NLCS: Barves v Dodgers

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game 1 in Atl; Sat, Oct 16
game 2 in Atl; Sun, Oct 17
game 3 in LA; Tue, Oct 19
game 4 in LA; Wed, Oct 20
game 5 in LA; Thu, Oct 21
game 6 in Atl; Sat, Oct 23
game 7 in LA; Sun, Oct 24

who wins? you must decide!

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Dodgers in 5 4
Barves in 6 3
Barves in 7 1
Dodgers in 6 1
Barves in 4 0
Barves in 5 0
Dodgers in 4 0
Dodgers in 7 0


FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 October 2021 18:17 (one month ago) link

on the season LA went 4-2 v the Barves, outscoring them 27-23.

I think LA will take this in 5.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 October 2021 18:25 (one month ago) link

If Acuna were playing, maybe, but I'd be shocked if the Dodgers lost.

clemenza, Friday, 15 October 2021 18:26 (one month ago) link

feel like seeding for the division series and beyond should be done by record alone and not wild-card status.

the dodgers were punished for not winning their division by having to play a winner-take-all game, but after that we should be getting the (opportunity) for the best teams to meet in later, longer series. as the best team in baseball, the giants were also punished by this rule -- they should have had a much easier first-round opponent. (if you want to be sassy, you could even have the top seeds choose their opponents.)

and there's really no reason atlanta should have home-field advantage vs a team 18 games better than it.

mookieproof, Friday, 15 October 2021 18:44 (one month ago) link

it really really blows that this is likely the last year ever where i'll be able to take the playoffs seriously or put weight in who wins it. it's just not gonna be the same when a bunch of 78 win teams are going to get the chance to kill a 100 win team in a best of 3 series. it's gonna be a joke. but it REALLY sucks that these are the 4 teams we're left with at the end of the era. i don't want any of these to be the team that wins the last world series before manfred joke times begins. what a waste.

that said, you kinda gotta root for a 2017 rematch right? that's the best story. we're in pro wrestling territory now.

, Friday, 15 October 2021 20:39 (one month ago) link

Every barves fan knows that now is their time to choke.

Tbh I had them left for dead as soon as Acuna went down so the fact that they’re even here is pretty impressive and has me slightly pulling for them to upset the dodgers, awful team name be damned.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 15 October 2021 21:14 (one month ago) link

what is this about manfred turning the mlb playoffs into the squid game?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 October 2021 23:01 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 16 October 2021 00:01 (one month ago) link

The Dodgers should crush the Braves but last year this series went seven so who knows? On paper I have to go with Dodgers in five.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 16 October 2021 03:22 (one month ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB1rsKAWUAcxUBz?format=png&name=small

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 18:09 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 17 October 2021 00:01 (one month ago) link

They really still do this bullshit chant? Fuck these people!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 17 October 2021 00:14 (one month ago) link

Ya… I find myself rooting for this team on paper. But as soon as I tune into a home game I want them to lose with the fiery intensity of 1,000 suns.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 October 2021 00:28 (one month ago) link

Roberto Alomar tried to kill it off in 1992.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-zOQ7qeQF5Do/UODu8k-fUUI/AAAAAAAAFgI/eb19Q_Z10sI/s1600/Alomar-Chop.gif

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:19 (one month ago) link

Kelly Gruber too!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceCbhpm5YLM

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:21 (one month ago) link

not really

mookieproof, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:27 (one month ago) link

Well, they were definitely ridiculing it, unless you think they're expressing their admiration.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:29 (one month ago) link

they were just teasing their opponents and their fans, not trying to kill it off

i mean if braves fans instead did a nazi salute, kelly gruber doing it back at them just because his team won isn't actually cool

mookieproof, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:44 (one month ago) link

The "killing it off" was a throwaway comment you're taking far too literally. I mean, Jesus, it's 1992: you're looking for them to refuse to take the field or something?

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 01:52 (one month ago) link

lol i just tried to email you but i'm not sure if my own ilx mail is working let along yours

anyway, sorry, i am not at all trying to attack you

mookieproof, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:04 (one month ago) link

Got the message, it's working.

No problem--I've got my buttons like everyone else, and I'm just grappling with the whole then-vs.-now issue (my clunky translation of the dreaded cliche in circulation). Ridiculing something can be a first step in taking something down and getting rid of it, but yeah, Alomar and Gruber are just happy wiseguys who won a baseball game. Still find it it very refreshing.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:10 (one month ago) link

I hear there's a baseball game going on.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:12 (one month ago) link

<3

mookieproof, Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:12 (one month ago) link

Oof.

Andy K, Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:13 (one month ago) link

walk them off

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:14 (one month ago) link

Did the Dodgers really have no choice in having a bullpen day to start the series?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 October 2021 03:55 (one month ago) link

idk, but feel like if they can win one of the first two they go home for 3, so they weren't putting all their cards on winning game one? keeping in mind, Walker, Max, and Julio each sort of needed another day to be fairly rested

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 17 October 2021 04:08 (one month ago) link

and they came close to pulling it off!

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 17 October 2021 04:10 (one month ago) link

Did the Dodgers really have no choice in having a bullpen day to start the series?

There wasn't much choice. Kershaw's injury leaves them with only three real starters. Urias and Scherzer pitched in G5 of the NLDS and Buehler in G4. Their only choices were starting Gonsolin and praying, Buehler on short rest again, or a bullpen game.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 17 October 2021 08:18 (one month ago) link

I have a dumb, do-you-even-pay-attention-anymore? question: is David Price not an option? I'm not even sure if he's on the roster--he was for the Giants series. He pitched sort of okay this year and could conceivably throw four or five good innings.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 13:50 (one month ago) link

I suppose he'd essentially amount to a bullpen day anyway.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 13:51 (one month ago) link

Not on the roster--that answers that.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/dodgers-remove-david-price-billy-mckinney-for-nlcs.html

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 14:56 (one month ago) link

He was ok this year but only started 1/3 of the games he was in. Maybe someone who follows the team closer could speak to how effective he was - but I feel like if they knew they were going to have a bullpen day for their first game they’d want someone who could throw more innings on the roster.
Tho I guess there was Gonsolin who did better over the season and threw 1.2 yesterday.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:21 (one month ago) link

Looking at his splits, he was more effective as a starter--ERA under 4.00, WHIP and K/BB much better--but he still averaged under 4 inning per start, so I guess he wasn't a great option.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=priceda01&year=2021&t=p#sprel_extra

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 16:37 (one month ago) link

there’s a guy whose career has really petered out

it’s kind of too bad — he’s still league-average. on a different team he’d probably still get the opportunity to play, but then getting paid $32m to pitch 75 innings is also a nice spot to be in

mookieproof, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:03 (one month ago) link

I'd either forgotten or never knew he was part of the Mookie Betts trade...If only he'd built on his 2018--good year, great WS (I would have given him MVP)--he would have been back on track for the HOF, but he took a step back in 2019, sat out 2020, and now he's in the wilderness, likely never to return.

(The Red Sox got Verdugo in that trade: between Verdugo, Kiké Hernández, and Joc Pederson, it feels like the Dodgers vs. the ex-Dodgers right now.)

clemenza, Sunday, 17 October 2021 21:59 (one month ago) link

Now that's a home run.

clemenza, Monday, 18 October 2021 01:04 (one month ago) link

can't watch a game at gentrification park without having the stupid racist chant in my head all night, wretched franchise

, Monday, 18 October 2021 02:25 (one month ago) link

Barves

frogbs, Monday, 18 October 2021 02:34 (one month ago) link

Barves?

frogbs, Monday, 18 October 2021 03:06 (one month ago) link

Barves

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 18 October 2021 03:08 (one month ago) link

Barves!

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Monday, 18 October 2021 03:36 (one month ago) link

Barves

Michael F Gill, Monday, 18 October 2021 03:36 (one month ago) link

I chose to watch Dune instead - but that looked like a hell of an ending.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 October 2021 03:45 (one month ago) link

this is kinda the opposite of the regular season where the barves were losing it in the late innings.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 18 October 2021 05:41 (one month ago) link

538 still has the Braves (32%) and Dodgers (27%) pretty close to win the WS, though the Braves much higher to make the WS.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/?ex_cid=rrpromo

clemenza, Monday, 18 October 2021 17:21 (one month ago) link

it is weird that the dodgers, who are 2 games away from elimination are at 27%, while the Sox, who are tied in their series are at 18%. i get that on paper they look like a better team, but this is baseball where anything can happen over 7-10 games and the dodgers are a full game closer to being eliminated... they're not *that* much better imho.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 October 2021 20:17 (one month ago) link

sportsbook odds are similar, so its necessarily a quirk in 538's algorithm. its weird to me b/c the Sox were in a really tough division

frogbs, Monday, 18 October 2021 21:05 (one month ago) link

Maybe it’s a betting thirst trap.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 October 2021 21:25 (one month ago) link

Credit to Snitker for not pulling Morton too quickly after that 1st inning.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:52 (one month ago) link

start Bauer in game 4 imo

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 22:54 (one month ago) link

We got a ballgame

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:01 (one month ago) link

MOOKIE

Andy K, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:04 (one month ago) link

whoa apparently it's possible to win a game without using one of your 3 starters in relief

, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:30 (one month ago) link

This series has been fantastic and I should probably watch one of these games!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 03:15 (one month ago) link

I don't know what kind of magic potion Bellinger took to become awesome again in time for the playoffs. I think that was the third game this postseason where he almost singlehandedly bailed out his team.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 09:29 (one month ago) link

Atlanta going up 2-0 and getting people exited is when it all starts to go wrong. I kept thinking last night of that World Series against Torre's Yanks when they crushed them in the first two games and then it went wrong.

Kind of a waste of some really good at bats early in the game building up that lead.

earlnash, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 09:30 (one month ago) link

Today I learned Jesse Chavez is still pitching.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2021 00:25 (one month ago) link

I believe urias to be broken

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 21 October 2021 01:04 (one month ago) link

After yesterday, I thought the Dodgers had righted themselves and the Red Sox would come back.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 October 2021 01:07 (one month ago) link

It's blowing my mind that Urias is still out there.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Thursday, 21 October 2021 01:37 (one month ago) link

refuse to use the term 'deep dive' but playoff pitcher usage has become completely insane and i want to see a

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FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 October 2021 02:23 (one month ago) link

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Michael F Gill, Thursday, 21 October 2021 02:49 (one month ago) link

MOOKIE P: IS MOOKIE B'S ETERNAL LEGACY ON THE LINE IN GAME 5?

MAX K: Are you literally condemning him to Hell if the Dodgers lose?

MOOKIE P: NOT NECESSARILY. BUT!

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 October 2021 03:23 (one month ago) link

Good win, very good innings from Smyly. I hope Ynoa's shoulder injury isn't from another bad sparring partner choice.

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Thursday, 21 October 2021 03:39 (one month ago) link

Why does Joe Kelly look out of whack?

Andy K, Friday, 22 October 2021 00:25 (one month ago) link

Don't really care who moves on to the WS, but I was really rooting for that fourth HR.

clemenza, Friday, 22 October 2021 03:45 (one month ago) link

Quite the score they ran up. reminds me of the Jays tho… underperform for several games, then an explosion of runs for one or two games max, and then back choking.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 October 2021 12:25 (one month ago) link

didn't the Braves go up 3-1 vs. the Dodgers last year and blow it? this must be torture for them

frogbs, Friday, 22 October 2021 13:46 (one month ago) link

The 3-HR list for postseason games:

1. HOF'ers: Ruth (twice), Reggie
2. Will be in the HOF: Pujols, Beltre
3. Probably would have been in the HOF...: Altuve
4. More or less good players: Taylor, Kiké Hernandez, Sandoval, Adam Kennedy
5. Two really good seasons, not much career-wise: Bob Robertson

clemenza, Friday, 22 October 2021 14:05 (one month ago) link

Nothing to do with Joe Kelly, but I'm glad David Price has been reactivated. (I always root for Price because of his stint in Toronto--textbook for rent-a-players on how to comport yourself, even if he did vacate, as everyone knew he would. Probably helped that Tulowitzki arrived simultaneously, providing the textbook-from-hell for contrast.)

clemenza, Friday, 22 October 2021 22:20 (one month ago) link

I feel like he got some pretty shabby treatment in Boston aswell.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:43 (one month ago) link

i recall him being a dick in boston vis-a-vis eckersley

eckersley is hardly ego-free and maybe price was trying to protect his team but it didn't come across all that well (in the media, which would of course be anti-price, so . . . who knows)

mookieproof, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:57 (one month ago) link

https://www.mlb.com/news/max-scherzer-not-starting-nlcs-game-6

Bee OK, Saturday, 23 October 2021 03:22 (one month ago) link

This is murky, but I don't see Price as having done anything especially terrible--he was defending a teammate.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/details-emerge-david-price-dennis-eckersley-feud/

Mind you, I've been anti-Eckersley for so long--probably the best player I've ever disliked--you'd pretty much have to harm his family dog for me to take his side on anything.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 October 2021 05:02 (one month ago) link

i remember that. i got it, but eck has a job to do just like price. he’s supposed to call it like he sees it. and nesn soft-pedals the shit out of everything. they’re the red sox pravda. maybe that’s why price felt betrayed? “hey the same person signs our checks!”

price should hear what they say on weei

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 23 October 2021 08:57 (one month ago) link

Will have to see the replay; that looked way outside.

clemenza, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:36 (one month ago) link

despite having the lead, feels like Luke Jackson just coughed up their WS chances.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:48 (one month ago) link

lol the Barves brought out Travis Tritt to do the anthem fuck 'em Dodgers all the way baby

frogbs, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:49 (one month ago) link

god everyone looks so fucking uncomfortable right now. I love this moment

frogbs, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:51 (one month ago) link

wow, hell of a job by Matzek. might've helped the Dodgers to swing at one of those pitches

frogbs, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:57 (one month ago) link

OH MY GOD matzek murdered betts

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:57 (one month ago) link

Awesome strikeout of Betts (Pujols, on the other hand, just looked terrible).

clemenza, Sunday, 24 October 2021 02:58 (one month ago) link

ya did not think he was gonna go right after him like that

frogbs, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:00 (one month ago) link

Pitching plan for the rest of the game:

5th - Minter
6th - Matzek
7th - Matzek
8th - Matzek
9th - Martin if up by at least 15 runs, otherwise Matzek

— Troll (@CapitolAvenue) October 24, 2021

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:19 (one month ago) link

am I wrong or is the home plate ump’s strike zone absolute garbage all around?

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:36 (one month ago) link

hat tip for using “atliens” to return from the commercial break

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:40 (one month ago) link

garbage franchise and i hope they lose in 4 but happy for matzek and his comeback story

, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:46 (one month ago) link

happy happy joy joy

Bee OK, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:46 (one month ago) link

legit appalled they’re wearing the tomahawk jersey at this point

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 24 October 2021 03:47 (one month ago) link

"No World Series team in the history of baseball had ever gone as many games into a season without ever having a winning record as this team went. And it’s not even close."

https://theathletic.com/2909386/2021/10/24/theres-never-been-a-world-series-team-quite-like-these-braves-jayson-starks-weird-and-wild/

It wasn't till their 111th game that the Braves went above .500. (I immediately checked the '73 Mets--they started out 4-0.)

clemenza, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:03 (one month ago) link

Rosario ended up hitting .560/.607/1.040 for the series. Don’t think anyone saw that coming.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:39 (one month ago) link

this fuckin guy

Sweet revenge: MLB took the All-Star Game out of Georgia but the World Series is still coming South with Atlanta celebrating its first trip to the Fall Classic since 1999. https://t.co/h12BJi3PZZ

— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) October 24, 2021

mookieproof, Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:12 (one month ago) link

Travis Tritt was also posturing about it all too I saw. F'n lame.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 October 2021 23:45 (one month ago) link

538/Nate Silver has the Series 50-50. I'd say that's about right, although I'd give a slight edge to the Astros because of home field--52/48, say.

clemenza, Monday, 25 October 2021 01:05 (one month ago) link

go braves

aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, 25 October 2021 01:11 (one month ago) link

No World Series thread???

calstars, Monday, 25 October 2021 02:12 (one month ago) link


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