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The #Astros stole signs electronically in 2017 - part of a much broader issue for Major League Baseball. Story with @EvanDrellich. https://t.co/VyS35fDT5D

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 12, 2019

Astros using cameras to steal signs, a breakdown pic.twitter.com/rncm6qzXxw

— Jomboy (@Jomboy_) November 12, 2019

Astros hitters led baseball with the lowest strikeout rate and highest walk rate ... that just doesn't happen https://t.co/AL3ifbha1c

— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) November 12, 2019

the K% to BB% pic.twitter.com/GRKCwS2O8o

— Jonathan Drake (@JonathanDrake) November 12, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:38 (four months ago) link

would be interesting to see some analysis on that last graph to see whether or not it really is that significant of an outlier

kind of amusing in retrospect given all the talk about how unlikely it was for the Astros to lose 4 consecutive home games in the World Series. maybe the Nats figured it out.

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 21:47 (four months ago) link

don't have a sub to The Athletic but apparently Mike Fiers confirming it's true? this seems like kind of a huge deal

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:00 (four months ago) link

Forfit WS title feels fair.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 23:49 (four months ago) link

your predictable 'cheating is actually good' take

So the Astros really have been using technology to steal signs, according to The Athletic. As I've written before, that's fine by me.

It shouldn't be considered illegal or unethical. It should be considered smart and savvy.

My column from the playoffs: https://t.co/AhLibqSK8i

— Jason Foster (@ByJasonFoster) November 12, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 00:22 (four months ago) link

this would be thread connections gold if anybody had ILBB on their SNA

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 00:34 (four months ago) link

as Billy Martin and Gaylord Perry would say, it's only cheating if you get caught

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:05 (four months ago) link

you all read that '51 Giants book, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:06 (four months ago) link

oh my seeking a dodgy edge in baseball, I am getting the vapors

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 November 2019 02:25 (four months ago) link

if you've got a runner on second relaying signs, i have no problem with that. non-players using expressly forbidden technology to do so is a different story

i don't watch sports to see who can cheat most cleverly

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 03:14 (four months ago) link

Astros were 60-21 at home by the way

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 November 2019 14:58 (four months ago) link

crazy! wonder of mlb will have the balls to actually dish out actual punishment here.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:33 (four months ago) link

yep i envision another Mets managerial search

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 November 2019 19:34 (four months ago) link

In 1900, Reds shortstop Tommy Corcoran grew concerned about how Phillies third-base coach Petie Chiles planted his foot in the same spot for every pitch at Baker Bowl in Philadelphia. Corcoran ran to the spot and began digging. He found a small wooden box with a buzzer attached to a long wire. The wire led to the Phillies’ clubhouse in centerfield, where Phillies infielder Morgan Murphy was using binoculars to steal the catcher’s signs. Murphy would pass along the signs with a Morse-like code: one buzz for a fastball, two for a curve and three for a changeup. Chiles could feel the buzzes with his foot, and he relayed the message to the hitter what was coming.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/11/13/houston-astros-sign-stealing

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 15 November 2019 11:59 (four months ago) link

In the first link of the Astros' front office to the sign-stealing scandal, Kevin Goldstein, a special assistant to Houston GM Jeff Luhnow, suggested in an email scouts spy on dugouts before the playoffs -- and potentially use cameras to get signs. News: https://t.co/fmr3kB1KhQ

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) November 17, 2019

Andy K, Sunday, 17 November 2019 12:46 (four months ago) link

shoulda stayed at Baseball Prospectus I guess

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:28 (four months ago) link

It is pretty hilarious to make a big deal about using all this statistical information in decision making and then turn around and then "just put someone out in centerfield so we can steal some signs" ends up being the topper of the plan. Moneyball indeed.

earlnash, Monday, 18 November 2019 00:58 (four months ago) link

Cheating is the new market inefficiency!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 18 November 2019 13:31 (four months ago) link

Wonder if the Astros' tanking years made it so that not winning was not an option and pushed ownership/management to green light this sort of behaviour. I always believed it was going to get ugly when you have 5-6 fanbases that are going realize that 3 seasons of straight tanking is going to be for naught and I circle back to the absolute chaos it would be in Houston if they didn't pull it off. Plus, the whole tanking to be great narrative the Astros/Cubs installed has served MLB so well.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 November 2019 19:04 (four months ago) link

Pro sports in general is pretty much a clown college these days. They could really just get rid of a 1/3 of the teams in each league and probably have a better TV product in the end.

I think pro baseball is a bit of a paper card house as I just don't see how the money adds up anymore in the game. It just does not seem to be that popular yet the money keeps going up, seems like an economic bubble waiting to pop.

earlnash, Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:20 (four months ago) link

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/08/26/baseball-popularity/38a84a9487efa373cf8bf6b9cf6546https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2019/08/26/baseball-popularity/38a84a9487efa373cf8bf6b9cf654688fb4703c2/attendance_tg-300.jpg

According to Nielsen ratings:

In 2019, 12 of the 29 United States-based major league teams were the most popular prime-time broadcast in their market.

An additional seven teams ranked in the top three in prime time.

On cable, 24 major league teams ranked first in their market in prime time.

M.L.B. ranked first over all on cable in every major league market in the United States except Miami.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/22/sports/baseball/baseball-popularity-world-series.html

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 19 November 2019 01:35 (four months ago) link

good EW episode w/ Paul Dickson on sign stealing thru the ages

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/effectively-wild-episode-1459-the-history-of-sign-stealing/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:06 (four months ago) link

Someone edited the 2017 #WorldSeries Wikipedia page and awarded the World Series MVP to....the #Astros centerfield camera man. #MLB #Dodgers pic.twitter.com/S6x8q4R3Fd

— Matt Johnson (@MattJ_Sports) November 21, 2019

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 22 November 2019 13:07 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

whoa

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB’s penalties for #Astros include:

*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.

*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and ‘21.

*A fine of $5M.

Full story and more context with @EvanDrellich: https://t.co/djvKEYFiC7

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 13, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 18:57 (two months ago) link

i'm assuming Luhnow and Hinch can't/won't appeal?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:04 (two months ago) link

alex cora's gonna get nuked too

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:07 (two months ago) link

and Beltran?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:07 (two months ago) link

beltran will skate because he was a player at the time, and apparently they're not going after the players

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:10 (two months ago) link

NICE

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:18 (two months ago) link

🥃🐸 pic.twitter.com/vP5A0s59uT

— Trevor Bauer (@BauerOutage) January 13, 2020

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:21 (two months ago) link

wow. honestly i haven't followed all of this very closely. i knew it was serious, but didn't realize the penalties would be like this.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:23 (two months ago) link

the question is what if we know about 3 more teams come April

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:24 (two months ago) link

Didn't think Manfred had the stomach for it tbh

losing those draft picks is no joke, even if you're picking 30th

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:25 (two months ago) link

if the red sox investigation uncovers anything at all, i think cora might get a lifetime ban

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:30 (two months ago) link

In no way did I think there'd be a penalty with teeth, wow.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:34 (two months ago) link

Sweep your own front porch or damage your own dugout monitor.

Andy K, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:39 (two months ago) link

Jim Crane says Jeff Luhnow and A.J. Hinch have been dismissed.

— Jake Kaplan (@jakemkaplan) January 13, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 20:05 (two months ago) link

Wow. Manfred also went after the Astros’ baseball ops culture. He called it "very problematic” and “insular” and "one that valued and rewarded results over other considerations.” I am surprised he would make those points so bluntly in this report.

— Marc Carig (@MarcCarig) January 13, 2020

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 20:09 (two months ago) link

i knew if i saved this picture on my phone that one day the perfect news cycle would hit pic.twitter.com/tKAuxiZVxB

— ric sanchez (@ricsanchez) January 13, 2020

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:29 (two months ago) link

a lot of people (online) think this still didn't go far enough – but daym if this isn't much harsher than i was expecting!
esp glad Taubman got spanked hard.

can't wait to see what they do to Cora, he may very well get the worst of it.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:42 (two months ago) link

well Luhnow is likely done in baseball so it's hard to sketch 'worse'

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:45 (two months ago) link

anyone could hire him on, in theory, after his suspension tho.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:52 (two months ago) link

less likely than Hinch i think

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:17 (two months ago) link

luhnow 'accepts responsibility' but was clueless; it was all the fault of 'lower-level employees' and alex cora

Here is Jeff Luhnow's full statement, his first response to today's news. pic.twitter.com/9AbDFEtkbP

— Jared Diamond (@jareddiamond) January 13, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:52 (two months ago) link

Happy new year “bro”. I hope this year you find happiness, clearly the most miserable soul on this app. GOD BLESS ❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️❄️ https://t.co/w4kxR4Ejya

— Lance McCullers Jr. (@LMcCullers43) January 13, 2020

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:43 (two months ago) link

according to passan, crane is also lying

Then came the 2018 postseason. During the American League Division Series, a man named Kyle McLaughlin, whom Crane brought into the Astros organization, was caught pointing a cellphone toward the Cleveland Indians' dugout from an on-field camera well. He was removed from the area. The Indians warned the Astros' AL Championship Series opponent, the Boston Red Sox, about McLaughlin, and during Game 1 of the ALCS, he was again removed from a camera well next to the dugout.

I wrote a story about the McLaughlin incidents, and in it, I reported that the Oakland A's had accused the Astros of relaying pitch types to batters during an August series. Further, I reported, two major league players had said they witnessed the Astros hitting a trash can in the dugout as a way to alert hitters.

Again: This was in 2018, more than a year before Crane claims he learned of the issue. The day after the story was published, Crane told another reporter to leave McLaughlin's name out of his story. Clearly Crane knew that a story about McLaughlin had been written. Either he learned of the story's details or avoided them altogether. The former would make him a liar. The latter would make him an owner who ignores potentially injurious information about his billion-dollar business.

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 16:55 (one month ago) link

the classic question: is he a dumbass, is he a liar, or is he a dumbass liar

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Friday, 14 February 2020 17:32 (one month ago) link

day-um

You can see how visibly pissed Cody Bellinger is when talking about the Astros pic.twitter.com/QUXiNwzbxd

— Blake Harris (@BlakeHarrisTBLA) February 14, 2020

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 14 February 2020 18:54 (one month ago) link

How many bench-clearing brawls for the Astros this year? Assume teams will be coming for them.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:25 (one month ago) link

yep it's gonna be a long year for Houston

omar little, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:30 (one month ago) link

lol

The Houston Astros and their 'handling' of the sign-stealing scandal has led some SoCal Little League groups to ban the team from their names. Like in Long Beach: 'Parents are disgusted ... with the Astros and their lack of ownership and accountability.' https://t.co/Ox49MKZjNP

— Brian Martin (@TheBMartin) February 14, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 19:54 (one month ago) link

The internet is undefeated...🤣💀 pic.twitter.com/uIj1wt1W3w

— Rex Chapman🏇🏼 (@RexChapman) February 14, 2020

Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Friday, 14 February 2020 20:10 (one month ago) link

disappointing they don't play the Dodgers in the regular season but they do have a September series at Yankees Stadium which is probably gonna get pretty rowdy

frogbs, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:18 (one month ago) link

I mean every Yankees fan probably believes 100% that the ALCS walkoff vs. Chapman was illegitimate

frogbs, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:19 (one month ago) link

I was referring to the question about Crane taking personal responsibility for any of this. Whether he knew about the cheating or not, Manfred let him off the hook, and he can claim that the guilty parties have been punished. There's not a single owner in baseball that would admit to anything more if placed on the same situation.

The fact that he botched his message during his press conference is another thing entirely.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:25 (one month ago) link

Fresh walk up music for Jose

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0P6zEU_G9v4

omar little, Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:16 (one month ago) link

this is really not going well. manfred was super pissy today about media reporting on it

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:57 (one month ago) link

The Braves' organist can be pretty sassy with opposing-player walkup music -- last time I saw them it was against the Astros and he used both "It's a Small World" and the Muppet Show theme for Altuve. My money's on heavy use of "Bang the Drum All Day" when they play in September.

Miami weisse (WmC), Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:07 (one month ago) link

Only caught tweets of like every manfred answer at the press conference but every single one makes him sound like more of a scumbag

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 17 February 2020 00:28 (one month ago) link

What a slippery little weasel

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 17 February 2020 00:29 (one month ago) link

Selig was a different sort of transparent weasel

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 February 2020 01:44 (one month ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3LM2iQ8p7A

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 17 February 2020 02:26 (one month ago) link

Carlos Correa has the Jesus lines^

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 17 February 2020 02:27 (one month ago) link

I never in a million years thought I would ever miss Commissioner Bud Selig.

To be clear, I don't miss Commissioner Bud Selig. But I'm not sure he could have handled this crisis any worse.

— Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) February 16, 2020

mookieproof, Monday, 17 February 2020 04:28 (one month ago) link

lol astros

Astros pitcher Francis Martes suspended 162 games without pay after testing positive for Boldenone, a performance-enhancing drug. He was previously suspended for a similar violation in March.

— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) February 17, 2020

Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Monday, 17 February 2020 22:38 (one month ago) link

Atlanta Braves outfielder Nick Markakis has joined the chorus blasting the Houston Astros over their sign-stealing scandal, telling reporters "every single guy over there needs a beating."

"It's anger," Markakis told reporters of his reaction to the Astros' scandal and the ensuing response. "I feel like every single guy over there needs a beating. It's wrong. They're messing with people's careers."

Markakis did not elaborate on what would constitute a "beating." At least two pitchers have indicated that they would consider throwing at Astros batters, and William Hill sportsbook set an over/under of 83.5 for Houston hit-by-pitches in 2020, a number that would rank as one of the 10 highest in the previous five seasons.

omar little, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:52 (one month ago) link

that would be a fun over to put your entire life savings on

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 21:19 (one month ago) link

lol now lebron is weighing in

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 22:35 (one month ago) link

Love this Justin Turner quote: “Calling the World Series trophy a piece of metal, I mean, I don’t know if the commissioner has ever won anything in his life. Maybe he hasn’t. But the reason every guy is in this room, the reason every guy is working out all offseason and showing up to camp early and putting in all the time and effort is specifically for that trophy, which, by the way, is called the Commissioner’s Trophy. So for him to devalue it the way he did yesterday tells me how out of touch he is with the players in this game. At this point, the only thing devaluing that trophy is that it says ‘Commissioner’ on it.”

Miami weisse (WmC), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:01 (one month ago) link

it's pretty crazy to see baseball players talking like this about the league, never seen that before

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:09 (one month ago) link

good turner quote.

i think the players' outspokenness is a combo of (obviously) the scale of what the astros did and their idiotic communications to the public afterward, the upcoming bargaining agreement negotiations, and (going out on a limb here) possibly a greater level of awareness of labor issues in general.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:13 (one month ago) link

it is pretty wild

KM otm, i think it's just that teams work very hard to implement systems of signals and strategy and even when guys uh "organically" or "artisanally" try to steal a sign here and there they'll get a ball in and high next time up. or god forbid a guy should try to break up a no hitter with a certain type of hit.

also for the Astros to have a team-wide communications system means the gloves are really off now. other teams feel like they were totally duped by these guys.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:26 (one month ago) link

it's not the conspiracy, it's the coverup

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:35 (one month ago) link

i think it was turner who also mentioned that a) teams having to constantly change signs/have meetings creates pace-of-play issues much bigger than intentional walks, and b) being a pitcher who ends up standing 55 feet away from a hitter who knows what's coming is fucking dangerous

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:37 (one month ago) link

when will the first Astros beanball game occur? Do they play Saturday?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 17:48 (one month ago) link

does it count as a beanball if someone in the stands threw it?

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 18:27 (one month ago) link

home saturday vs the nats
split squad at the nats on sunday
full squad at the tigers on monday

interestingly they do not play the yankees -- guess the atlantic/gulf coasts are largely separate

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 18:56 (one month ago) link

Some organizations might be aided by their own limitations. The video room at Oakland Coliseum resides a significant distance from the dugout, former Athletics pitcher Brett Anderson mentioned.

“I know the A’s weren’t cheating,” said Anderson, who signed with Milwaukee this winter. “Because, one, I don’t know if they could afford it. And to relay from fucking 300 yards away in the video room? What were we going to do, get some vendor to throw some popcorn up in the air, or something? It’s too fucking far to relay something.”

Anderson joked the only way for Oakland to communicate would be through the ballpark’s decaying infrastructure. “The lights go out, it’s a curveball,” Anderson said. “If there’s a sewage backup, it’s a fastball.”

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 February 2020 17:48 (one month ago) link

haha that rules

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 February 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

Off-topic but it was SO WEIRD when both Anderson AND Trevor Cahill came back to the A’s in ‘18

brimstead, Thursday, 20 February 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

lol xp

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 20 February 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

eat shit papi

Papi on Mike Fiers: "Why didn't you talk about it during the season when it was going on? Why didn't you say, I don't want to be no part of it? So you're looking like a snitch. Why do you have to talk about it after? Why did nobody say anything while it was going on?"

— Ian Browne (@IanMBrowne) February 20, 2020

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:04 (one month ago) link

stfu & go drink a milkshake papi

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:18 (one month ago) link

papi was a juicer so he's got to stand his ground

Thybulle on the Dash (Spottie), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:28 (one month ago) link

he does love baseball cards, though. he loves to sit at the kitchen table by himself and dream of baseball cards.

But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, 20 February 2020 19:36 (one month ago) link

I agree with this take

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/2/26/21153495/houston-astros-sign-stealing-scandal-baseball-fan-interest

We are hooting and hollering every time a new baseball player goes in on the Astros. We are eager to debate which teams will bring down baseball’s newest menace. Why do you think my editor asked me, a football writer, to write about baseball? Because we can’t stop clicking on articles about baseball!

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:18 (one month ago) link

yeah 100% cosigned here too

frogbs, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 19:41 (one month ago) link

no, this is not baseball itself

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 20:00 (one month ago) link

Baseball now has a team that everybody hates, and what a blessing it is.

i agree that this has all been very wrestling but does this guy seriously think baseball didn't already have its own cowboys?

i've found the seething bloodlust of the fans on reddit twitter etc mostly irritating and the opposing players leaning into it strikes me as empty theatrics. maybe i'm cynical but i'll never assume a pro athlete is above cheating to get an edge. one of the cool things about wrestling is that if you pay enough attention to all the behind the scenes bullshit you come to learn that even the most beloved faces are complete pieces of shit.

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 27 February 2020 04:03 (one month ago) link

Listen the Red Sox are genuinely evil but I’m not sure I’d go so far as to label them baseball’s Cowboys

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 27 February 2020 04:27 (one month ago) link

don't you have a gio urshela votive candle to be lighting

℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 27 February 2020 04:41 (one month ago) link

I probably should be tbh

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 27 February 2020 05:00 (one month ago) link

hviii, u root for baseball's 1977 Oakland Raiders

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 February 2020 12:48 (one month ago) link

righteous

Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 27 February 2020 13:03 (one month ago) link


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