A Thread for Starting Pitchers That Are Jacob deGrom

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Does he have even an outside chance to finish the year with an ERA under 1.12? Getting beat up even once would pretty much end that. Gibson threw so many innings in 1968, he had enough wiggle room that I think he did have one or two relatively poor starts.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:49 (three months ago) link

Seems impossible to me. But my experience is mostly with starting pitchers that are not Jacob DeGrom.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:50 (three months ago) link

And of course, he's simultaneously making a serious run at Williams' .406.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 16:51 (three months ago) link

Looked up Gibson's game log for '68. He never got hammered; a couple of starts where he gave up 4 earned runs, but even there, he pitched 9 and 11 innings. Mets have 113 games remaining, which'd be 21-24 more starts for deGrom if he stays healthy, probably another 150 innings. He's got a bit of a cushion right now, but a real longshot.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 17:14 (three months ago) link

deGrom's era- is 19, I doubt it stays this way but for reference, the Pedro twin masterpiece seasons were 42 and 35. Gibson's 1968 was 38.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 21:19 (three months ago) link

Quick comparison of deGrom's career ERA+ (presently third all-time behind Rivera and Pedro), covering eight seasons, to the best eight-year run of some other post-war pitchers. I'm just doing a visual scan of career boxes, so I may not have the absolute best eight-year run for the some of the others.

Pedro ('97-04) - 194
Maddux ('92-99) - 179
Kershaw ('11-18) - 174
Johnson ('97-04) - 171
deGrom - 155
Clemens ('86-93) - 151
Scherzer ('13-20) - 146
Seaver ('68-75) - 145
Schilling ('97-04) - 142
Koufax ('59-66) - 141
Marichal ('62-69) - 141
Gibson ('64-71) - 140
Verlander ('11-18) - 133
Carlton ('69-77) - 122

There are others who would be on that list--Sale, Santana, Blyleven, probably a few more. Very informal: tried to pick the most famous pitchers.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:05 (three months ago) link

Carlton's peak was more diffuse, so a couple of his greatest seasons aren't included; ditto Clemens' two years with the Jays.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:06 (three months ago) link

Pedro is from a distant fictional world.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:27 (three months ago) link

Also I checked for Halladay ('04-11) and it's 148!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:27 (three months ago) link

seaver threw 1000 more innings during his eight-year run and even kershaw threw 400 (25%) more

obviously the standards for starters are changing -- we may never have another 300-game winner -- but degrom's rate stats will have to be insane into his late 30s to make up for the overall value lost by throwing so few innings

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:52 (three months ago) link

(tbf he'd have probably thrown 100 more had 2020 been a normal season)

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:54 (three months ago) link

I checked Halladay too, but I got something like 135...I'm guessing you used 2002-2011, a 10-year-run. I was trying to stick to eight, and couldn't get his Cy Young season with the Jays and his greatest years with the Phillies into the same window.

No argument about the innings. One good thing is the widespread and almost total understanding that he might be the most extreme case on record of a meaningless win total.

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 June 2021 23:57 (three months ago) link

Not sure if Maddux's domination relative to era (beginning of the offensive boom) is fully appreciated; that window above includes a mediocre year in '99.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:00 (three months ago) link

ERA + would reflect the hitting at the time tho, no?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:13 (three months ago) link

It does, that's why he does so well on that list. That's what I mean--I don't think it's fully appreciated that his sub-2.00 years were in the middle of an offensive boom (ditto Pedro/Johnson/Clemens...even more so with Maddux, I think, because he wasn't first and foremost a strikeout pitcher).

clemenza, Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:18 (three months ago) link

I checked Halladay too, but I got something like 135...I'm guessing you used 2002-2011, a 10-year-run. I was trying to stick to eight, and couldn't get his Cy Young season with the Jays and his greatest years with the Phillies into the same window.

No argument about the innings. One good thing is the widespread and almost total understanding that he might be the most extreme case on record of a meaningless win total.

― clemenza, Wednesday, June 2, 2021 7:57 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I went for 2004-2011. Sliding the years to 2003-2010, didn't change much. I probably did something wrong!

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:25 (three months ago) link

The thing I love about deGrom is how even when he doesn't have his best stuff he figures things out. So many games where he gives up 1-2 runs in the 1st or 2nd inning on 20+ pitches, then he starts bearing down and you look up and its the 6th and he's thrown 85 pitches and no one else even got on.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:51 (three months ago) link

ERA+ doesn't really reflect the hitting climate (other than including park-factor adjustments) -- it's relative to other pitchers, not offense, e.g. maddux's 179 meant he was 79% better than league-average pitchers during that stretch.

i suppose it might actually be easier to differentiate yourself in a high-run environment -- when the league has a 5.00 ERA you can be a star with a 2.50 ERA; when the league has a 2.50 ERA, you can barely make any mistakes at all to be that much better than average

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 June 2021 00:54 (three months ago) link

Well, his ERA+ the last four seasons are 218, 171, 182, and, uh, 548 (this season, so far).

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 3 June 2021 01:08 (three months ago) link

(xpost) But the hitting climate determines, to a degree, how well the other pitchers are doing, no? If it's an offensive boom year, and everybody else has an ERA of 3.50+ (Maddux won the ERA title in '94 by over a run, and then in '95 by almost a run), then your sub-2.00 ERA looks that much better. The reasoning seems circular here...you end up back at the same place.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 June 2021 02:10 (three months ago) link

Ya that’s true.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 June 2021 03:00 (three months ago) link

Yes and no, and the big factor is indeed the amount of innings you pitch, for which Pedro (become of his injuries and relatively shorter career), Rivera (because of his role) and deGrom (he is a late bloomer) have a rather distinct advantages in that regard. Mookie is right in that changes in pitching strategies will make it hard for us to compare a stat like era+ accross generations.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 04:20 (three months ago) link

The first thing I’ve learned from Morbs on ILB is that one stat won’t capture the identity of a player, so looking into just era+ (or era-) won’t really tell the whole story on how deGrom is great and how he compares to other greats.

(I used the era- number myself more as an exclamation point.)

(19!)

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 04:26 (three months ago) link

If deGrom throws 200 IP this year, he needs to have 25 ER or fewer to beat Gibson. He's given up 4 ER thus far, so he can give up 21 ER in 150 IP the rest of way ... a 1.26 ERA from now until the end of the season. Doesn't seem likely but I hope he finds a way!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 3 June 2021 08:10 (three months ago) link

You beat me to it--I was going try a similar estimation. Sounds within reach when you lay it out. (Except, just like Thermo is singlehandedly responsible for the meltdown of the Jays' bullpen, this thread has guaranteed that deGrom will get chased in the second inning next start.)

I just used ERA+ because it's quick and easy; of course no stat can capture everything. When I pushed back on WAR when I first came on here, that was basically my point. I'd put together some comparison, include a whole bunch of things, and someone would say "Why bother? WAR already accounts for all that."

I've got to be stubborn on the meaning of ERA+, though. It adjusts for two things: your park and league offense. The second adjustment reflects offense across the league, not the other pitchers, not unless you believe they get better or worse in lockstep, and do so independent of things like PEDs or lively baseballs or emphasis on launch angle and all that. When Pedro gets a huge adjustment for 1999 and 2000 (as he should), it's because of the crazy offense, not because all the other pitchers in the league suddenly and mysteriously got worse.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:29 (three months ago) link

> one stat won’t capture the identity of a player

Uh, I think you guys are forgetting wins!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 June 2021 12:37 (three months ago) link

I still don't understand how a batter is supposed to pick up his slider vs his change-up... all the while knowing a high 100mph fastball is an option too. As long as he executes his pitches, I don't see how you strategize against him.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:08 (three months ago) link

Has there been a batter who has consistently got his number?

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:11 (three months ago) link

His personal Tony Gwynn? Interesting question.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:28 (three months ago) link

stanton is .333/.419/.815 with 4 HR in 31 PA

rizzo is .435/.480/.609 in 25 PA

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 June 2021 15:38 (three months ago) link

I was curious, so I looked at the three lowest seasonal ERAs since Gibson's season to see what those ERAs would have been if you removed the pitcher's three worst starts. Three lowest: Gooden in '85 (1.53), Maddux in '94 (1.56), and--same season as Gibson--Tiant in '68 (1.60). The one that may end up being directly comparable to deGrom is Maddux, who only threw 202 innings in a strike-shortened season. Gooden was over 270, Tiant close to 260, so a single start had relatively less effect with them.

All three had one start where they gave up five earned runs. If you eliminate those, you get:

Maddux - 1.38 / Gooden - 1.39 / Tiant - 1.47

After that, you're looking at starts of mostly three earned runs, varying lengths, with one of four earned runs for Tiant. (Tiant didn't go six innings in his second- and third-worst starts).

With their two worst starts eliminated:

Maddux - 1.28 / Gooden - 1.32 / Tiant - 1.39

Eliminating their three worst starts:

Maddux 1.19 / Gooden - 1.25 / Tiant - 1.27

What I get from this is that avoiding one terrible start isn't enough; even when eliminating Maddux's three worst starts in a shortened season, he still comes up short (although very close). deGrom pretty much has to limit himself to one or zero runs every start.

clemenza, Thursday, 3 June 2021 23:56 (three months ago) link

He's almost always good for one or two "bad" starts.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Friday, 4 June 2021 01:14 (three months ago) link

I'm guessing that one bad start is his margin of error. (Those five-run starts by Maddux, Gooden, and Tiant were all five or six innings, by the way.)

clemenza, Friday, 4 June 2021 01:31 (three months ago) link

James on deGrom's chances (answering a reader e-mail from me): "It's very unlikely...I'd say it is a 5% chance, maybe." (His whole answer was a little longer.)

Posnanski, posted today (much longer): "I'd say he has a real shot...If deGrom can keep the few fly balls he allows in the ballpark, yes, this could be the year."

clemenza, Saturday, 5 June 2021 03:18 (three months ago) link

fwiw ten pitchers have won at least three cys. the only ones who *aren't* in the hall are scherzer, kershaw and clemens

mookieproof, Saturday, 5 June 2021 06:03 (three months ago) link

I think the rule-of-three when it comes to Cys or MVPs is 100% if PEDs aren't involved.

clemenza, Saturday, 5 June 2021 11:58 (three months ago) link

(If they are, even the rule-of-seven doesn't work.)

clemenza, Saturday, 5 June 2021 11:59 (three months ago) link

Good test for deGrom tonight, promises to be exciting.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 01:18 (three months ago) link

First 8 pitches: all 100 MPH

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 6 June 2021 02:32 (three months ago) link

That terrible 3rd strike call aside, I was just laughing at the glory of it.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 02:33 (three months ago) link

Mets booth said that Dwight Gooden has been scheduling his week around Degrom starts.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 6 June 2021 03:51 (three months ago) link

Gooden and I have something in common then!

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 04:17 (three months ago) link

It wasn’t drugs?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 6 June 2021 05:27 (three months ago) link

Nah, never touched that!

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 15:45 (three months ago) link

I checked in every few innings online last night. I take it he loaded the bases at one point; that's how precarious and improbable chasing Gibson is--one bad pitch can set you back weeks.

clemenza, Sunday, 6 June 2021 16:28 (three months ago) link

There was an error in that inning so I believe the first run would have been unearned. Also Degrom has in the past been super adept at escaping bases loaded jams unscathed.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 6 June 2021 17:31 (three months ago) link

Not especially meaningful, but:

https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/private/t_16x9/t_w1536/mlb/cdobiao2scbuwhrunhrq.jpg

clemenza, Friday, 11 June 2021 12:48 (three months ago) link

Only four innings, but I can't resist:

A Thread for Pitchers Who Are Doing Really Well and Are Jacob deGrom

clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:18 (three months ago) link

I have a classic second-guess. Snell walks two guys to load the bases with one out, he's upset over a call, and the next batter swings at the first pitch; check swing, inning-ending double play.

clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:29 (three months ago) link

0.58 at the moment.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:32 (three months ago) link

Ya, just tuned in.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 June 2021 22:22 (three months ago) link

Glad he's starting to get some contact outs, may allow him to stick around longer.

clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 22:23 (three months ago) link

Close call! He sets the bar too high...two baserunners and I felt panic strike.

clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 22:28 (three months ago) link

Nah, he's at his best when he's got runners on. You can almost see him get pissed at himself.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 21 June 2021 22:32 (three months ago) link

Shame I only got to catch 1 inning

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 June 2021 23:04 (three months ago) link

Check out the gaudy W-L record on Brad, I mean Jacob.

clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 23:44 (three months ago) link

De Grom was inspected twice by the umpires today.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/mets-degrom-first-pitcher-inspected-new-mlb-foreign-substance-rules/

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 00:52 (three months ago) link

SI piece posted this morning:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/06/22/jacob-degrom-season-dominant-the-opener

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 12:58 (three months ago) link

itt i try to criticize jacob degrom

it must help to have a manager who takes him out of the game before he gives up a run. he's only gone past 6 innings once since April. 12 starts, 72 innings for an average of 6 innings per game so far this year. don't get me wrong, that's great, of course! any team will take that, regardless of the ERA. but for comparison, Arrieta's final 12 starts in 2015 added up to 88 innings (7.1 IP/game, 0.41 ERA), and Flaherty's final 12 starts in 2016 were over 82 innings (almost 7 IP/game, 0.77 ERA).

and that's all i got. although i was also idly considering this terrible scenario:

what if degrom continues being superhuman this year and 2022, but then dr andrews visits him in the night and his arm mysteriously explodes soon afterward, and he ends up retiring after 2023 with a career line of 50+ WAR but less than 100 "wins". hall of famer? i guess Koufax is a comparison.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:46 (three months ago) link

I think without the injury scares he definitely goes more innings.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:09 (three months ago) link

dang, gooden's first 12 starts in 1985 covered 94 innings, and he had 16 complete games that year! seems as far away from today's game as gibson probably did to gooden's

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:17 (three months ago) link

He does have a 2.74 career ERA in the 7th inning (.244/.280/.375), so obviously they are wary.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:29 (three months ago) link

re: deGrom.

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:30 (three months ago) link

Whether he wins a third Cy would likely figure into any HOF consideration; there are no non-PED three-time Cy or MVP winners not in the HOF.

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:58 (three months ago) link

I think I said this in the other thread, but I do think he needs the third Cy, plus to be excellent for the next three years to meet the bare minimum of the hall. A no hitter plus some good post season work would also help, as would pitching well deep into his late thirties. It’s probably too early to make any predictions until he gets to the ten-year mark in 2024.

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 22:18 (three months ago) link

he’s getting in imo

k3vin k., Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:26 (three months ago) link

Choppy day, but he got out of a bases-loaded/none-out situation with only one run. Two for the day through six innings, ERA has ballooned to 0.69. (BA up to .414...)

clemenza, Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:53 (three months ago) link

He gave up 2ER on three hits in 6 IP ... and his ERA went up by 40%!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 27 June 2021 07:13 (two months ago) link

gonna try to watch a little tonight.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 21:23 (two months ago) link

or the entire thing. whatever.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 21:24 (two months ago) link

Well I guess I jinxed that.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:49 (two months ago) link

his ERA is now 1.03 as of the end of the first!

*drudge sirens*

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:50 (two months ago) link

how's his rpms looking

, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:53 (two months ago) link

small sample so far, but up from his season average, and higher velo as well

https://i.imgur.com/zTU9orR.png

Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:59 (two months ago) link

ah so he's just regular bad now

it was a good career

, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:01 (two months ago) link

he could have been a hall of famer

Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:09 (two months ago) link

comeback player of the year

, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:54 (two months ago) link

The thing I love about deGrom is how even when he doesn't have his best stuff he figures things out. So many games where he gives up 1-2 runs in the 1st or 2nd inning on 20+ pitches, then he starts bearing down and you look up and its the 6th and he's thrown 85 pitches and no one else even got on.

― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:51 PM (four weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Vin Jawn (PBKR), Friday, 2 July 2021 01:25 (two months ago) link

he could have been a hall of famer

Meant as a joke, I know, but--and I do realize how insane this sounds--it really does feel like his HOF status is a precarious house of cards where one awful start could matter. I wrote about that last week:

http://phildellio.tripod.com/

Short version: an awful start would deny him any chance at the the record, which--in tandem with falling short of the qualifying IP--could cost him a third Cy, which then, down the road, could leave his HOF status on the fence.

His career is just so strange in terms of historical precedent.

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 13:57 (two months ago) link

I think his HOF chances are pretty safe. He can be mediocre for the next 4 years and I think he’d still be a shoe in. But it’s not like he’s in any sort of decline right now.

i think to get in he'll have to have either keep up for a few more years (better than mediocre, not necessarily world-beating) and/or have some sort of Legendary Moment near the end

Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:37 (two months ago) link

if puts up a 4.08 ERA from 2022-25, in other words, the mystique will be gone. people forget quickly

Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:38 (two months ago) link

To me it comes down to two things: Cys and how much the value of wins has been discounted (or will have been discounted by the time he's eligible) compared to, say, 20 years ago--50%? 70% completely? One good thing is that his lack of run support has probably been scrutinized and publicized more than any pitcher ever. Don't think I'd go so far as "pretty safe," not yet.

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 16:25 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Chdcl9L.png👍

Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 16:58 (two months ago) link

deGrom is pretty good but he's no Dutch Leonard

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Friday, 2 July 2021 17:00 (two months ago) link

looking at Sanata as a possible comp for falling short of the hall – I guess clemenza might have a point.
both won two Cy youngs, 4 all star appearances (assuming Degrom this year). Sanata had a few more years in before losing 2011 to injury and only getting just one so-so year in after that; so his counting stats look a better (139 vs 77 wins, 1988 vs 1485 strikeouts 51 WAR vs 41). But Degrom has a significant edge in ERA (2.50 vs 3.20), ERA+ (157 vs 136), FIP (2.63 vs 3.44), SO/W ( 5.07 vs 3.51)the list goes on.
so i guess if he gets the Cy this year, it could cement him as a HoF no matter what happens after... more Koufax than Sanata at that point. but it's not like a sudden end to his career is eminent or anything.
i'm also now curious what the most dominant season a non-HOF starter has had (not counting pre-deadball).

a few quick results i got were Clemens in 97 (tho obvious a hall of fame calibre pitcher but not in for other reasons, currently) plus Wilbur Woods AND Vida Blue in '71

johan santana, right?

I wasn't watching much baseball during his prime years, so i had to look it up to make sure myself

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 July 2021 18:32 (two months ago) link

definitely not Ervin!

Not sure how they did in WAR without checking, but McLain and Tiant in '68, Dean Chance in '64, Gooden in '85, and Guidry in '78 all come to mind.

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:35 (two months ago) link

Lolich was pretty great in '71 too.

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:36 (two months ago) link

Jacob DeGrom, former Hall of Fame contender, current fading superstar with 2 ER today and a 1.08 ERA

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 July 2021 00:37 (two months ago) link

How the mighty have fallen.

To slightly less mighty, but still pretty mighty.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 8 July 2021 04:08 (two months ago) link

Second fewest starts (198) after Darvish (197) to 1,500 strikeouts.

clemenza, Thursday, 8 July 2021 14:32 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/EDLi8QP.png

no idea why they chose those for comparison, but it's been the exact same layout for over a month now. it's true that MLB just doesn't generally understand what their own fans like to see

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 July 2021 17:00 (two months ago) link

Do you mean the ERA chart or the Darvish comparison? The latter seems meaningless to me, especially when they call it "fastest to 1500 strikeouts," but Leonard (official record, Negro League mark aside), Gibson (modern-day record), and Gooden (best since 1968) make sense, no?

clemenza, Friday, 9 July 2021 20:32 (two months ago) link

to me, the ERA comparison is useless for the same reason of "fastest to 1500 strikeouts" - they were all playing in different eras

but also, just from a PR/stats perspective, i'd guess only a small portion of the fans would intuitively understand why the players in the chart above were chosen (to represent different eras and run-scoring environment). and even then...to keep the same little stat template up for like 6 weeks when it only takes 20 minutes to come up with something different and interesting? eh, what do i know. the pandemic has been hard for everyone, including mlb.com data visualizers

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 July 2021 21:07 (two months ago) link

To clarify, I thought the "fastest to 1500" was useless because they used starts rather than age (or, at the very least, IP). Darvish and deGrom are the same era, though.

They could use some parenthetical explanations on the ERA chart, for sure.

clemenza, Friday, 9 July 2021 21:47 (two months ago) link

I think the record he's actually vying for is an the unofficial, esoteric Greatest Injury-Riddled Season Ever record.

https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-degrom-right-forearm-tightness

clemenza, Saturday, 17 July 2021 22:23 (two months ago) link

On the shelf two more weeks.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 31 July 2021 00:26 (one month ago) link


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