NL Wild Card: St. Louis Cardinals vs Los Angeles Dodgers

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STL: A Wainwright vs LAD: M Scherzer

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Dodgers 11
Cardinals 4


Bee OK, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:37 (two weeks ago) link

Go Cardinals

Bee OK, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:38 (two weeks ago) link

can never remember whether we're to vote who we *want* to win or who we *expect* to win

i'm sure that waino, whom i esteem highly, will be wicked fired up by my suggestion that he might lose

at any rate i love to see the two best MLB uniforms in action at once; too bad it's only for one game

mookieproof, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:48 (two weeks ago) link

I think we vote the way we’d bet.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 4 October 2021 03:31 (two weeks ago) link

Really looking forward to this game. Plenty of star power on both teams and has the potential to be one of the better postseason pitching matchups in recent years.

I expect the Dodgers to win somehow, even though Scherzer has been in a bit of a slump lately.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 4 October 2021 11:23 (two weeks ago) link

i am not a fan of the big-market, big-money teams overall but i cannot in good conscience give the cardinals any support so go dodgers

na (NA), Monday, 4 October 2021 13:59 (two weeks ago) link

Ugh, it would be so Cardinals for a mediocre Cards team to get hot late and go deep in the playoffs, I don't even really like the Dodgers but go Dodgers (and I actually do think they'll win)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 October 2021 14:55 (two weeks ago) link

i am rooting for the cardinals

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:32 (two weeks ago) link

i really think the cardinals will win.

you guys are going to haaaaaate the yadier molina retirement tour next year too :)

i mean, i am too, in the middle of it, although when it finally reaches the end i will be there for it

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 16:33 (two weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/2bm0cAz.png

come on, you know want some magic on october

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

I don't really get those playoff odds -- this seems to suggest they think the winner of the AL wildcard game is twice as likely to win the World Series as the Rays?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

i think they f'd up?

i'm also confused by the dodgers/giants. the dodgers have to play a 1-off WC game, which immediately puts a dent in their world series odds, yet they come out waaaaaaay ahead of the giants, who are ranked similarly by "team quality"

welp, it seems i have posted a rather large image chart with numbers on it which may be a total lie :-/

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

yeah the comments on that post are universally "wait WHAT?"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

i put one in for you! (i'm "weinventyou" on there)

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 17:59 (two weeks ago) link

damn, i didn't watch any games this weekend but i missed this:

In the midst of the exciting games with all sorts of playoff implications, it was a jarring moment when Kershaw came out of Friday night’s start against Milwaukee with what is being described as forearm discomfort. Based on both his and Dave Roberts’ post-game comments, whatever is going on with one of the best left arms in the history of the game is not good, and his 2021 season is likely over. As far as his Dodgers career, that’s still to be determined; his contract expires after the final out of the World Series

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Monday, 4 October 2021 18:06 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 00:01 (two weeks ago) link

i predict a dominant cardinals victory, both in this thread and the game itself. chances of me being right are over 75% right now

typo hell #10: i didn't think any of them really off badly (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 00:04 (two weeks ago) link

alright cardinals nation, who is ready to watch the moral crusader cardinals defeat the evil wealthy team tonight?!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 18:20 (two weeks ago) link

Not following baseball much this season, I looked at the Giants stats and I have to wonder how that group of mismatched parts won 107 games. Looks like they had a heck of a year out of their bullpen but that roster is made up of some oddballs all having career seasons.

What the heck medical/eldrich science got that power out of Brandon Belt and Brandon Crawford? They find a stash on Ebay left over from Steve Finley or Luis Gonzales? That is some unexpected late power surge by those two.

earlnash, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 18:43 (two weeks ago) link

For someone who has watched just about every Giants game this year. Short answer is the coaching staff, the Giants have the biggest coaching staff of any Major League Team. Posey taking off 2000 is what his body needed. They moved the fences in... They're having a magical season.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

As a jays fans I’m as jealous as I am baffled. Jays have a Cy Young, MVP runner up, second baseman setting a record in home runs, pitcher who will probably be 5th or so in ROY voting and two consecutive years with big name FA signings and all they could manage was 4th place.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:22 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, whenever i look at the leaderboards it's crazy to see so many jays near the top! vlad and semien alone is great, but also bichette, but also hernandez, but also george springer?! more than half of their line-up should be all-stars!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

oh wait, now i see why. randal grichuk.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

He was actually amazing while Springer was out. didn’t see a lot of playing time once Springer and Guirriel were back (and they also traded for Dickerson)

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 20:42 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe this won't mean a thing, but it looms over this wild card matchup, especially since Cards starter Adam Wainwright still has one of the best curveballs in the game: the Dodgers this year were 27th in baseball against the curve (by FanGraphs' pitch type values).

— Eno Sarris (@enosarris) October 6, 2021

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:25 (two weeks ago) link

i honestly can't remember the last time the cardinals did well against Scherzer. but...actually i'm going to look that up now.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:29 (two weeks ago) link

minor but potentially interesting development: Juan Yepez got added to the Cardinals roster for this game. it would be his debut, if he gets into the game. i don't recall seeing him hit before, not even in spring training, but apparently he has some "pop", and any sort of positive result would be a hell of a debut!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:32 (two weeks ago) link

just the recency bias of his last 2 starts being pretty dominating, I guess.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:36 (two weeks ago) link

i hadn’t realized that max muncy is out

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:41 (two weeks ago) link

i thought bellinger or pujols might cover 1B tonight, but they're going with Matt Beaty instead. i assume pujols is fuming because he believes he would dominate tonight.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:53 (two weeks ago) link

could be his last game tonight? i guess i don't really know if any team would be interested in him, maybe they will next year

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:54 (two weeks ago) link

kind of amazed that bellinger is starting

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:58 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, me too. bellinger has been ICE cold in september/october, too, even worse than before

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:03 (two weeks ago) link

ah, i see edmundo sosa is starting over paul dejong tonight. there was some question about who it would be. dejong basically lost his job to sosa this season, right there at the end when he got injured. just in terms of watching games, too, in terms of entertainment value, dejong is a below-replacement player (tied with goldschmidt and dylan carlson in the 'we have no emotions' style of playing), and sosa seems to get excited about playing well, has excellent range and a strong arm as SS, but he frequently chooses to make impossible, silly throws to 1B that fly straight into the dugout.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

btw, the cardinals almost doubled the second place team in OAA (outs above average), and the cardinals broadcasting team is so incredibly averse to advanced stats that they didn't even mention it all year. they didn't know their own team was by far the best defensive team in baseball!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

OOA relates to team fielding?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:37 (two weeks ago) link

one thing that's cool about it is that you can take a glance and see which directions they tend to be better at (toward the plate or away from it, left or right)

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:50 (two weeks ago) link

Outs Above Average (OAA) is the cumulative effect of all individual plays a fielder has been credited or debited with, making it a range-based metric of fielding skill that accounts for the number of plays made and the difficulty of them. For example, a fielder who catches a 25% Out Probability play gets +.75; one who fails to make the play gets -.25.

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:52 (two weeks ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:01 (one week ago) link

i don't even recognize some of you

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:02 (one week ago) link

but this is where the devil magic is born. it comes from failed recognition of best fans in baseball. it comes from the pain that we have to face when that's not recognized

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:03 (one week ago) link

can we play future hall-of-famer bingo / drinking game?

every time an announcer references the hall of fame with:

drink 1
pujols
molina
scherzer

drink 2
arenado

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:05 (one week ago) link

Bye,bye Joe West

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:10 (one week ago) link

lol, it's a Joe West game at home plate, excellent

xp!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:10 (one week ago) link

Bee are you rooting for the cardinals? i'm assuming you'd rather not play the dodgers, with their rotation

if you face the cardinals, they will have to face the likes of proven veteran Jon Lester

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:11 (one week ago) link

but i could understand wanting to face the rival, just to beat them for good

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:11 (one week ago) link

Of course I'm rooting for the Cards

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:12 (one week ago) link

That new SS looks better!!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 03:52 (one week ago) link

Boing

frogbs, Thursday, 7 October 2021 03:52 (one week ago) link

lol

seriously, he may have won his starting role back tonight, if they continue in the postseason

otherwise, i think the cardinals will probably trade dejong and keep sosa as their main SS for next season. so basically, if the cardinals win, sosa is gone, if the cardinals lose, dejong is gone. weird, but true

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 03:53 (one week ago) link

Rotterdam Termination Source - Poing.mp3

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 7 October 2021 03:55 (one week ago) link

Cards could really win this

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:01 (one week ago) link

how are these wiggles jansen does not balks

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:04 (one week ago) link

Cards were a foot or so from winning this

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:05 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that was their chance

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:07 (one week ago) link

i have a bad feeling about this

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:09 (one week ago) link

fuck, here comes pujols

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:11 (one week ago) link

every cardinal fan in the stadium is like fuck

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:11 (one week ago) link

This cannot happen

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:11 (one week ago) link

Would be awfully cool though

frogbs, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:11 (one week ago) link

Back to normal broadcasting

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:12 (one week ago) link

Awww

frogbs, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:13 (one week ago) link

Karl Malone I feel for you

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:15 (one week ago) link

that would have been horrible but also cool

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:15 (one week ago) link

thank you Bee OK

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:15 (one week ago) link

honestly, given this season, i am already happy with what has happened. it's crazy that they're even here, and it's the dodgers, and they took them all the way to the 9th inning

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:16 (one week ago) link

This is going to be the mother of all extra inning games to make up for all those stunted extra innings over the season. I can feel it.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:18 (one week ago) link

honestly i think this season ends with alex reyes on the mound for the cardinals in the 10th, and i say that as a reyes fan

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:19 (one week ago) link

or even reyes in the 9th, who knows

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:20 (one week ago) link

Lol, fuck the Manfred rule

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:21 (one week ago) link

"the great molina", drink 4

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:25 (one week ago) link

Who is this scrub catching?!?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:25 (one week ago) link

oohhhh

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

unnggghhhh

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

ohhhhh

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

oh man

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

ooooooooooooof
OOOOOOOFFF

FUCK!
FUCK!

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

Aaaaaaand the season ends with Reyes on the mound

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

unnnnngh

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:26 (one week ago) link

Reyes making a habit of doing this

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:27 (one week ago) link

dodgers are pretty good!

good luck giants

go brewers

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:27 (one week ago) link

Sorry Karl.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:27 (one week ago) link

I love the cards fwiw

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:28 (one week ago) link

Would love to see the brewers win it all.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:29 (one week ago) link

matt carpenter never got to hit again

but he sucked extremely badly the last few years so

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:29 (one week ago) link

cardinals didn't deserve to be in the playoffs this year, overall. really though, the team they were over the last month could have won the WS - they're excellent, i'm excited about next year

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:30 (one week ago) link

I sort of don't understand. Like, in hockey, the tea.the wins the president's cup usually does not win the Stanley's. It's about not peaking too soon and staying healthy

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:36 (one week ago) link

Was a reference to "didn't deserve to be. . ."

scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:37 (one week ago) link

yeah, it's different for sure. i think in hockey they don't start "really playing" until the playoffs, right?

baseball is tilted toward luck a lot more. it's not a total crapshoot, but the best team against the worst team will win maybe 70% of the time. two decent teams against each other will usually be 60/40%. the variability is high with baseball, that's what keeps it fun

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:40 (one week ago) link

the Cards could have easily won this game but they are just not that good

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:46 (one week ago) link

realize that with all those short stop miscues

Bee OK, Thursday, 7 October 2021 04:46 (one week ago) link

lol ok

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 October 2021 06:27 (one week ago) link

That variability (or parity) in baseball is why it's good to keep the playoffs small and make the division titles mean something. It's not about just getting a spot in the tournament like the NHL.

That was a really good and tense game. Dodgers-Giants NLDS felt kind of inevitable but the Cards couldn't have been much closer to pulling off the upset.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 7 October 2021 06:36 (one week ago) link

all the shortstop miscues cost them 0 runs (this game), and over the season they came out ahead!

dodgers came out ahead and were the better team for sure, but they'll be the "better" team through this postseason (including against the giants)

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 08:04 (one week ago) link

looking at the video, reyes barely even flinched after taylor's swing -- just started walking toward the dugout

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:03 (one week ago) link

only thing i have to say about this game is that it was cute and good that juan soto was there cheering on scherzer and trea turner

na (NA), Thursday, 7 October 2021 14:26 (one week ago) link

ya – seeing Soto there was great.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 15:50 (one week ago) link


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