In Zaidi we trust - The Giants

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Because they are the best team in MLB and no one saw this coming this year

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 06:53 (one year ago) link

lol, that was supposed to be 2021 Giants but i'm drunk as i met up with old friends tonight

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 06:55 (one year ago) link

anyways, the Giants lost to Bumgarner tonight because of course they did

the Dodgers also lost, so today was just another day but they are running out. nothing gained but also nothing lost

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 06:59 (one year ago) link

but they are running out *of time

Bee OK, Wednesday, 4 August 2021 07:01 (one year ago) link

this team is magic this year.

they were down four going into the 9th inning. D-backs removed their starting pitcher who was dominating and the Giants came back to win. oh yeah, someone named Kris Bryant starting the came back and scored the extra run in the 10th to win it.

Bee OK, Friday, 6 August 2021 01:55 (one year ago) link

I don’t understand how this team is doing it.

They were already halfway there last year, with a lineup hitting the snot out of the ball in the shortened season but lacked pitching/bullpen depth and Buster Posey.

Also, plate discipline. So much plate discipline.

octobeard, Friday, 6 August 2021 04:22 (one year ago) link

there is something special going on this year

the Giants are playing the Brewers and they have faced some of the best pitchers i have seen this year: Burnes, Woodruff and their bullpen. Giants were down by one in the ninth and somehow tied the score (it was unbelievable). in the 10th they scored three runs but the Brewers came back and scored three runs to tie the score, it was a gut punch but this is 2021. in the 11th the Giants scored four runs to finally end the game.

Kris Bryant 3-4

Bee OK, Sunday, 8 August 2021 03:41 (one year ago) link

Yeah they are like perma locked in. The defensive flexibility and depth make them like a mesh network team. It's incredibly fun to watch, and it's reminiscent of the EYBS teams postseason play but all year.

octobeard, Sunday, 8 August 2021 06:47 (one year ago) link

wild win tonight vs the diamondbacks

sknybrg, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 05:12 (one year ago) link

i know the dbacks are the cellar dwellers of the division but they play the Giants well. the Giants have had to come back way too many times this year against them this year. i'm actually glad the Giants don't have to play them too many more times this year.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 August 2021 18:56 (one year ago) link

Narrator: "SF is 13-2 vs. AZ this season."

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Wednesday, 11 August 2021 19:03 (one year ago) link

Giants win and the Dodgers lose, Giants are now five games up in the NL West

Bee OK, Friday, 13 August 2021 04:45 (one year ago) link

Brandon Crawford will stay in the Bay pic.twitter.com/9u0oYC1EOC

— SFGiants (@SFGiants) August 13, 2021

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 August 2021 05:17 (one year ago) link

So Crawford's 2/$32M extension is officially the biggest deal Farhan Zaidi has handed out as #SFGiants president of baseball operations.

— Ben Kaspick (@BenKaspick) August 13, 2021

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 August 2021 05:18 (one year ago) link

games are getting more and more intense. not sure why the Mets manager took out Walker but this was not a good game by the Giants. the Giants needs five outs to get out of a bases loaded ninth but they did. i might say this was one of their flatter games but somehow still won.

there is something about this team this year

Bee OK, Thursday, 26 August 2021 02:21 (one year ago) link

Kapler is a Greta Van Fleet fan

brimstead, Thursday, 26 August 2021 02:53 (one year ago) link

the Giants probably put the nail in the coffin by sweeping the Mets. tonight they should not have lost but the first pitch got them, they are flat right now.

Bee OK, Saturday, 28 August 2021 05:59 (one year ago) link

in other words the season is starting to catch up to them to the naked eye

Bee OK, Saturday, 28 August 2021 06:01 (one year ago) link

Webb pitched a gem tonight, the Giants finally played their brand of baseball and had a win over the ATL

every game is becoming bigger and bigger

Bee OK, Sunday, 29 August 2021 05:23 (one year ago) link

one of the worst days in my life

after having the best record in baseball and being on top after more than 100 days it all come crashing down tonight

i feel the Giants need to win the division this year and that is more important than winning another World Series. in 2014, the Giants Won the World Series despite not winning the division, the Dodgers reign in the West needs to end and this year felt right

also this Texas, supreme court thing really bothers me

why go on...

Bee OK, Thursday, 2 September 2021 06:49 (one year ago) link

There’s still time, you’ve got a month of games and fangraphs puts your playoff odds at 100% (lol)

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 2 September 2021 16:41 (one year ago) link

if only bee ok had known that the giants would be back in first 15 hours later

rip

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 September 2021 22:21 (one year ago) link

Pour one out

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 2 September 2021 23:37 (one year ago) link

Y'all know it's only his stress level that's keeping the plane in the air, right

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Friday, 3 September 2021 02:29 (one year ago) link

he died as he lived; only paying attention when his team was good, then somehow making it all about himself

fly high, frontrunner

mookieproof, Friday, 3 September 2021 03:21 (one year ago) link

Press F to pay respects

Michael F Gill, Friday, 3 September 2021 05:01 (one year ago) link

i was a bit too emotional the other night, i get to invested in this shit. sorry everyone.

Bee OK, Friday, 3 September 2021 21:12 (one year ago) link

and no mookie, i pay attention on the down years too and buy Extra Innings every single year, i just took a long break from ILB is all, as see above (too invested).

Bee OK, Friday, 3 September 2021 21:15 (one year ago) link

Imagine if you were a Padres fan right now, oy vey

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 3 September 2021 21:49 (one year ago) link

Sure, our extremely expensive, all-in season is falling apart, but at least we've never won a title

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 3 September 2021 21:50 (one year ago) link

The only thing that would bring me down this year is if the Giants lose to the Dodgers in the postseason and/or the Bums win it all again.

This season is already found money (I mean they sit at 85 wins right now... a total that I would have considered amazing progress if they ended that way). They have a top 10 farm now. Tons of money coming off the books. Possibility of signing Bryant. Proven elite hitting can happen at 24 Willie Mays Plaza without the roids. I can go on. They should be competitive for some time now and the best Faidi years are still ahead. I don't see them pulling off a WS win this year since the starting pitching is completely unreliable outside of Webb, but they could get close.

Padres have had a classic case of "celebrating at half time" a la the Falcons in the Super Bowl and a ton of injuries. They can still sneak in and grab a Wild Card spot though. They remind me a bit of the 2nd half 2016 Giants but with 1000% more hubris. Until they win something that hubris will only hinder them. Perhaps they need to lose more before they truly can pull one out, a la the Dodgers.

octobeard, Friday, 3 September 2021 23:03 (one year ago) link

Speaking of - Dodgers are expected to win 100+, expected to win the division, expected to go deep and/or win it all.

Anything short of that is a satisfying dose of schadenfreude.

octobeard, Friday, 3 September 2021 23:06 (one year ago) link

what a game tonight, thou the Giants never scored an insurance run as they had to have around 12 chances with running in scoring position. to lose this game would have been heartbreaking.

Bee OK, Saturday, 4 September 2021 06:42 (one year ago) link

2 out of three and take the series season versus the Dodgers. that will work.

Bee OK, Monday, 6 September 2021 02:44 (one year ago) link

first team to 90 wins and 40 games over .500

first team to sweep the Rockies this year at their park

Bee OK, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 23:00 (one year ago) link

a sweep on the road and go 6 - 0, will take it

Bee OK, Sunday, 12 September 2021 21:37 (one year ago) link

Wilmer Flores had a big game. Fun nail biter of a game

sknybrg, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:03 (one year ago) link

clinched a playoff birth tonight for 2021

Bee OK, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 04:39 (one year ago) link

incredible year (so far)

Bee OK, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 04:39 (one year ago) link

bullpen game bit them on the ass tonight

Bee OK, Thursday, 16 September 2021 06:20 (one year ago) link

San Diego had to win a game, just wish it came against the Dodgers instead of losing six

Bee OK, Thursday, 16 September 2021 06:21 (one year ago) link

.@stevekornacki's model gives the Giants a 76.4% chance of winning the NL West 👀 pic.twitter.com/xQuP4AiOBJ

— SF Giants on NBCS (@NBCSGiants) September 16, 2021

Bee OK, Thursday, 16 September 2021 22:53 (one year ago) link

1 is better than 2

Bee OK, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:03 (one year ago) link

What a game

Bee OK, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:03 (one year ago) link

haha! what an ending

sknybrg, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:06 (one year ago) link

I screwed that up

2 up on the Dodgers is better than 1

Bee OK, Saturday, 18 September 2021 05:09 (one year ago) link

you can't make this stuff up. Giants cruising and put their closer on the IL today. up comes Rogers and gives up three in the bottom of the ninth. Giants tie it in the bottom of the ninth on their last strike. and then...

Bee OK, Saturday, 18 September 2021 06:27 (one year ago) link

KEVIN GAUSMAN WALK-OFF SAC FLY!
REPEAT: KEVIN GAUSMAN WALK-OFF SAC FLY! pic.twitter.com/M0tART2yUP

— SF Giants on NBCS (@NBCSGiants) September 18, 2021

Bee OK, Saturday, 18 September 2021 06:27 (one year ago) link

Dominic Leone has been something this year. has been the opener when the Giants are throwing way too many bullpen games. tonight he closed the game.

what a year

Bee OK, Sunday, 19 September 2021 04:08 (one year ago) link

The Mets are the Yankees and Dodgers: they can spend whatever they want, and if it doesn't work out, they'll just spend some more. Not everybody can do that.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:02 (four weeks ago) link

I'm ok with how this off-season turned out. They went after Judge and came out short. Personally I didn't want Judge anyways I wanted Correa. When Correa leg came back with issues, backing out was the right move. They should have let Crawford stay at short and had Correa at third for one season but I think Brandon understood the situation.



Part of why this whole situation was so messy was that the team didn’t talk to him at all! Man’s a professional and he understands how it is, they didn’t even pull him aside to go “fyi we’re going after a shortstop this season, we might need you to move.” I mean, whatever, but it’s the last year of his contract. You don’t need to create bad feeling among the players on top of the embarrassment of the whole mess.

Even if the Giants were right, they:
- left the guy getting ready for a presser twenty minutes before they realised “hmmm something’s not right with the medical”
- front office didn’t bother to say anything
- left players angry, confused
- made themselves look a shambles for other free agents

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:18 (four weeks ago) link

The Mets are the Yankees and Dodgers: they can spend whatever they want, and if it doesn't work out, they'll just spend some more. Not everybody can do that.


And the Giants need to be able to attract good free agents so they can attract great players in future. They are absolutely kidding themselves if they think Ohtani will even consider going there. He’s been playing with Mike Trout and wants postseason play, who are they going to offer for him to play with?

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:21 (four weeks ago) link

Ideally, sure, but can the Giants afford Correa and Ohtani? That'd be $750M right there. There are other models to build a winning team.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 01:59 (four weeks ago) link


left the guy getting ready for a presser twenty minutes before they realised “hmmm something’s not right with the medical”
- front office didn’t bother to say anything

Not sure if this is true according to Alex Pavlovic podcast (Giants NBC Sports Beat Writer) the Giants front office let Boris know on Monday, a day before the press conference, that there were red flags on their report and they were looking into getting more opinions. Press conference was canceled three hours before, not minutes.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 January 2023 02:22 (four weeks ago) link

Not saying it wasn't a clusterfuck because it was. What they did with Crawford was the worst and to compound that other players on the team too. But in hindsight it wasn't as bad as it sure seemed at first. They were right to withdraw the contract.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 January 2023 03:03 (four weeks ago) link

Ideally, sure, but can the Giants afford Correa _and_ Ohtani? That'd be $750M right there. There are other models to build a winning team.


They have promised the fans big signings and they did try for ohtani a few years back iirc? Not saying it has to be Correa, but you need great players to attract great players and farm takes time.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:17 (four weeks ago) link

xps also I didn’t realise that about the presser, thank you for the clarification (sounds like Boras may have put that part out to justify his behaviour?)

Front office still said nothing though

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 10:22 (four weeks ago) link

(xpost) This is also the franchise that won three WS in six years without making the flashy signings you're suggesting. And evidently Correa was happy to sign with the Giants based on who they have now--they turned him away, not the other way around.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 14:33 (four weeks ago) link

That was then, when they had produced good players from the farm system?! They don’t have anyone coming through like that now.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 14:59 (four weeks ago) link

I get what your saying, and the Giants got lucky with Bumgarner and Posey developing the way they did; I'm sure they weren't necessarily counting on the greatest WS pitcher ever and a generational HOF'er when they drafted them. But a couple of smart draft picks and then building on that doesn't necessarily take a lot of time; Bumgarner was drafted in 2007, Posey in 2008, and they won their first title in 2010. That's sort of what the Jays are trying to do with Guerrero and Bichette: start there and work out. I don't know anything about the Giants' finances, but I just can't see them outspending the Dodgers and now, apparently, the Padres. I was touting Correa for MVP before all this craziness started, but I honestly think in the long run the Giants will not regret him going elsewhere.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 15:53 (four weeks ago) link

Posey and Lincecum (who you completely omitted to mention as the first of those three draft picks for some reason), were both Golden Spikes winners. All three were consecutive first round draft picks. Obviously teams do expect those picks to pan out, but in reality tons of first round picks don’t. These three did, and how.

However, the Giants have never drafted a hitter in those years comparable to any of the pitchers (Cain, Lincecum, Bumgarner) or Posey. They had to bring Bonds in. Obviously they have position players that can hit but they’re not known as a low-hitting team in the past two decades for no reason. That’s what they’re trading for. Someone who can reliably hit and give them a bit of star power.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 16:55 (four weeks ago) link

Like, do you not remember them bringing in Beltran in 2011? Those WS teams were always looking for run support. You don’t need a guy to do five innings on short rest in game 7 if you’ve got anyone who can reliably deliver.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 16:58 (four weeks ago) link

who you completely omitted to mention as the first of those three draft picks for some reason[

A very mysterious reason: I forgot. (Besides which, Lincecum was the second-best starter on the 2010 team, and not all that important to the 2012/14 teams--he wasn't central in the way that Bumgarner/Posey were.)

I swear to god, I don't know what point you're trying to make. That the Giants should bring in great players? Well, yeah, they should--but not doing what the Rangers do, which is spending untold amounts of money when they're not even a .500 team. And they did land a great player in Correa, until they found out that they was a risky investment. So they passed, and now he's either someone else's problem or someone else's successful gamble. They won 107 games two years ago, and they were a .500 team last year who drew 2.5 million fans. And now they should...panic and start emptying the vault to grab a wild-card spot?

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:05 (four weeks ago) link

I mean, I really do appreciate how much you've absorbed in your year of watching baseball and your spirited insistence on explaining the subtleties of the game to me. It's taken me 50 years to get to where you've gotten.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:07 (four weeks ago) link

Oh I see, the 2010 series doesn’t count for some reason. Weird.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:10 (four weeks ago) link

Like, do you not remember them bringing in Beltran in 2011?

No, I don't, but thanks for reminding me. They traded for Beltran, he was great, and they didn't make the playoffs that year. In 2012, Beltran was gone. Who did they trade for Beltran? Zach Wheeler, currently one of this best pitchers in baseball.

This is an argument you're making in favour of hitting the panic button?

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:13 (four weeks ago) link

I swear to god, I don't know what point you're trying to make


Clearly.

The Giants can’t produce good hitters so they probably need to buy them in. This is necessarily more expensive because it’s a faster solution than drafting and working on young players until they’re ready, which they also need to do!
Obviously if they’re at all serious about rebuilding they need to torch the farm or bring in some new staff for development, but that’s not an overnight thing, and the front office have repeatedly promised fans they’ll make some big signings, because the last decade has been pretty fallow.

So I’m not arguing that they should have signed Correa, I’m arguing that the team needed a big signing of that type for the reasons stated above, and that’s really it.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:14 (four weeks ago) link

_Like, do you not remember them bringing in Beltran in 2011?_

No, I don't, but thanks for reminding me. They traded for Beltran, he was great, and they didn't make the playoffs that year. In 2012, Beltran was gone. Who did they trade for Beltran? Zach Wheeler, currently one of this best pitchers in baseball.

This is an argument you're making in _favour_ of hitting the panic button?


The point is that the need for a good hitter hasn’t ever gone away. If you insist on misunderstanding points based on bad past outcomes because you can’t or won’t understand the logic behind those decisions, i can’t help you.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:16 (four weeks ago) link

Oh I see, the 2010 series doesn’t count for some reason.

And I said this exactly where? What I said was that Lincecum was a somewhat key player in 2010, and not key at all in 2012/2014, which was a response to you equating Lincecum with Bumgarner/Posey as central to the three WS teams. He wasn't.

I’m arguing that the team needed a big signing of that type--this is exactly when teams end up overpaying somebody, when for whatever reason they decide they need this one player. Nobody needs any one player; there are always alternatives.

Suddenly I'm rooting for the Giants to have a great season with what they have.

I'm sorry you can't help me. Because I really do need your help in making sense of all this.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:20 (four weeks ago) link

There’s no equating and honestly this is bizarre and annoying. I am referring to the three singularly great drafts they made in consecutive years and which I’m not sure any team has replicated since. It’s lightning in a bottle, and if it was so easy to do, teams wouldn’t bother with the Scott Borases, but teams always need to bring in/trade for what they don’t have.

The notion that Lincecum didn’t matter in 2010 is weird, like omitting Zito coming through with a winning season in 2012, Cain’s amazing 2012, Vogelsong himself in 2012 - in fact 2012 was a real whole team effort and I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say that Posey and Bumgarner were “central” to the 2012 title. Posey, undeniable case, but Bumgarner had the exact same regular season ERA as Vogelsong, and he got lit up in two postseason games to a degree none of the rotation ever have in that scenario. Again, you want to make a case for a pitcher being central to 2012 it’s going to be Cain and Zito. And if you want to talk postseason 2012 you’ve got to include Lincecum and Scutaro, probably Pence too.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:34 (four weeks ago) link

I made a general statement covering all three titles--"equating Lincecum with Bumgarner/Posey as central to the three WS teams"--which you've chopped up into parts. As convenient shorthand, bWAR for those three seasons: Lincecum - 0.5 (two years with negative value), Bumgarner - 8.1, Posey - 16.6. Two of those players are central, one isn't.

this is bizarre and annoying.

Let's end this on some common ground.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:46 (four weeks ago) link

Yes, you generalised because you didn’t know what you were talking about. “Chopping into parts” = referring to the individual seasons by what actually happened.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:50 (four weeks ago) link

you didn’t know what you were talking about

I don't usually say stuff like this, but Jesus fuck it amazes me what a self-appointed expert you are based on a few months of watching YouTube clips (taken from the thread where we're all supposed to thrill to your magical journey of self-discovery): "This year I did something I didn't expect; I got into baseball."

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:55 (four weeks ago) link

It’s a real mystery why interest in the sport is dying.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:56 (four weeks ago) link

And as for “a few months of YouTube clips” - watching all three postseasons in full, watching large swathes of regular seasons in full, reading about the teams and games in books and coverage from the beat writers who were there at the time and knew the teams best, reading blogs breaking down stuff into absolutely minuscule details to understand more. Sorry for not being born in America and this game being quite literally foreign to me.

What I’m not doing:
- getting misty eyed over Great Men in History
- writing to Bill James
- reducing people to numbers and refusing to see the game for what it is

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 17:59 (four weeks ago) link

I apologize for knocking your thread--heat of the moment, and I didn't appreciate "you didn't know what you were talking about." It just seems like you pounce on half the stuff I post here.

"Getting misty-eyed over Great Men in History"--don't know what that means...That I like Willie Mays? Someone else on here said I was jaded. Do jaded people get misty-eyed? You guys can work that out.

No apologies for writing to, reading, or continuing to view many things about baseball within the context of the profound influence James had on me 40 years ago. I know he's not the same writer now that he was then, but influences like that don't just disappear.

Statistics are a fundamental part of the game. "Refusing to see the game for what it is" was pretty much the foundation of sabermetrics.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 18:45 (four weeks ago) link

The fact that you're not American is of no importance to me. Neither am I--and in fact used to get grief for posting on the American politics thread for that very reason.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 18:46 (four weeks ago) link

FWIW, Lincecum played a big role out of the bullpen in the 2012 postseason. And they wouldn't have won without Zito either, even though he was just OK in the regular season. Everyone agrees that the Zito contract was a disaster, but OTOH they don't win that year without him, so is it a wash? He was overpaid, but it's not like his contract prevented the front office from making the other moves they needed to win.

And that's the point of the Correa non-deal too, isn't it? Big free agents are almost always overpaid based on what they can deliver. But if teams have the money to spend (and the Giants obviously do) then a well timed signing can alter the history of the franchise.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 January 2023 21:38 (four weeks ago) link

Well, they did sign him, and then--for reasons I agree with--they walked away. Whether that means they now need to sign (if I understand gyac's argument correctly) two high-priced free agents to replace him--the first one to attract the next one--I think they'd be better to invest that money elsewhere for now.

It was you who last week compared the Jays right now with the Giants of the three WS--tinker around, try to get in the playoffs, and take it from there: "put together a solid 85-90 win team, retool in July before the deadline, and hope for a playoff run." I really don't see that as a bad strategy in this day and age.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:09 (four weeks ago) link

Again, I don't know the Giants' financial strength. My assumption is they exist somewhere in the upper half of the middle: that they can afford a huge contract like the one offered Correa, but that--unlike the Yankees or Dodgers (or Mets or Padres?)--it needs to work out or they're boxed in for a time. If I'm wrong, and they belong with those teams who can just run right over mistakes with more spending, then sure, they should have gambled on Correa.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:13 (four weeks ago) link

to add more fuel to the fire, the Beltran move was pretty dumb, they were seriously not contending that year esp after the posey injury. I think keppinger was a better pickup that year

not too strange just bad audio (brimstead), Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:17 (four weeks ago) link

The debt on the stadium is paid off and they are now going to be printing money from the project next door. They can be in the Top 5 or so if they choose to be. Will they is the question but they need the farm to produce something, anything. The owner who's politics I hate is one of the richest in MLB.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:44 (four weeks ago) link

That Beltran move was the stupidest thing ever. Brian Sabean also gave up Reynolds for McCutchen and was a total waste too. This is part of the reasons for the Zaidi move. Good luck Yankees.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:48 (four weeks ago) link

What I said re Beltran deal & I also called it a bad outcome! Argue the point being made!

The point is that the need for a good hitter hasn’t ever gone away.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:53 (four weeks ago) link

If they're that financially sound, maybe they should have taken a chance on Correa, I don't know. I don't think he was going to singlehandedly keep them close to the Dodgers or Padres, but--the gyac argument, I think--bringing him on board would have been a good way to attract a second big-money FA, and then they've closed that gap significantly.

Happy to wait and see how this turns out.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:56 (four weeks ago) link

I haven't given this much thought to the Giants since they almost came to Toronto in 1976.

clemenza, Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:58 (four weeks ago) link

Well Correa's 13 year and 12 year deals have fallen apart. Not sure if the Twins 10 year deal is still on the table but right now I don't think any team should sign him for more than six years. IMO, the Giants did the right thing by pulling that contract despite what Giants fans think. Spending wisely is way more important even if it puts them behind yet another year.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 January 2023 23:58 (four weeks ago) link

This will also cost them Shohei Ohtani but they might not have been in the mix anyways. The way that whole thing is going to play out is going to be sensantal next year or off-season.

Bee OK, Sunday, 8 January 2023 00:02 (four weeks ago) link

*sensational

Bee OK, Sunday, 8 January 2023 00:04 (four weeks ago) link

A king among men

Whenever I part with Brandon Belt for the final time, my lasting memory will be something that he said in the clubhouse tonight after the game. He looked at Homeroom, Baggs and I and said unsolicited, “Do yourselves a favor guys. Go to the Ritz-Carlton and get the chicken strips.

— Henry Schulman BLUE CHECK MARK (@hankschulman) April 24, 2019

bit high, bitch (gyac), Tuesday, 10 January 2023 23:42 (three weeks ago) link

There's a little write-up on Matt Cain in here a couple of you might like:

https://open.substack.com/pub/joeposnanski/p/a-carlos-correa-redux-and-more-baseball?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 19:02 (three weeks ago) link

I enjoyed that. I’ve kind of gone off him a bit since I found out the terrible story that was posted about him in the 2010 NLDS thread though (I won’t repeat it) but he was great.

bit high, bitch (gyac), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:14 (three weeks ago) link

Didn't realize when I posted that, but Jay Jaffe had something much longer on Matt Cain today:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jaws-and-the-2023-hall-of-fame-ballot-matt-cain/

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:17 (three weeks ago) link

I’ve read a lot of the stuff together but he’s really been such a huge part of that decade. I loved that video they posted recently about the perfect game.

Amazing clip of Bruce Bochy telling Brandon Belt he made the team in 2012 🥲

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Related: the guy who took Matt Cain’s seat during the perfect game crying when he gets called up

bit high, bitch (gyac), Thursday, 12 January 2023 21:57 (three weeks ago) link

There is no crying in baseball, that was a touching moment with Belt. Going to miss him and he ended up winning the Belt Wars.

Bee OK, Friday, 13 January 2023 02:37 (three weeks ago) link

Cain was at 103 pitches as he strolled back to the dugout, where baseball's superstitions had long since taken over for his teammates. Well, for most of them.

You don't talk to a pitcher who is working on a no-hitter, and you certainly don't sit close to him in the dugout. But when Cain returned after the stressful seventh, he found Belt, in his second big league season, in his spot. Cain was amused, and a day later Belt admitted that it wasn't his first faux pas in that type of situation. In the minors, he once walked back into the dugout in the middle of a no-hitter and pointed out to teammates that there were a lot of zeros on the scoreboard.

CAIN: "I mean, it's kind of obvious. There's a towel. (Pitching coach Dave Righetti) would always lay out a towel. It was always there ... (Ryan Vogelsong) was like, 'What are you doing!' Belt was just completely oblivious, which now we know Belt and its standard for him. It was awesome."

BELT: "It wasn't funny at the time. I got the death stare from Cain and Vogey, but looking back on it, he might have gotten the perfect game because I sat there. I look at it as I think I'm good luck. But yeah, that was a scary moment for me, for sure. I thought Vogey was going to kill me."


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(He also put the game ball in his pocket for Cain so it wouldn’t get lost or grabbed in the moment.)

bit high, bitch (gyac), Friday, 13 January 2023 09:22 (three weeks ago) link

2022-23 Hot Stove thread

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 January 2023 22:02 (three weeks ago) link

Staring to get excited about baseball again, these discussions are helping. Not sure how good the Giants will be this year but will never give up on my team.

Bee OK, Saturday, 14 January 2023 22:05 (three weeks ago) link


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