The Best NL Central Fans in Baseball 2020

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed

no fair; the cubs are playing 163 games

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 03:24 (one year ago) link

I can’t believe the cubs are going into the season with tyler chatwood as their fifth starter

na (NA), Friday, 14 February 2020 13:24 (one year ago) link

division thread is still bizarre to me

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 February 2020 15:41 (one year ago) link

i wonder if addison russell will ever play again

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 16:51 (one year ago) link

I follow the teams in the NL Central more closely than other teams; I suspect others do as well. Might as well round up the division discussion in here rather than splitting it across 5 lonely threads

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (one year ago) link

some others, of course

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (one year ago) link

there were 500 posts in the nl central thread last year. about as many as in the mets thread, but i don't think any other team threads came close to that many posts

na (NA), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:52 (one year ago) link

ie 100 posts per team :)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:04 (one year ago) link

100 posts per team, all by the same person

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:05 (one year ago) link

as much fun as it is to mimic the experience of blogging on your personal website to yourself, i enjoy other people contributing too

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:06 (one year ago) link

For NL Central fans, it's winning the division or bust! I think on the team threads, the same 4-6 people would post anyway.

If you watch your local cable TV channel for your local team, pretty much you are going to get to know the division teams as they play them a ton. I really don't know anything about what is going on in the AL West at all, but I see the Pirates, Cards, Brewers and Cubs play quite a bit.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 20:35 (one year ago) link

I could probably count on my hand how many games I have seen Mike Trout play where I have seen Yadier Molina play hundreds of games at this point.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 20:38 (one year ago) link

Winning hair.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQrYseMWsAAddgX?format=jpg&name=900x900

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:01 (one year ago) link

Geno Nick
🀝
crushing
baseballs pic.twitter.com/FjjbohSMXt

— Cincinnati Reds (@Reds) February 13, 2020

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:01 (one year ago) link

still pretty pissed we're not getting cubs games on broadcast tv anymore. good opportunity to watch more white sox games i guess. definitely not paying for "marquee" and putting more money in the ricketts' pockets

na (NA), Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:13 (one year ago) link

recently learned that the entire state of iowa is blacked out, on mlb.tv, from the cubs, white sox, brewers, twins, cardinals and royals

hawaii is blacked out from padres, angels, dodgers, giants, a's and mariners

amazing

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:30 (one year ago) link

i love when a band plays its hit songs

Speaking here at Spring Training Media Day, general manager Ben Cherington said he believes once the Pirates improve performance β€” in several areas β€” payroll will follow suit.

— Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) February 16, 2020

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:28 (one year ago) link

ross is 'committed' to having bryant lead off

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:42 (one year ago) link

hmm, could make sense? he has the second highest projected OBP (.373), behind rizzo and ahead of schwarber and contreras, and is a better baserunner than that group.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:47 (one year ago) link

yeah, seems reasonable

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:53 (one year ago) link

of course, if bryant slumps to start the season than it is the dumbest move of all time and everyone knows you can't mess with a player's routine

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:54 (one year ago) link

they didn't have a natural leadoff player last year and still don't really. based on the little we saw of nico hoerner last year he could be a good fit possibly.

this thread was a poll last year. any thoughts on who could win the division that are more insightful than mine ("could be anyone but the pirates")?

na (NA), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:23 (one year ago) link

that's pretty much everyone's take this year, i think. i think it'll just come down to injuries and who is in a position to make a big pickup at the trade deadline

but then again, you can say that about most years.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:25 (one year ago) link

i don't really get why pecota has the cubs to repeat last year's record when they've lost hamels and lester is a year older. idk, i guess hoerner could be good and kimbrel can't be worse. bullpen seems sketchy?

i assume the cardinals will feature like a dozen mysteriously great young starters but it seems like they've finally run out of outfielders

reds might be real! should be interesting to see how they all fit together

welcome (back) to the division BROCK HOLT

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:21 (one year ago) link

i think the idea the cardinals are running with is that they still have enough outfield depth to rely on the younger guys while letting ozuna walk and dexter fowler gradually play himself into benching/retirement. not everyone agrees on that strategy but i actually think it will work.

harrison bader will start in CF, and is such a good fielder and runner that his floor is around 2 WAR even if his bat disappoints. he'll never be a great hitter because he's like that one guy in major league who can't hit breaking balls (dorne?) , but i think he suffered from some bad BABIP luck (his career worst, including minors) last year.

in LF they'll probably have tyler bro'neill start the year. despite striking out 30-40% of the time he still somehow projects as a plus player due to his insane strength and underrated fielding and running (i think he's in the top ten sprint speed last year?)

in RF fowler will begin the season as a starter and either bounce back to pre-2018 form (unlikely) or cede playing time to lane thomas and tommy edman while waiting for top prospect dylan carlson to arrive sometime in 2020.

obviously i've got my homer lenses on but it wouldn't be shocking to see both bader and o'neill put up 4+ WAR seasons, with carlson gradually entering the mix to add some stability.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:36 (one year ago) link

randy arozarena was/is most likely a better overall player than bader or o'neill, so it was a bummer to see him go in the trade for liberatore.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:37 (one year ago) link

BROCK HOLT

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:38 (one year ago) link

Brewers are only 4 starting pitchers away from being serious contenders

frogbs, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:51 (one year ago) link

yeah forgot about carlson, he's legit. and o'neill will probably be better with regular playing time -- maybe he'll remember how to take a walk instead of trying to kill everything he sees

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:53 (one year ago) link

the obscenely early ZiPS projects provide a slightly different outlook than PECOTA, but still very close all around:

https://i.imgur.com/lzqLqT5.png

ZiPS sees the Cubs as the favorite to win the Central, but only by a small margin, unlike the projections from when they were serious World Series contenders. Something tells me that if the Cubs are out of money, they’d be more out of money winning 85 games than as one of the league’s first-tier contenders, but what do I know? I don’t even own a top hat or a monocle. The Reds are still projected to finish fourth, but only by the slightest margin. One thing that ZiPS can’t really take into consideration is that I expect Cincinnati to be extremely aggressive at the trade deadline if they’re close, more aggressive than the rest of the division and arguably with more interesting trade bait.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-obscenely-early-zips-projected-standings/

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:20 (one year ago) link

genuinely looking forward to a close division battle again this year

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:22 (one year ago) link

liberatore threw a beautiful overhand curve for a strike that had the batter bailing out, but then threw it again on the next pitch and gave up a triple. then he pretty much fell apart

mookieproof, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:27 (one year ago) link

Matthew Liberatores curveball is worthy of a nickname #stlcards pic.twitter.com/cTcfe93t5D

— cardinalsgifs (@cardinalsgifs) February 24, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:50 (one year ago) link

kolten wong is sporting a pair of yellow/gold cleats, either in homage to mcdonalds or to his gold glove season. either way it's nagl

https://i.imgur.com/WRJbaXm.png

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:12 (one year ago) link

Main takeaways:
1. Dylan Carlson is very likely the Cardinals second-best outfielder right now.
2. Dexter Fowler's best fit is as 4th outfielder. https://t.co/xGsppe5zWk

— Craig Edwards (@craigjedwards) March 3, 2020

carlson looked a little sketchy in the outfield yesterday, but he's supposed to be at least average

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 15:54 (one year ago) link

it's going to be painful watching fowler keep the starting RF position all the way until early june. i've only seen a limited amount of carlson in the OF but he seems to hold his own. he also made a pretty difficult play up against the wall with gusting wind conditions the other day, and made it look pretty easy.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:03 (one year ago) link

do all 5 teams have a fan in this thread?

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:59 (one year ago) link

technically, yes

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:00 (one year ago) link

if i had to guess, the number of people rooting for each team is roughly:

brewers: 2
cubs: 2
cardinals: 2 (now sure if bnw reads this)
reds: 2(?)
pirates: 1.5 (i think we're all sort of rooting for the pirates, in a way)

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:05 (one year ago) link

pretty good! i was gonna pick a team to be a fan of based on one of them having 0 fans but if that is not the case i'll just be a fan of all 5 except the cardinals

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

sorry km ily

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

if you don't care about the team winning, the pirates are a great team to root for! otherwise i think everyone (outside of this thread and earlnash) is gonna be rooting for the reds this year

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

xp cardinals nation will never forget your betrayal Will M! I am putting this on the agenda at the next nation meeting

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

er, my comment about the reds came out weird - i just meant that obv earlnash will be rooting for the reds, and i'd guess most people would generally cheer on the reds this year as well.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!πŸ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:17 (one year ago) link

brewers. because i have the hat.

the brewers are a big reason i got back into baseball, so they always have a place in my heart. definitely interested in the reds this year, they look exciting, and votto remains an all-time fave. pirates are loveable hard-luck lozars. the cubs........... are a team as are the cardinals. i suppose i'll cheer for 3/5. cc me the minutes from the cards nation meeting!

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:35 (one year ago) link

yelich, brewers nearing $215m extension

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 21:50 (one year ago) link

9 years, apparently

Seems rather team friendly

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:32 (one year ago) link

would take him to 37? buys out his last 2 (i think) bargain years he's still under contract for. seems team friendly but at that length there's def some risk.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 01:29 (one year ago) link

cubs are the only team over .500 in the division

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 19:09 (ten months ago) link

i follow a pittsburgh sports history twitter account that mainly concentrates on five- or ten-year anniversaries, and while the 1960 and 1990 pirates weren't bad and most of the other teams still won at least 60 games, it feels like an endless onslaught of X Years Ago Today Pirates Throttled By _______

also all the hopeful sidebars on prospects who obviously never panned out ('john wehner has new approach at plate' etc.)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:10 (ten months ago) link

adam wainwright is unstoppable

mookieproof, Sunday, 6 September 2020 00:58 (ten months ago) link

i was completely wrong about him, a couple years ago. i just thought he was _done_. for a while, he really was cooked, it was sad to watch. his recent run has been wonderful to watch. who knows how long he can keep it up, how much luck is involved (i'm too afraid to look up his peripherals), or how long it will take before he gets injured for perhaps the final time. but i'm enjoying it now. i never thought i'd be saying this, but he seems like a lock for another year (maybe even 2??) contract and a spot in the rotation in 2021

Karl Malone, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:19 (ten months ago) link

and i don't think anyone is going to be satisfied unless both yadi and wainwright say their farewells in front of a live audience

Karl Malone, Sunday, 6 September 2020 01:19 (ten months ago) link

i knew that if i waited long enough, my annual prediction of jon lester's demise would eventually come true

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 September 2020 19:42 (ten months ago) link

you know what team is bad? the pittsburgh pirates

now watch them blow their four-game lead for the top draft pick

mookieproof, Monday, 21 September 2020 22:39 (ten months ago) link

was it ever decided how draft order would be determined?

βœ–, Monday, 21 September 2020 23:12 (ten months ago) link

reverse alphabetical by city/state name, i believe (congrats blue jays!)

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 September 2020 23:17 (ten months ago) link

I really hope the Reds make the post season with a losing record and then turn around and knock the Dodgers out the fxxxin playoffs. That would be hilarous!

earlnash, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 00:12 (ten months ago) link

Payback for '81...

earlnash, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 00:12 (ten months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/cQ8V7sX.png

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 September 2020 23:24 (ten months ago) link

Thom Brennaman has resigned as a Cincinnati Reds broadcaster, he told WCPO on Friday, one month after he used an anti-gay slur on the air.

mookieproof, Friday, 25 September 2020 20:27 (ten months ago) link

fuck off for life brennamans

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 20:53 (ten months ago) link

so, devin williams

small sample size obv, but 1.1 bWAR (1.4fWAR) as a reliever is impressive even for a full season, let alone 60 games, and 18.7K/9 is o_O

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 22:11 (ten months ago) link

he's outperforming his xFIP, which is 1.00

O_o

Karl Malone, Friday, 25 September 2020 22:12 (ten months ago) link

As now, looks like MLB will actually might get a couple of match ups they would want.

Dodgers/Giants
Marlins/Cubs

Marlins/Cubs isn't a rivalry game, but it is the first time they have met in the playoffs since Bartman, so his shadow will be discussed ad nauseam for the same dudes that pounded beers at the Cubbie Bear before the Freddy Jones Band.

earlnash, Saturday, 26 September 2020 05:59 (ten months ago) link

imo it’s not a marlins playoff game without the guy in the shirt who always sits behind home plate

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 14:55 (ten months ago) link

That dude used to show up at a lot of sporting events, he was a camera regular at Heat games when LeBron was there too.

earlnash, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:42 (ten months ago) link

feel like it would be somehow fitting if all four NL central teams lost

mookieproof, Friday, 2 October 2020 14:56 (nine months ago) link

JT Riddle has elected free agency, thus ending one of the greatest mysteries in recent Pirates history.

Despite hitting .149/.174/.224 (.398 OPS) and committing four errors, Riddle appeared in 23 of 60 games, playing 3B, SS, 2B, 1B, LF, RF and CF.

— Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) October 6, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 14:58 (nine months ago) link

he slept with the owner

president of my cat (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 15:09 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...
two months pass...

the worst division in baseball, in 2021

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 22:27 (seven months ago) link

the only division to ever produce four playoff teams, and yet

mookieproof, Tuesday, 29 December 2020 23:24 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

it's weird what one acquisition will do, but with the arenado addition it seems like the cardinals will have an excellent defense in 2021. this is someone else's breakdown:

Elite: Arenado, Bader
Great, but a step below: Goldschmidt, DeJong, O’Neill
Really good and maybe better: Edman, Carlson
Old/unclear: Yadi/Knizner

i love how this just assumes that yadi's coming back. but yeah, he is.

i'd edit that to:

Elite: Arenado, Bader
Great, but a step below: DeJong, O’Neill
Really good: Goldschmidt, Edman, Carlson
They still don't run on him, so: Yadi
Why is this baseball man on the field: Fowler

Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 January 2021 06:17 (five months ago) link

when stevie nicks released 'edge of seventeen' i thought it ruled and also i thought she was referencing a certain four-time batting champion

Sometimes to be near you
Is to be unable to hear you
I'm a few years older than you
(I'm a few years older than you) my love MADLOCK

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 February 2021 02:58 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

this is only of note for big pirates fans (hi mookie!), but 1B john nogowski was traded to the pirates for cash considerations after being DFA'd by the cardinals.

nogowski had no position on the cardinals (Goldschmidt at 1B, a logjam of mediocre 4th outfielders, where nogowski was attempting to fit in as well)

he's a really interesting player - very little power but excellent contact and walk skills. and i think he walked more than struck out and put up above-average production in pretty much every level of the minors, too. also fun to watch and seemingly a good dude. he had the very best spring training this year and played his way onto the team. then he got almost zero playing time in the majors.

he probably won't pull a luke voit or a randy arozarena or a tommy pham or an adolis garcia, but it also wouldn't be surprising if he turned into a solid everyday player for the bucs, and at almost no cost - probably the kind of player that would eventually lead them back to contention.

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 July 2021 18:47 (three weeks ago) link

i'm sorry but i deeply distrust players who bat right and throw left

except for rickey henderson

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:27 (three weeks ago) link

i 100% understand

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:57 (three weeks ago) link

but give john nogowksi and his mustache a chance. i want to see what he could do with consistent playing time

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 July 2021 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

my (step)dad batted and threw left (and shot right in hockey). and he totally knew that batting left was an advantage, but supposedly when i first picked up a bat i did so righty and he either forgot or didn't feel like he could 'correct' me. also in minor league (8-10yos) he'd give me a quarter or something every time i pulled the ball. he was understandably trying to develop power but ultimately i was completely incapable of going the other way unless i was overpowered.

except this one single pristine time in high school when i waited on a curve and hit it to right. once.

these facts ended up featuring in his obituary because i'd have *totally* had a mark grace-like career had he coached me suitably

anyway my uncle dick hits right and throws left, and he was always an asshole when i was a kid because despite being a STEP-nephew i was better than his kids at sports

so you need to wow me, nogowski. mustache is probably a good first step

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:30 (three weeks ago) link

also at my (step)dad's memorial i mentioned that he was he was easily the smartest/brightest person i'd ever known and (hits right, throws left) uncle dick made a big scene of clearing his throat for joeks and i should have fucking *buried* him but wasn't prepared so i let it slide

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:02 (three weeks ago) link

christ what a (bats right throws left) asshole

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:07 (three weeks ago) link

andy k just in case you hit righty, don't tell me, because i want to continue to love you

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:10 (three weeks ago) link

i knew this one kid from wichita. he was in the same school as me, early on. i was the shortest kid in school and bullied by aaron, the school's known kickball king. well, this kid from wichita murdered aaron. and then i was the best at kickball after that. that was 1989. he was right-handed but kicked lefty

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:21 (three weeks ago) link

fuck aaron

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:27 (three weeks ago) link

Exactly. And not only that, but Aaron was also against switch thrower/batters. It was fucked up

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:31 (three weeks ago) link

who in history ever more deserved to die

ooh, i'm moses's half-brother, i can make a magical asp weakly kick a ball. fuck you; sign on the mantle or no, you're the eldest son and yr fuckin weak

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:36 (three weeks ago) link

john nogowksi may be the lovely dust through which GOD works his purpose

mookieproof, Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:41 (three weeks ago) link

yes! this is exactly what i see in nogowski. his OBP will surprise you, as will god's plan for the bucs

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 July 2021 03:42 (three weeks ago) link

All John Nogowski needed was to go to a good organization.

— Sen. Lemon Gogurt (R - MS) (@Ugarles) July 7, 2021

mookieproof, Wednesday, 7 July 2021 17:20 (three weeks ago) link

NOGOWSKIMENTUM

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 July 2021 00:49 (three weeks ago) link

John Nogowski 2021 wRC+ on July 4th: -30

John Nogowski 2021 wRC+ on July 9th: 122

— πŸ₯‡ (@SteeloCity) July 10, 2021

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:49 (two weeks ago) link

#nogowski

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 04:33 (two weeks ago) link

he's good! he's not exceptional, i don't thin, unless he pulls a luke voit.

but he's pretty good! will always root or nogowski

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 July 2021 04:34 (two weeks ago) link

Finally gave in and have been watching and listening to the Reds a bit on radio the last month or so, including a couple of the games against the Brewers this weekend.

Got to say the Brewers catcher Omar Navarez really reminds me a bunch of John Kruk when he is batting.

earlnash, Monday, 12 July 2021 01:39 (two weeks ago) link

not only is nogowski now hitting .452/.489/.548 with the pirates, he's also wearing the number 69. a cult hero in the making

for some reason, seven of the 15 major leaguers ever to wear 69 did so with pittsburgh

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 00:49 (one week ago) link

i'm telling you, this nogowski is the answer

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 03:00 (one week ago) link

Got to love the Reds once AGAIN showing signs of being decent then coming out of the Allstar break fumbling and stumbling.

Their bullpen is trash.

earlnash, Thursday, 22 July 2021 01:18 (one week ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.