― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 January 2020 12:09 (one year ago) link
dang, i just saw this. here's jaffe's piece: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/imperfect-but-for-one-afternoon-don-larsen-1929-2020/
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 January 2020 15:51 (one year ago) link
ed sprague sr, 74
pretty bad pitcher, apart from a solid 1974 campaign with milwaukee
was the orioles scout who signed mike mussina
― mookieproof, Friday, 10 January 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link
Jr. hit a very memorable WS home run.
― clemenza, Friday, 10 January 2020 18:26 (one year ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 16:01 (one year ago) link
Royals owner/Walmart boss David Glass
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 15:20 (one year ago) link
Just spoke with Mets star Jeff McNeil, who played for John Altobelli, one of the victims of the Calabasas helicopter crash, who managed Brewster in the Cape Cod League in 2012.Said McNeil: "He's one of the main reasons I’m still playing professional baseball.”— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 26, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:11 (one year ago) link
roger kahn, author of 'the boys of summer', 92
― mookieproof, Friday, 7 February 2020 17:12 (one year ago) link
RIP Rog, even tho ten was probably a little young for me to read the book
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:45 (one year ago) link
I really need to read "The Boys of Summer" again after 30 years.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 10 February 2020 09:12 (one year ago) link
japanese legend katsuya nomura, 84
catcher who played 26 seasons, hitting .277/.357/.508 with 657 homers (second to oh). also managed for 24 years
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 03:18 (one year ago) link
tony fernandez, 57
― mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 07:35 (one year ago) link
He was so good his first couple of seasons; looked like he was going to be right up there with Ripken and Yount before long. (Probably less impressive analytically, but that was barely around then.) He never stayed at that level, but he had a long, solid career, and his return to the Jays for the '93 WS team was great. So young.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 13:04 (one year ago) link
Forgot he was the fourth player in the Carter/Alomar for McGriff/Fernandez trade in 1990. Has there been a bigger-name trade since? I know Alomar hadn't flourished yet, but James had already identified him as a future superstar--I still remember his Alomar entry in The Baseball Book a year or two earlier, where he wrote "GET ROBERTO ALOMAR" whether you were a fantasy player or card collector or whatever. So you had Alomar, one of the 10 best hitters in the game in McGriff, the wildly-overrated-in-retrospect but big-name and big-RBI-guy Carter, and Fernandez, who was still thought of as a possible/probable Hall of Famer. Don't recall a bigger one since, or at least not between two teams--there've been some multi-team transactions along those lines.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:52 (one year ago) link
Yeah three guys who at their peaks were HOF type talents (one already in, one who will be, and a third in Fernandez who despite maybe never reaching his potential finished with an impressive career WAR due to those early seasons and late career renaissance) and a fourth who was not great but a solid bat in his best years.
― omar little, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:21 (one year ago) link
So young, I didn't know he was sick. I always think of him as the 22 year old phenom and potential best SS in the game from the '85 division winners. Many people probably remember him as the guy whose error might have given away the '97 WS. Each of his stints with the Jays was memorable in some way. He's one of my favourite players ever and I'm really sorry to hear of his passing.
And yes, that 1990 trade was perhaps the last of its kind. It wasn't about big market vs small market teams, or trying to get value for players before they test free agency, or tanking/rebuilding to prepare for the future. It was a straight up challenge trade of four star players. There may never be another one like it again.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:46 (one year ago) link
And there was a perfect symmetry to the trade in that the Jays got the best and the least of the four, and the Padres got the middle two guys--things could have gone either way, and if Alomar hadn't developed (which in turn got the Jays over the hump, which brought in Winfield and Molitor, all of which made Carter look better than he was), it could have been a terrible trade for Toronto.
― clemenza, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:54 (one year ago) link
Olerud being able to replace McGriff was a big part of that deal too. iirc he went straight from collage ball to the majors. that aspect was definitely a risk aswell.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 16 February 2020 21:21 (one year ago) link
orrin freeman, who had been a scout/farm director/special assistant to the gm for the marlins since their inception in 1991
― mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:56 (one year ago) link
NY/SF Giants ace Johnny Antonelli
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 February 2020 07:26 (one year ago) link
yankees' kelly rodman, one of very few female scouts in the game
not sure of the cause, but she was only ~40
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 19:29 (one year ago) link
Jimmy Wynn was posted in the ILX thread, but he should get one here too.
I was a full-fledged Reds fan by '74, so I remember the phenomenal start the Dodgers had that year.
end of April: 17-6end of May: 36-14end of June: 52-24
Still, the Reds almost caught them, only finishing 4.0 out (they were within a game-and-a-half on Sept. 14). I thought Wynn had the same kind of start, but not quite: phenomenal May, surrounded by three good but not spectacular months (and a slow August/September). Really good year overall, though (it was a pitcher's year, I think), and he was 5th in MVP voting, finishing well ahead of winner Garvey and runner-up Brock in WAR (and basically tied with Bench, who finished 4th). Weird: spending the bulk of his career in the Astrodome and Chez Ravine, I just assumed he got killed by his home parks, but for his career he was .256/.376/.443 at home, .245/.355/.429 on the road. One of the great nicknames ever, and one of those guys who was a walking machine before anybody cared.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 March 2020 14:04 (one year ago) link
RIP Toy Cannon
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 March 2020 22:32 (one year ago) link
We mourn the death of Ed Farmer who passed away Wednesday night.Farmer worked as a radio broadcaster for the Chicago White Sox for nearly 30 years, played 11 seasons in the major leagues, including three with his hometown White Sox, and was a strong advocate for organ donation. pic.twitter.com/wx7itjfEYk— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) April 2, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 2 April 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link
al kaline, 85
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:44 (one year ago) link
That's a big one. As I just posted on Facebook, though, of all the famous HOF'ers who played most of their careers in the '60s, I have less of a sense of Kaline than any of them.
― clemenza, Monday, 6 April 2020 20:58 (one year ago) link
I remember seeing him on TV at the end of his career.
per Ben Lindbergh on EW, Kaline had the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 April 2020 14:19 (one year ago) link
There is a lot of love coming out in the articles about Al Kaline, that guy seems to have been well liked by seemingly everyone. I knew him from baseball cards as a kid, but that he was supposed to be the real deal as a player good all the way around.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 16:40 (one year ago) link
the most career HR (399) w/out ever hitting 30 in a year
I'd say that pinpoints his relative anonymity outside of Detroit better than anything.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:45 (one year ago) link
(By which I mean next to Mays, Aaron, Clemente, Yaz, etc.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 17:46 (one year ago) link
Yaz is a pretty good comparison in a lot of ways -- Kaline didn't have nearly the same peak, but both spent most of their career operating not at that superstar peak but at a slightly lower tier of stardom in terms of production. Similar to Cal Ripken and Brett, I guess -- a couple other members of the 20+ seasons with one team club. Kaline also didn't have the same level of fame as any of those guys, probably just a matter of him not having a single season with truly eye-popping counting stats.
disappointing that he never played catcher even for just an inning, would have been cool for Al Kaline to be part of a battery.
― omar little, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:30 (one year ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 April 2020 18:33 (one year ago) link
No dad jokes on the obit thread?
I was going to say he was one of the few players of his caliber where it could be argued his best season was his first full one, but his age 20 season (didn’t turn 21 til December of that year) was actually his second full one.
― omar little, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 00:53 (one year ago) link
no, it was solid
tbf, he made 18 all-star games, so *someone* recognized he was good
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 01:45 (one year ago) link
I quoted the battery line on Facebook!
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:22 (one year ago) link
Kaline was definitely highly thought of by other players. All-Star voting wasn't handed over to fans until 1970; I assume all those AS appearances were voted on by players?
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 02:26 (one year ago) link
Brooks Robinson said he was the best he played against
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:18 (one year ago) link
gen believed he forsook some power for average and walks
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:57 (one year ago) link
Al Kaline’s family put a “regular” obit in the Sunday @freep. By blending in, it’s an example of how one-of-a-kind he really was. pic.twitter.com/CR7ej9aZAT— Matt Friedman (@mattfrieds) April 12, 2020
― Andy K, Sunday, 12 April 2020 16:06 (one year ago) link
One of those random stats that will stick in my mind forever: he hit .340 one year, when Rod Carew was the only second baseman who did that. (Okay, I checked--.342.)
― clemenza, Monday, 13 April 2020 00:49 (one year ago) link
hank steinbrenner, 63, non-covid-related
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:59 (one year ago) link
jim frey, 88
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 18:50 (one year ago) link
Within a few months of Tony Fernandez, Dámaso García.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 April 2020 18:30 (one year ago) link
RIP I remember being super bummed as a 9 or 10-yr old when he was included in that Chambliss trade
And being down on Rick Cerone
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 21:40 (one year ago) link
Steve Dalkowski, a wild left-hander who was said to have been dubbed "the fastest pitcher in baseball history" by Ted Williams, died this week in New Britain, Connecticut. He was 80.Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
Dalkowski, who once struck out 24 batters in a minor league game -- and walked 18 -- never made it to the big leagues.
Writer-director Ron Shelton, who spent five years in the Orioles farm system, heard about Dalkowski's exploits and based the character Nuke Laloosh in 'Bull Durham' on the pitcher.
― mookieproof, Friday, 24 April 2020 18:31 (one year ago) link
The A's are mourning the loss of former Athletic minor leaguer Miguel Marte, who passed away earlier this week due to complications from COVID-19. Marte played in the A's system from 2008-2012. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends.https://t.co/PV7UEuAuvL pic.twitter.com/mVeLdOUciU— Oakland A's (@Athletics) May 1, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 May 2020 19:41 (one year ago) link
journeyman Matt Keough, AL All-Star as a rookie in 1978 & was selected AL Comeback Player of the Year in 1980, both for the A's.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 3 May 2020 23:39 (one year ago) link
Tonight my dad and hero Bob Watson has passed away after a long fight with kidney disease.. #Astros #Yankees #RedSox #Braves #Athletics #USABAseball #MLB #1stBlackGM pic.twitter.com/obKe1mwJYc— K Dubb (@TheReal_KDubb) May 15, 2020
― Andy K, Friday, 15 May 2020 12:45 (one year ago) link
Understand that I realize why, but Watson was the very definition of what James called "the RBI guy with mystique," something you can't have in the era of analytics.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 May 2020 15:10 (one year ago) link
a true master of the fuckin language of baseball
― mookieproof, Friday, 8 January 2021 16:59 (eight months ago) link
Kurt Bevacqua! Last hit ever off Jim Bouton. (Not sure if that was MLB or the minors, and it may have been before Bouton's late-'70s comeback.)
Someone's death is the time to say something nice, so: while I hated Lasorda's rah-rah cheerleading while he was active, the one time I appreciated him was some interview I saw during the '94 strike, when he seemed, to me, truly and poignantly distraught by what was happening.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 January 2021 17:17 (eight months ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:32 (eight months ago) link
2020 can stop any minute now.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 21:51 (eight months ago) link
17 seasons of at least 2.0 bWAR
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:15 (eight months ago) link
Biggest of all.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 15:36 (seven months ago) link
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 16:52 (seven months ago) link
RIP Hank Aaron
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:15 (seven months ago) link
It's been said a million times before, but his level of consistency was something. He never had a season of 10+ WAR like Mays and Ruth and Bonds, but starting in 1955, his second season, and carrying through to 1971, when he was 37, he had an almost unbroken string of years between 6.0-10.0. The only year that fell short was 1970. That was an offensive boom year, so he would have been downgraded a bit for that, but in 1970 he hit 38 HR, knocked in 118, and had a slash line of .298/.385/.574--and that, as measured by bWAR, was his worst season. (Never struck out 100 times in a season.)
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:24 (seven months ago) link
still jarring seeing random fans rush him when he was rounding the bases on his 715th after all the death threats he'd been getting
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:29 (seven months ago) link
I'll never forget those two teenagers (both white) who circled the bases with him. Aaron has said he was convinced they were there to kill him. They were just excited!
Probably an easy question by now, but do you remember who caught 715?
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:33 (seven months ago) link
^otm to both of those posts^
i mostly know him through his stats. i've watched a few old games in which he played or appeared (like all-star games), but wish i would of had a chance to just sit at a game and watch what guys like him do in between plays, in the dugout, with fellow players and the like. but yes, a model of consistent high-level performance (and durability, it seems), just unbelievable.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:34 (seven months ago) link
sorry, xp to mookie's post and clemenza's above that
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:35 (seven months ago) link
yeah he was a bit before my time, so i only know him as a legend. and the stats are just . . . we're in here arguing about bobby abreu and scott rolen and aaron was like both of them put together with room left over
tbh i think i first learned about what he went through via snoopy: http://wezen-ball.com/2009-articles/a-rod-aaron-and-snoopy.html
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:45 (seven months ago) link
Those two guys always crack me up:
I thought 715 was his first swing of the season, but it wasn't. There's some story there involving four-pitch walk beforehand--maybe 714 was his first.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:53 (seven months ago) link
the nyt obituary is excellent, with a heavy slant towards his experiences with racism. a towering figure, who apparently never liked being called "hank." so r.i.p. henry aaron, a true all-time great.
― voodoo chili, Friday, 22 January 2021 17:56 (seven months ago) link
using first names that '60s black baseball players didn't like seems to have been a thing, wonder what that's about
― mookieproof, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:04 (seven months ago) link
I knew about Clemente's and Dick Allen's pushback, but I didn't know Aaron shared that. I've always called him Hank, but I'll change that. Weird that the Times wouldn't amend their headline!
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:09 (seven months ago) link
hard to reverse 60+ years of sports page colloquialism
― voodoo chili, Friday, 22 January 2021 18:12 (seven months ago) link
Clemenza, the WaPo obit has your answer:
The Dodgers’ pitcher was left-hander Al Downing, who wore the same uniform number as Mr. Aaron, 44. On a 1-0 count, Downing threw a slider that caught too much of the plate, and Mr. Aaron unloaded a blast that carried over the head of Dodgers left fielder Bill Buckner and into the Braves’ bullpen, where it was caught by relief pitcher Tom House.
RIP Hank Aaron.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Friday, 22 January 2021 18:40 (seven months ago) link
That's it. It's a great trivia answer--I think he rode that small bit of fame for the rest of his career and many years beyond as a coach. (Highly respected, I think.) I was reading his Wikipedia page and never knew this: "House has admitted to using anabolic steroids in the 1970s making him one of the earliest players to admit to using performance-enhancing drugs...House has stated that 'six or seven' pitchers on every major league staff in the 1970s were 'fiddling' with steroids or human growth hormone." He even tweeted today:
Hank Aaron changed my life. The greatest moment I ever got to be a part of was catching 715. That moment bonded us forever as friends and teammates. My heart hurts today to learn of his passing. We watched Hank shrug off the weight of the world and just keep swinging.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 19:29 (seven months ago) link
I was at a Jays vs Braves game in T.O. and Aaron was honoured in a special ceremony before the game. That was the only time I "saw" him. Where can you even start with Aaron? He was the very definition of an inner circle HOF. I have never heard a bad word spoken about him. He was the model of consistency, excellence, and grace under pressure. Why did it take 25 years (after his retirement) to name an award after this guy?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 22 January 2021 20:42 (seven months ago) link
Until Bonds (who had a nice tweet today) came along, Aaron's 1973 season was my frame of reference for preternaturally great old-guy seasons. 40 HR in 392 AB for a 39-year-old? It was like science-fiction. And that was the heyday of all those future 300-game winners: Seaver, Carlton, Niekro, and Sutton were all active in the NL.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 22:25 (seven months ago) link
This is great!.
I want to find a similar piece now on the two people holding up the sign on the back of Kiss's Alive!.
― clemenza, Friday, 22 January 2021 22:38 (seven months ago) link
Every living president...almost.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 January 2021 22:54 (seven months ago) link
i haven't heard a word from trump since he fucked off, and i want to keep that going as long as possible
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:10 (seven months ago) link
― mookieproof, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:12 (seven months ago) link
For sure. I have to admit, I love how the five of them will be making the other one look bad without even trying.
― clemenza, Saturday, 23 January 2021 23:14 (seven months ago) link
utility man ron johnson, 64
played 22 games over three seasons with the royals and expos in the early '80s, then won 1752 games over 24 seasons as a minor league manager. he was the red sox's bench coach in 2010-2011
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:37 (seven months ago) link
damn, wrong Ron Johnson. RIP utility man ron johnson
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:40 (seven months ago) link
he was the red sox's bench coach in 2010-2011
first base coach according to Youkilis' tribute.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:41 (seven months ago) link
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 January 2021 19:46 (seven months ago) link
grant jackson, 78. winner of game seven of the 1979 world series
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 15:42 (seven months ago) link
I remember him as part of the great Orioles '71 staff. (Don't hate me: '79 was my first year at university--don't think I watched an inning of the '79 Series!)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 18:23 (seven months ago) link
ESPN remembers SportsCenter reporter Pedro Gomez, who passed away unexpectedly today at the age of 58.https://t.co/0Q75PlBEvG pic.twitter.com/4B5r7OG9Ni— ESPN PR (@ESPNPR) February 8, 2021
― Andy K, Monday, 8 February 2021 03:27 (seven months ago) link
ugh that sucks, always liked him ever since he was on the barry bonds beat
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 8 February 2021 03:32 (seven months ago) link
joe altobelli, 88
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 March 2021 18:21 (six months ago) link
Ray Miller, former Orioles manager and longtime pitching coach, dies https://t.co/votxYjQtE7— Baltimore Sun Sports (@BaltSunSports) May 5, 2021
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 May 2021 18:42 (four months ago) link
Mookie must have missed this: Rennie Stennett.
First thing I thought of was "lost his job to Willie Randolph," but he actually drew MVP votes in a couple of seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:27 (three months ago) link
Did I ever have that backwards...Randolph was only with the Pirates for one season. Stennett was why they traded him away, part of the Dock for Doc trade.
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 12:30 (three months ago) link
Fading 45-year-old memories...I think I have it straight now. Without checking again, the Pirates had Dave Cash at second base, he goes to the Phillies, then they're left with two promising young guys, and they picked the wrong one (albeit a good player).
― clemenza, Friday, 21 May 2021 15:37 (three months ago) link
i did miss that about rennie stennett, thanks
Sad report: Cy Young winner and pitching iconoclast Mike Marshall of the Dodgers has passed away at 78, according to @Think_BlueLA. https://t.co/BWccBx8iNi— Jon Weisman (@jonweisman) June 1, 2021
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 18:32 (three months ago) link
What a character--one of the many reasons to read Ball Four. (Probably no one in the book garnered as much respect from Bouton.) I remember his Cy Young season very well, or at least the commotion over whether or not he'd pitch in 100 games. (Same year as the commotion over Lou Brock and the SB record; we loved to count things then, and we especially loved the number 100.) By WAR, Niekro should have won the Cy going away; compared to some of the other relief CYs given out, though, he wasn't the worst pick ever. His best years were his last two with the Expos.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:14 (three months ago) link
Actually, his best year came later with the Twins.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 1 June 2021 19:15 (three months ago) link
jim ‘mudcat’ grant, 85
― mookieproof, Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:14 (three months ago) link
According to a MLB source former #Astros star JR Richard passed away last night in a Houston hospital at the age of 71. JR played for the Astros from 1971-1980. Led the National League in strikeouts in 1978 & 1979. Led the NL in ERA in 1979 and made the All-Star Team in 1980.— Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26) August 5, 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 5 August 2021 17:28 (one month ago) link
― clemenza, Friday, 6 August 2021 20:26 (one month ago) link
covid-related, I see.
― Read between the lines Zach (Karl Malone), Friday, 6 August 2021 20:35 (one month ago) link
Bill Freehan, 1968 World Series champion and 11-time all-star
One of my coaches played with him and a bunch of friends/ex-teammates/adversaries played for him (all at Michigan). Seemed beloved without exception.
― Andy K, Friday, 20 August 2021 00:24 (one month ago) link
Bill James responding to a question about him today: "He was pretty obviously the best catcher of the 1960s, he is a reasonable Hall of Fame candidate, and that team should have won several more pennants, at least." My dad and I drove in to see a couple of Tigers' games in the mid-'70s, so there's a chance I saw him play.
― clemenza, Saturday, 21 August 2021 00:58 (four weeks ago) link