The Best NL Central Fans in Baseball 2020

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no fair; the cubs are playing 163 games

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 03:24 (four months ago) link

I canโ€™t believe the cubs are going into the season with tyler chatwood as their fifth starter

na (NA), Friday, 14 February 2020 13:24 (four months ago) link

division thread is still bizarre to me

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 February 2020 15:41 (four months ago) link

i wonder if addison russell will ever play again

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 16:51 (four months ago) link

I follow the teams in the NL Central more closely than other teams; I suspect others do as well. Might as well round up the division discussion in here rather than splitting it across 5 lonely threads

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (four months ago) link

some others, of course

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:51 (four months ago) link

there were 500 posts in the nl central thread last year. about as many as in the mets thread, but i don't think any other team threads came close to that many posts

na (NA), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:52 (four months ago) link

ie 100 posts per team :)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:04 (four months ago) link

100 posts per team, all by the same person

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:05 (four months ago) link

as much fun as it is to mimic the experience of blogging on your personal website to yourself, i enjoy other people contributing too

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 19:06 (four months ago) link

For NL Central fans, it's winning the division or bust! I think on the team threads, the same 4-6 people would post anyway.

If you watch your local cable TV channel for your local team, pretty much you are going to get to know the division teams as they play them a ton. I really don't know anything about what is going on in the AL West at all, but I see the Pirates, Cards, Brewers and Cubs play quite a bit.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 20:35 (four months ago) link

I could probably count on my hand how many games I have seen Mike Trout play where I have seen Yadier Molina play hundreds of games at this point.

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 20:38 (four months ago) link

Winning hair.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQrYseMWsAAddgX?format=jpg&name=900x900

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:01 (four months ago) link

Geno Nick
๐Ÿค
crushing
baseballs pic.twitter.com/FjjbohSMXt

— Cincinnati Reds (@Reds) February 13, 2020

earlnash, Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:01 (four months ago) link

still pretty pissed we're not getting cubs games on broadcast tv anymore. good opportunity to watch more white sox games i guess. definitely not paying for "marquee" and putting more money in the ricketts' pockets

na (NA), Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:13 (four months ago) link

recently learned that the entire state of iowa is blacked out, on mlb.tv, from the cubs, white sox, brewers, twins, cardinals and royals

hawaii is blacked out from padres, angels, dodgers, giants, a's and mariners

amazing

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:30 (four months ago) link

i love when a band plays its hit songs

Speaking here at Spring Training Media Day, general manager Ben Cherington said he believes once the Pirates improve performance โ€” in several areas โ€” payroll will follow suit.

— Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) February 16, 2020

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:28 (four months ago) link

ross is 'committed' to having bryant lead off

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:42 (four months ago) link

hmm, could make sense? he has the second highest projected OBP (.373), behind rizzo and ahead of schwarber and contreras, and is a better baserunner than that group.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:47 (four months ago) link

yeah, seems reasonable

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:53 (four months ago) link

of course, if bryant slumps to start the season than it is the dumbest move of all time and everyone knows you can't mess with a player's routine

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:54 (four months ago) link

they didn't have a natural leadoff player last year and still don't really. based on the little we saw of nico hoerner last year he could be a good fit possibly.

this thread was a poll last year. any thoughts on who could win the division that are more insightful than mine ("could be anyone but the pirates")?

na (NA), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:23 (four months ago) link

that's pretty much everyone's take this year, i think. i think it'll just come down to injuries and who is in a position to make a big pickup at the trade deadline

but then again, you can say that about most years.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:25 (four months ago) link

i don't really get why pecota has the cubs to repeat last year's record when they've lost hamels and lester is a year older. idk, i guess hoerner could be good and kimbrel can't be worse. bullpen seems sketchy?

i assume the cardinals will feature like a dozen mysteriously great young starters but it seems like they've finally run out of outfielders

reds might be real! should be interesting to see how they all fit together

welcome (back) to the division BROCK HOLT

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:21 (four months ago) link

i think the idea the cardinals are running with is that they still have enough outfield depth to rely on the younger guys while letting ozuna walk and dexter fowler gradually play himself into benching/retirement. not everyone agrees on that strategy but i actually think it will work.

harrison bader will start in CF, and is such a good fielder and runner that his floor is around 2 WAR even if his bat disappoints. he'll never be a great hitter because he's like that one guy in major league who can't hit breaking balls (dorne?) , but i think he suffered from some bad BABIP luck (his career worst, including minors) last year.

in LF they'll probably have tyler bro'neill start the year. despite striking out 30-40% of the time he still somehow projects as a plus player due to his insane strength and underrated fielding and running (i think he's in the top ten sprint speed last year?)

in RF fowler will begin the season as a starter and either bounce back to pre-2018 form (unlikely) or cede playing time to lane thomas and tommy edman while waiting for top prospect dylan carlson to arrive sometime in 2020.

obviously i've got my homer lenses on but it wouldn't be shocking to see both bader and o'neill put up 4+ WAR seasons, with carlson gradually entering the mix to add some stability.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:36 (four months ago) link

randy arozarena was/is most likely a better overall player than bader or o'neill, so it was a bummer to see him go in the trade for liberatore.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:37 (four months ago) link

BROCK HOLT

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:38 (four months ago) link

Brewers are only 4 starting pitchers away from being serious contenders

frogbs, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:51 (four months ago) link

yeah forgot about carlson, he's legit. and o'neill will probably be better with regular playing time -- maybe he'll remember how to take a walk instead of trying to kill everything he sees

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:53 (four months ago) link

the obscenely early ZiPS projects provide a slightly different outlook than PECOTA, but still very close all around:

https://i.imgur.com/lzqLqT5.png

ZiPS sees the Cubs as the favorite to win the Central, but only by a small margin, unlike the projections from when they were serious World Series contenders. Something tells me that if the Cubs are out of money, theyโ€™d be more out of money winning 85 games than as one of the leagueโ€™s first-tier contenders, but what do I know? I donโ€™t even own a top hat or a monocle. The Reds are still projected to finish fourth, but only by the slightest margin. One thing that ZiPS canโ€™t really take into consideration is that I expect Cincinnati to be extremely aggressive at the trade deadline if theyโ€™re close, more aggressive than the rest of the division and arguably with more interesting trade bait.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-obscenely-early-zips-projected-standings/

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:20 (four months ago) link

genuinely looking forward to a close division battle again this year

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:22 (four months ago) link

liberatore threw a beautiful overhand curve for a strike that had the batter bailing out, but then threw it again on the next pitch and gave up a triple. then he pretty much fell apart

mookieproof, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:27 (four months ago) link

Matthew Liberatores curveball is worthy of a nickname #stlcards pic.twitter.com/cTcfe93t5D

— cardinalsgifs (@cardinalsgifs) February 24, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 24 February 2020 20:50 (four months ago) link

kolten wong is sporting a pair of yellow/gold cleats, either in homage to mcdonalds or to his gold glove season. either way it's nagl

https://i.imgur.com/WRJbaXm.png

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 19:12 (four months ago) link

Main takeaways:
1. Dylan Carlson is very likely the Cardinals second-best outfielder right now.
2. Dexter Fowler's best fit is as 4th outfielder. https://t.co/xGsppe5zWk

— Craig Edwards (@craigjedwards) March 3, 2020

carlson looked a little sketchy in the outfield yesterday, but he's supposed to be at least average

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 15:54 (four months ago) link

it's going to be painful watching fowler keep the starting RF position all the way until early june. i've only seen a limited amount of carlson in the OF but he seems to hold his own. he also made a pretty difficult play up against the wall with gusting wind conditions the other day, and made it look pretty easy.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:03 (four months ago) link

do all 5 teams have a fan in this thread?

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 16:59 (four months ago) link

technically, yes

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:00 (four months ago) link

if i had to guess, the number of people rooting for each team is roughly:

brewers: 2
cubs: 2
cardinals: 2 (now sure if bnw reads this)
reds: 2(?)
pirates: 1.5 (i think we're all sort of rooting for the pirates, in a way)

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:05 (four months ago) link

pretty good! i was gonna pick a team to be a fan of based on one of them having 0 fans but if that is not the case i'll just be a fan of all 5 except the cardinals

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:14 (four months ago) link

sorry km ily

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:14 (four months ago) link

if you don't care about the team winning, the pirates are a great team to root for! otherwise i think everyone (outside of this thread and earlnash) is gonna be rooting for the reds this year

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:15 (four months ago) link

xp cardinals nation will never forget your betrayal Will M! I am putting this on the agenda at the next nation meeting

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:15 (four months ago) link

er, my comment about the reds came out weird - i just meant that obv earlnash will be rooting for the reds, and i'd guess most people would generally cheer on the reds this year as well.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 17:17 (four months ago) link

brewers. because i have the hat.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:31 (four months ago) link

the brewers are a big reason i got back into baseball, so they always have a place in my heart. definitely interested in the reds this year, they look exciting, and votto remains an all-time fave. pirates are loveable hard-luck lozars. the cubs........... are a team as are the cardinals. i suppose i'll cheer for 3/5. cc me the minutes from the cards nation meeting!

Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 18:35 (four months ago) link

yelich, brewers nearing $215m extension

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 21:50 (four months ago) link

9 years, apparently

Seems rather team friendly

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 00:32 (four months ago) link

would take him to 37? buys out his last 2 (i think) bargain years he's still under contract for. seems team friendly but at that length there's def some risk.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 01:29 (four months ago) link

its significantly less than Trout, Harper, Stanton, and Machado, even though Yelich was MVP last year and would have been this year if not for a fluke injury with 3 weeks to go

obviously buying out the 2 years is a big deal but still, did not think this guy would go for less than 275m

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 12:48 (four months ago) link

significantly less than Trout, Harper, Stanton, and Machado

and he's far better than the last 3

omar little, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 16:36 (four months ago) link

yeah, brewers just got a decent deal for a franchise player (i think)

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 16:55 (four months ago) link

he was gonna hit free agency at 31, which is significantly older than those guys were. between that and the risk of injury, getting the guarantee seems wise, even if for less

wow, who knew a 'small market' team could afford such a thing

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 16:59 (four months ago) link

sometimes i remember when the Cubs turned aside Greg Maddux bc 5 yrs/$28 million was too much, and instead went for (*checks*) Jose Guzman, Dan Plesac, and Candy Maldonado.

omar little, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 17:01 (four months ago) link

yeah we really have the Marlins to thank for this

frogbs, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 17:09 (four months ago) link

yairo munoz, mediocre utilityman who was lucky to get the chance to play as much as he did the last 2 seasons, quits cardinals and then gets released

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/03/cardinals-release-yairo-munoz.html

The Cardinals announced this morning that theyโ€™ve placed infielder Yairo Munoz on unconditional release waivers. The move leaves an opening on the 40-man roster.

In an important detail, Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch adds that Munoz โ€œleft the team, flew homeโ€ without notifying the Cardinals. Manager Mike Shildt told Goold and other reporters that Munoz frequently complained about playing time last season. Thatโ€™s certainly an interesting twist to the story, and it seems clear that Munoz wasnโ€™t released for any baseball reason, but rather as a result of his own decision to excuse himself from camp.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:15 (four months ago) link

my partner made an observation that seems right: imagine being a very good baseball player that's just not quite good enough, taking it out on other people

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!๐Ÿ˜‚ (Karl Malone), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:15 (four months ago) link

โ€œHeโ€™s got that China virus, honey.โ€ @HarrisonCLee pic.twitter.com/5BIun7lqPn

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 18, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 March 2020 15:10 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

i'm not sure if anyone but bnw remembers mark hamilton, but this is a cool story:

The Major League career of former first baseman/outfielder Mark Hamilton consisted of 47 games with the Cardinals in 2010-11, a brief stint that netted Hamilton a World Series ring for his role in the Cardsโ€™ 2011 championship squad. After being released by the Braves in July 2014, Hamilton stuck to his vow to go to medical school if he wasnโ€™t a big league regular by his 30th birthday, and ESPN.comโ€™s Alden Gonzalez writes that Hamilton is set to officially begin his medical career in June at two New York hospitals โ€œat the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic.โ€ Though Hamilton is trained in interventional radiology, the early days of his six-year residency program will inevitably be focused on helping treat coronavirus patients. While the pandemic has โ€œbeen very eye-opening,โ€ Hamilton said, โ€œI wanted to go into medicine because I really enjoyed caring for people. I enjoy being able to help others when theyโ€™re in their darkest hour, when they need somebody to both support them from a medical side and an emotional side. And Iโ€™m definitely going to be able to do that in my first year.โ€

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 April 2020 23:26 (two months ago) link

You know following the box scores of the Reds 2020 Strat-O-Matic season is about 60% as good as having them actually play. They play about the same.

https://redlegnation.com/category/2020-reds-season-strat-o-matic-simulation/

Standings following the April 27 games:
NL Central WON LOST PCT GB
Cubs 19 10 .655 0
Cardinals 15 14 .517 4
Brewers 13 15 .464 5.5
Reds 13 15 .464 5.5
Pirates 11 18 .379 8

earlnash, Monday, 27 April 2020 22:59 (two months ago) link

I had no idea where else to post this, but this is fantastic:

When my dad became upset at the Cubsโ€™ performance he would write other teams, offering to sign a contract as a free agent fan. Some teams wrote back to him. Here are some of their replies. pic.twitter.com/vNDbbBzMS9

— Don Kostelec (@KostelecPlan) April 30, 2020

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 30 April 2020 15:34 (two months ago) link

ha! that's pretty awesome

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 April 2020 15:47 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

there's a schedule?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:12 (two weeks ago) link

yeah, good question, i'm not sure how Dan Zips did it. They know 40 out of the 60 games will involve division rivals, so 10 each against those teams. the other 20 will be against the corresponding league's division - so 4 each against those teams?

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:14 (two weeks ago) link

Stratomat's standings playing out this season are not too different in the NL Central.

LEAGUE STANDINGS FOR 2020 Strat-O-Matic Season

AL East WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Tampa Bay TBA 50 33 .602 ---- 73
2020 New York (AL) NYA 42 40 .512 7.5
2020 Toronto TOA 38 44 .463 11.5
2020 Boston BOA 38 44 .463 11.5
2020 Baltimore BAA 33 49 .402 16.5

AL Central WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Cleveland CLA 51 31 .622 ---- 73
2020 Kansas City KCA 44 39 .530 7.5
2020 Minnesota MNA 42 41 .506 9.5
2020 Chicago (AL) CHA 38 45 .458 13.5
2020 Detroit DEA 32 50 .390 19.0

AL West WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Houston HOA 54 26 .675 ---- 74
2020 Oakland OAA 47 35 .573 8.0
2020 Los Angeles(AL) LAA 41 40 .506 13.5
2020 Texas TEA 32 51 .386 23.5
2020 Seattle SEA 29 54 .349 26.5

NL East WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Washington WAN 50 32 .610 ---- 75
2020 Atlanta ATN 44 38 .537 6.0
2020 Philadelphia PHN 39 42 .481 10.5
2020 New York (NL) NYN 39 43 .476 11.0
2020 Miami MMN 33 49 .402 17.0

NL Central WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 St. Louis SLN 44 38 .537 ---- 81
2020 Milwaukee MLN 42 38 .525 1.0
2020 Chicago (NL) CHN 43 39 .524 1.0
2020 Cincinnati CIN 40 42 .488 4.0
2020 Pittsburgh PIN 34 47 .420 9.5

NL West WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Los Angeles(NL) LAN 53 29 .646 ---- 73
2020 San Diego SDN 45 37 .549 8.0
2020 Arizona ARN 41 41 .500 12.0
2020 Colorado CON 39 42 .481 13.5
2020 San Francisco SFN 32 50 .390 21.0


AL Wild Card Standings WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 Oakland OAA 47 35 .573 ---- 76
2020 Kansas City KCA 44 39 .530 ---- 79
2020 New York (AL) NYA 42 40 .512 1.5
2020 Los Angeles(AL) LAA 41 40 .506 2.0
2020 Minnesota MNA 42 41 .506 2.0
2020 Toronto TOA 38 44 .463 5.5
2020 Boston BOA 38 44 .463 5.5

NL Wild Card Standings WON LOST PCT GB MAGIC#
2020 San Diego SDN 45 37 .549 ---- 80
2020 Atlanta ATN 44 38 .537 ---- 81
2020 Milwaukee MLN 42 38 .525 1.0
2020 Chicago (NL) CHN 43 39 .524 1.0
2020 Arizona ARN 41 41 .500 3.0
2020 Cincinnati CIN 40 42 .488 4.0

earlnash, Friday, 26 June 2020 21:11 (two weeks ago) link

If I am wrong, I'm wrong but the last two times MLB had some work stoppage, the Reds were just good enough to get screwed out of playoff spot.

Last ride of the Big Red Machine in 81 in the strike year somehow got the best record in baseball and did not make the playoffs because of the weird split season playoff setup.

In the shortened 94 season, the Reds were freakin' crusin' at 66-49 when the season stopped and then got swept by the Braves in NL Championship '95 when they won it all. First two games of the sweep went into extra innings...oh well.

earlnash, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:13 (two days ago) link


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