Janes (@chelsea_janes) October 26, 2021

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 23:39 (one year ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 00:01 (one year ago) link

RIP Stros

Andy K, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 00:17 (one year ago) link

What a start

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 00:18 (one year ago) link

Good results

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 00:18 (one year ago) link

they are playing Phish

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 00:24 (one year ago) link

Is Valdez tipping his pitches?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:12 (one year ago) link

Bang on the drum all day

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:15 (one year ago) link

Can't believe Soler's HR was the absolute first to lead off a World Series (meaning the top of the 1st).

https://www.mlb.com/news/jorge-soler-leadoff-home-run-world-series-game-1

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:28 (one year ago) link

if i had just read that in a tweet, i would not have believed it.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:40 (one year ago) link

third time neither game 1 starter has gotten through three

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 01:46 (one year ago) link

damnit Swanson why didn't you ever do that against Milwaukee

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:10 (one year ago) link

Wow,at the Morton news

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:19 (one year ago) link

Morton out remainder of WS from that comebacker

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:20 (one year ago) link

whoa, that really sucks for him

surprised that error on the would-be double play didn't cost Atlanta more. typically that's something that turns a game around

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:23 (one year ago) link

You want to talk about tough: Charlie Morton struck out Chas McCormick, got Martin Maldonado to line out and struck out Jose Altuve pitching on a broken leg.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) October 27, 2021

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:27 (one year ago) link

how the hell is that possible

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 02:33 (one year ago) link

Is a fracture the same as broken?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:11 (one year ago) link

yes

aegis philbin (crüt), Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:39 (one year ago) link

Well that was a goofy infield hit

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:43 (one year ago) link

How can they not get him out ar home?

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:49 (one year ago) link

Weak arm, horrible throw

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:50 (one year ago) link

Lol that would’ve been out in nearly every other park

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 03:59 (one year ago) link

Rosario is an amazing player, what the hell are the Garidians thinking letting him go

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 04:04 (one year ago) link

*Guardians

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 October 2021 04:07 (one year ago) link

Morbs isn’t here to police our fantasy league chatter now

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:16 (one year ago) link

I'd be very happy if the Atlanta manager leaves Fried (52 pitches) in for a bit, at least until one or two baserunners get on, instead of pulling him for the sake of pulling him. Just as an experiment.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:17 (one year ago) link

If he doesn't get his Maddux, I'm gonna throw furniture.

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:17 (one year ago) link

we should all be happy he'll qualify for the win

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:18 (one year ago) link

Apparently Brantley would've been safe on appeal at first anyway?

This, from a former minor league umpire, explains why Atlanta didn't challenge. Just because Michael Brantley missed the bag and Max Fried tagged it does not mean there's an out. The fielding team needs to appeal.

Baseball rules sometimes don't make sense. https://t.co/ZnCv7XKQ8U

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) November 3, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:19 (one year ago) link

intersting

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:21 (one year ago) link

Honestly, as of today, who remembers Alex Bregman?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:24 (one year ago) link

Close--glad he didn't exit on a strikeout.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:31 (one year ago) link

hell yeah Freeman

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:42 (one year ago) link

the cutting to sole barves fans in the stands tomahawk chopping is fucking disgusting.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:44 (one year ago) link

agree

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:50 (one year ago) link

Yeah the Chop has prevented me for fully enjoying those WS.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 02:55 (one year ago) link

it just feels like there’s a deliberate doubling down on their racist associations for the national stage

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:01 (one year ago) link

ATL bullpen for MVP, give 'em all Corvettes.

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:07 (one year ago) link

d'Arnaud or Soler?

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:11 (one year ago) link

could make a case for Freeman - played every game , higher BA, etc.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:15 (one year ago) link

If it's got to be one person, my vote goes to Matzek.

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:18 (one year ago) link

Thought about Freeman too--really recovered after that horrendous start.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:20 (one year ago) link

I didn’t realise the only other championship won in Atlanta was actually the Braves back in 1995.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:21 (one year ago) link

I mean, we call them the Barves for a reason

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:23 (one year ago) link

No but I mean the Hawks and Falcons are evem worse!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:24 (one year ago) link

I’m just sad Acuna couldn’t be part of this.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:25 (one year ago) link

I don’t know if Atlanta makes it this far w/o the Acuna injury, actually.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:29 (one year ago) link

OTM

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:30 (one year ago) link

Why is that? Because Rosario and Soler played instead?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:32 (one year ago) link

yeah ocuna salavaged their garbage first half- no way the win this all without him

BARVES!!!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:35 (one year ago) link

Congrats Braves fans! Enjoy it!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:35 (one year ago) link

Hat-tip to Swanson to considering making the final out at second but choosing to go to Freeman.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:36 (one year ago) link

Trevor Plouffe called it back in the spring!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 03:37 (one year ago) link

Very much enjoying this Braves radio postgame, where they have one of their guys in the dugout doing live on the spot interviews as players and coaches and trophies walk by.

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 04:13 (one year ago) link

Congrats Braves! They were the best team in the postseason no question, they outplayed all three of their opponents and it wasn't particularly close. Freeman deserved a championship -- it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:15 (one year ago) link

All of Soler’s home runs gave the Braves a lead, putting him on a list of only six players who have hit at least three go-ahead home runs in a World Series. The others are Babe Ruth (1926), Lou Gehrig (1928), Gene Tenace (1972), Curtis Granderson (2015) and George Springer in 2017 for the Astros.

Pretty solid list above and beyond the first two guys.

https://www.mlb.com/news/jorge-soler-wins-2021-world-series-mvp

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:48 (one year ago) link

I guess that's kind of tautological--the list of players who've hit three HR period in a WS is probably made up exclusively of good players.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 10:54 (one year ago) link

fun stat: the Milwaukee Brewers have made the playoffs 8 times. all 8 times the team that beat them made the World Series. 6 of them won.

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 12:56 (one year ago) link

don't mind that atlanta won, good run they went on

among the ppl i heard dansby credit in his on field interview were god and the braves analytics staff

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 13:49 (one year ago) link

xp yet another moral victory for the Crew

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:35 (one year ago) link

so what do we do now for five months?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 14:55 (one year ago) link

I think Freeman has edged ahead of his statistical twin Paul Goldschmidt for the HOF.

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 15:55 (one year ago) link

xp -- get caught up on a LOT of movies.

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 16:59 (one year ago) link

i actually got curious about something kind of dumb – but have spent the last couple weeks setting up a custom league in OOTP, with each team's roster being every team's all-time greats. I want to see how many times out of 100 (or so), the Yankees dominate the AL, whether the Giants or Dodger turn out more successful and if middle of the road teams like the Jays or Brewers can pull off any first place finishes. I'm about 80% done constructing the lineups.

also i had that same thought last night about Freeman! when setting up rosters for this dumb league I realized Freeman might be the best 1B the Braves have had for any extended period.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2021 17:31 (one year ago) link

Checked an all-time Braves team, and it looks like Freeman for sure; only competition is Fred McGriff for a much shorter time frame.

Big surprise--Freeman and Goldschmidt's postseason stats aren't all that dissimilar! Goldschmidt looks even better, but only half the PA and no titles:

Freeman -- .290/.393/.525, 9 HR (183 PA)
Goldschmidt -- .282/.351/.624, 8 HR (94 PA)

Both with Excel Sports Management...Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

clemenza, Wednesday, 3 November 2021 20:10 (one year ago) link

All sorts of Braves-related oddities from Jayson Stark today, including:

• How many teams have started all three outfielders in the game they won the World Series who were literally playing for some other team halfway through that season — or at any point during that season? Who out there guessed none? Good guess!

• And in a related development, how many teams have ever won a World Series in which not a single one of their Opening Day outfielders played in any game of that World Series? That would also be none.

clemenza, Thursday, 4 November 2021 01:11 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

I think Freeman has edged ahead of his statistical twin Paul Goldschmidt for the HOF.
― clemenza, Wednesday, November 3, 2021 11:55 AM

Even with Freeman having a solid year, and quite possibly headed to another WS, Goldschmidt has reasserted his edge: frontrunner for MVP, leading all three slash categories at the moment (plus runs and hits), not making news with agent problems. These two guys are something else.

clemenza, Monday, 11 July 2022 15:18 (four months ago) link

goldy looks promising

JAWS
First Base (23rd):
55.5 career WAR | 42.3 7yr-peak WAR | 48.9 JAWS | 5.8 WAR/162
Average HOF 1B (out of 23):
65.5 career WAR | 42.1 7yr-peak WAR | 53.8 JAWS | 4.9 WAR/162

mookieproof, Monday, 11 July 2022 16:17 (four months ago) link

Honestly I think stories like freeman’s agent problems, might actually help goldschmidt. Anything to get his name out there would help.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 July 2022 20:22 (four months ago) link

Goldschmidt remains the most anonymous future HOFer I can remember. No idea what he even looks like

, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:49 (four months ago) link

I think if he played on my team I still wouldn't remember what he looks like

, Monday, 11 July 2022 20:49 (four months ago) link

Honestly I think stories like freeman’s agent problems, might actually help goldschmidt. Anything to get his name out there would help.

I literally just finished rewatching the Sopranos episode where the struggling rapper hires Bobby Bacala to shoot him ("somewhere fleshy") under the same rationale!

clemenza, Monday, 11 July 2022 21:04 (four months ago) link

Hahahaa!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 July 2022 21:33 (four months ago) link

goldschmidt a 49th-round pick out of high school and eighth-round pick out of texas state

bless

mookieproof, Monday, 11 July 2022 22:21 (four months ago) link


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