Fernando Tatis Jr. is Bringing Joy Back to Baseball

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All the time Tatis spent fixing his foibles paid off. His swings and misses on pitches outside the zone are down by nearly 40% from his rookie season. After committing 18 errors last year, most of them on routine plays, Tatis came around to the idea that every play need not be flashy. He could take the proper angles. Use more feet, less arm. He has zero errors through 16 games this season. As his agent Roger Tomas tells Tatis, sometimes it's OK to be boring.

Perhaps that says as much about who Fernando Tatis Jr. is as anything: He has to actively work at being boring. It took a pandemic and an increasingly monitored set of protocols to keep him from unleashing new sets of choreographed handshakes to celebrate his and the Padres' triumphs. And even constrained -- or as constrained as he can get -- Tatis still manages to make antiseptic, fake-noise-infused, empty-stadium baseball feel urgent.

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 04:37 (two years ago) link

if at any point this thread title stops being true i will quietly resign

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 04:38 (two years ago) link

Going to lose an age-21 season that--only 18 games in, so who knows?--might have been in Trout-Pujols range.

clemenza, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:04 (two years ago) link

just hit #10, not long after trout hit #10

the race to 74 is on

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 03:19 (two years ago) link

#11 grand slam

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 03:43 (two years ago) link

Just reading about this--3-0 count, big lead, people are upset.

Oh, please.

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:43 (two years ago) link

unwritten rules of baseball: no joy

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:47 (two years ago) link

he apologized for hitting a grand slam

Tingler, who knows Woodward well from their time together in the Texas organization, wasn’t quite so emphatic. But he spoke with Tatis after the home run and after the game called the moment “a learning opportunity.”

“Just to make sure we get the signs 3-0,” Tingler said. “He’s young, a free spirit and focused and all those things. That’s the last thing that we’ll ever take away. But it’s a learning opportunity.”

fuck a jayce tingler

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 14:57 (two years ago) link

I'd feel the same at any time, but in this season ("season")? It's not like they desperately need a reason to care or anything.

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 15:11 (two years ago) link

Hey @tatis_jr listen up:

1) Keep swinging 3-0 if you want to, no matter what the game situation is
2) Keep hitting homers, no matter what the situation is
3) Keep bringing energy and flash to baseball and making it fun
4) The only thing you did wrong was apologize. Stop that.

— Trevor Bauer (@BauerOutage) August 18, 2020

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 19:48 (two years ago) link

(NOTE: i'm not a Bauer-apologist, I think he's a dbag).

one of the interesting developments is:


is there a precedent for a post-game suspension allthewhile not getting ejected for throwing behind someone? That seems highly unusual...

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 19:51 (two years ago) link

Up by 6 in the 4th inning, Fernando Tatis Jr. just stole third base with two outs on Gibaut

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:26 (two years ago) link

Tatis now leads the league in homers, rbi's, runs, and steals.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:33 (two years ago) link

And middle fingers!

clemenza, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:38 (two years ago) link


starting to think that trading James Shields for this guy was worth it

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:40 (two years ago) link

Taking this very, very rare opportunity to say "Trevor Bauer otm"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 21:51 (two years ago) link

Up by 6 in the 4th inning, Fernando Tatis Jr. just stole third base with two outs on Ian Gibaut -- who threw behind Manny Machado last night one pitch after Tatis' 3-0 slam.

Tatis is single-handedly burning the sport's unwritten rulebook. I am here for it.

— AJ Cassavell (@AJCassavell) August 18, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 August 2020 22:39 (two years ago) link

unwritten rules of baseball: no joy

― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, August 18, 2020 10:47 AM (eleven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the crack of the bat. the scent of a verdant field. The excitement of the crowd. These are the things that piss base ball fans off the most

— wint (@dril) June 19, 2018

ciderpress, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:00 (two years ago) link

There's no one I'd rather get a fuck-them-all high-five from.

Fernando Tatis keep playing hard and playing great, it’s a pleasure to watch you play, love your success and the Padres rise to be a winner. Keep leading the way. It ain’t easy to hit Hrs. Keep bringing energy you have to the game, we need players like you. An All Star

— Reggie Jackson (@mroctober) August 18, 2020

clemenza, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 02:59 (two years ago) link

I know a lot of candidates don’t always like to weigh in hot button controversial topics, but I think Tatis swinging on 3-0 was good actually.

— Jess Scarane for Senate (@JessforDelaware) August 18, 2020


— Jess Scarane for Senate (@JessforDelaware) August 18, 2020

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 21:20 (two years ago) link

FERNANDO TATIS JR TO THE ROOOOOOOOOOF 🤯🤯🤯🤯#FriarFaithful | @Padres pic.twitter.com/xeXDWsChbf

— Fox Sports Slam Diego (@FOXSportsSD) August 27, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 27 August 2020 21:13 (two years ago) link

noted magician Fernando Tatis Jr. pic.twitter.com/Ckh8pV6gSg

— Sarah Langs (@SlangsOnSports) September 9, 2020

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 9 September 2020 01:42 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

I compared Tatis/Soto/Acuna for a Facebook post (pro-rated for 162 games):

Tatis: 44 HR, 31 SB, .301/.374/.582, 154 OPS+, 7.9 WAR
Soto: 36 HR, 12 SB, .295/.415/.557, 151 OPS+, 5.0 WAR
Acuna: 42 HR, 32 SB, .281/.371/.538 133 OPS+, 6.3 WAR

I was trying to think of three players this good at the same age (22/23--the range between Tatis and Acuna is a year and 15 days). I thought of Griffey/Thomas/Bonds, but Bonds was four or five years older than them; if you put aside what we know now, Griffey/Thomas/Gonzalez might be comparable. It's possible you'd have to go back to Mays/Aaron/Mantle, although Aaron was three years younger than the other two.

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 11:37 (one year ago) link

He's only played 75 games, but Bo Bichette--between Soto and Acuna in age--actually falls more or less within the same range:

Bichette: 35 HR, 17 SB, .307/.347/.549, 137 OPS+, 6.9 WAR

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 12:39 (one year ago) link

I miss Morbs.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 February 2021 16:51 (one year ago) link


John Wesley Glasscock (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 February 2021 16:58 (one year ago) link

Is there something inherently faulty with that comparison? The three seem pretty related to me. (Bichette is probably a stretch--letting hometown bias creep in there.)

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 17:23 (one year ago) link

Bichette is a very good player. I'm not offended. It's probably too early to give him 350 mil though.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 19 February 2021 20:58 (one year ago) link

Believe me, wasn't inferring that at all. I doubt a Jays fan would even formulate that kind of thought about any player--a willingness to throw around money hasn't been their trademark for quite some time (if it ever was...early '90s, maybe).

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 21:50 (one year ago) link

(I thought the objection was to linking Tatis/Soto/Acuna. Bichette was just an afterthought.)

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 21:55 (one year ago) link

I like Bichette as a comparison because he's an infielder.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 19 February 2021 21:56 (one year ago) link

Tatis, Acuna, and Soto are all awesome, but Bichette isn't that far off on a per-game basis.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 19 February 2021 21:57 (one year ago) link

How about Trout/Harper/Machado after the 2015 season?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 February 2021 22:04 (one year ago) link

They might be pretty close, yeah, I'm going to check that. I was fooling around earlier today with Griffey/Thomas/Gonzalez through their age 23 seasons (not quite synchronized--the gap is close to a year-and-half between Thomas and Griffey).

Griffey: 30 HR, 18 SB, .303/.375/.520, 146 OPS+, 6.7 WAR
Thomas: 29 HR, 1 SB, .321/.453/.547, 179 OPS+, 6.9 WAR
Gonzalez: 41 HR, 3 SB, .274/.326/.535, 137 OPS+, 4.0 WAR

Gonzalez was clearly inferior to those two and the current three because of his low OBP. I'd forgotten how great Thomas was, though--that's before his two MVP seasons. His OPS+ stood at 182 through his first eight seasons.

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:13 (one year ago) link

feel like soto is about to go on an incredible hitting tear, but as long as the others are playing SS/CF it's gonna be hard for him to compete in WAR

mookieproof, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:27 (one year ago) link

I forgot Acuna signed for 8 years / 100 millions already.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 19 February 2021 22:48 (one year ago) link

Actually, a bit of hindsight here but make it Trout/Machado/Betts after 2015

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 February 2021 22:53 (one year ago) link

Was just about to post when you mentioned Betts. Through 2015 (the age gap is about a year and two months between Trout and Harper--Trout turns 24 in 2015, but after whatever deadline they set for such things, so it counts as his age 23 season on Baseball Reference).

Trout: 35 HR, 29 SB, .304/.397/.559, 169 OPS+, 9.2 WAR
Harper: 31 HR, 12 SB, .289/.384/.517, 144 OPS+, 6.3 WAR
Machado: 25 HR, 11 SB, .281/.330/.458, 114 OPS+, 6.1 WAR
Betts: 19 HR, 24 SB, .291/.348/.471, 119 OPS+, 6.9 WAR

Good comparison, although Machado and Betts are just getting going as hitters in 2015 (but make up for that in WAR on defense).

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:00 (one year ago) link

I did think of Trout/Harper earlier, but Machado/Betts slipped my mind as a third wheel.

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:01 (one year ago) link

(deadline is july 1 for 'age year')

mookieproof, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:01 (one year ago) link

Agree with you that WAR comparisons within each group become trickier when you've got Tatis (or Machado) in the infield, even with a positional adjustment--hard for Soto to keep up. Putting the three-year age gap aside, Mays/Aaron/Mantle makes more sense as a group.

clemenza, Friday, 19 February 2021 23:09 (one year ago) link

a willingness to throw around money hasn't been their trademark for quite some time

This irl made me laugh. Last big extension for the jays was, I think, Vernon Wells.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 20 February 2021 00:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...


"A left shoulder subluxation"--hope that's less scary than it sounds.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 12:09 (one year ago) link

if surgery will make his shoulder problems go away forever i hope he just gets it, the pads can probably take the wild card without him

has me thinking of manny machado's fucked up knees, hasn't been on the DL once since he had them taken care of in 2013

, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 13:29 (one year ago) link

Dislocating your shoulder on a swing, damn. Reminds me of Sammy Sosa throwing his back out sneezing, which I did not comprehend as a possibility until I was 35.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:45 (one year ago) link

all of that otm

Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 15:58 (one year ago) link

in high school i played with a guy (his name was todd but everyone including teachers called him moose) who would maybe twice a year dislocate his shoulder throwing the ball. then he would just kneel on the ground in agony until his brother sprinted out to pop it back in, and then he would be fine. in retrospect that doesn't seem like an ideal process

and yeah i fucking dread sneezing now, for sammy-related reasons. most of the sound i make is pain, not sneeze

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:02 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Anything you can do, eye can do better. pic.twitter.com/LzXWzzI0Ak

— San Diego Padres (@Padres) April 25, 2021

Andy K, Sunday, 25 April 2021 01:50 (one year ago) link

five homers in 2.5 games jeez

mookieproof, Monday, 26 April 2021 00:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Three HR last night.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 June 2021 12:13 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Thoughtful comment of the day:

“This whole Tatis stuff, man, it almost enrages me,” Papelbon said. “I worked my ass off so long and so hard and did it the right way. For me, to see something like that, it hurts me so bad.

“I’ll tell you right now: If I was pitching, every single time I face that dude I’m drilling him. I don’t care if I’m bringing in a run and losing the game.”

clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:12 (one month ago) link

Waiting for John Rocker and Curt Schilling to weigh in.

clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:16 (one month ago) link

Forgot about this thread

Fernando Tatis Jr. is bringing steroids back to baseball

, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:28 (one month ago) link

A companion thread for my Stealing the Sign: the Carlos Correa Thread.

clemenza, Monday, 15 August 2022 23:41 (one month ago) link

Speaking of whom, Correa provides thoughtful comment of the day, part II:

“Wow,” the slugger told media before Friday’s game. “If there’s one thing I don’t respect it’s a cheater. I’ll leave it at that.”

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 03:26 (one month ago) link

wow this thread title

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 03:40 (one month ago) link

Xp Correa quote was 'satire'

, Tuesday, 16 August 2022 05:18 (one month ago) link

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