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Early, I know, but if I post this on the 2018 thread, someone may complain...Yellinger is shaping up to be quite an MVP race. Two HR for Yelich tonight, one for Bellinger, close in many basic categories.

https://www.mlb.com/news/bellinger-yelich-competing-for-triple-crown

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 03:58 (two months ago) link

those two are really close in a lot of categories. It's tough to say since Bellinger is really having an insane season but Yelich just keeps hammering the ball. It will really come down to the last couple weeks. There's nobody else who's even close to them.

Trout's closest competition is Bogaerts, I guess. Maybe Bregman. This seems to be a pretty obvious landslide for him.

Verlander ahead of Cole. Looks like Verlander will clear 20 wins too.

Ryu, unless he collapses. In which case it might be Scherzer, if he goes on a hot streak.

omar little, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 05:01 (two months ago) link

Posnanski posted Yelich's totals for the last 162 games today: .339/.431/.713, 38 doubles, 6 triples, 61 homers, 138 runs, 140 RBI, 32 SB...105 XB hits!

I thought Scherzer was a clear pick over Ryu when Scherzer went down, but he's probably fallen behind by now. Trout unanimously (not that he needs it, but Bogarts/Devers splitting votes further ensures that); Verlander right now for sure, but there's still time on that one.

clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:20 (two months ago) link

Ryu just hit the IL, not sure how long he'll be there

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:40 (two months ago) link

fWAR

Scherzer 5.6
deGrom 4.6
Strasburg 4.0
Ryu 3.9

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:51 (two months ago) link

FIP

Scherzer 2.08
Ryu 2.84
deGrom 2.85

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 14:54 (two months ago) link

Ryu seems to be locking down the Cy Young Award, after today he's 12-2 with an ERA of 1.46 -- though he's 9-0 and 0.82 at home.

omar little, Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:40 (two months ago) link

Washington has 46 games left, and Scherzer's throwing a simulated game Tuesday. Which means, what? Deduct another 10 games and he's got 7 or 8 starts left? He'll probably end up ahead in WAR, but still tough if Ryu posts a sub-2.00 ERA with 16 or 17 wins.

clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:36 (two months ago) link

I mean, I know wins don't matter anymore, but except in extreme cases like deGrom last year--where the low-win guy is clearly and demonstrably the best pitcher in the league--I sense they still count for a little? I don't know--it evolves with each situation.

clemenza, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:41 (two months ago) link

I’m totally still in the camp that Scherzer is capable of winning and Ryu can of course go on a bad streak that would wreck his numbers. But w/Scherzer still out and that Madduxy ERA I think the voters are obv gonna need some reasons to not give it to Ryu.

omar little, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:48 (two months ago) link

Ryu has only 8 IP more than Scherzer even with the missed time.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 12 August 2019 12:00 (two months ago) link

NL rookie race should be interesting between alonso, tatis and soroka

gonna be tough for ppl to look past all of alonso's homers (especially if he ends up leading the league)

mookieproof, Monday, 12 August 2019 13:19 (two months ago) link

Normally--not this year--Bryan Reynolds would have a shot. (The only reason I'm even aware of him is because I clicked on Bo Bichette's draft round this morning--same round as Alonso.) He's actually about even with Alonso in WAR.

clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 13:12 (two months ago) link

If all four of those guys end up with 5.0+ WAR (all are presently on pace to do so), would that rank with the greatest rookie crops ever for one league? Have to believe that's relatively rare.

clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 14:19 (two months ago) link

carson kelly and chris paddack and keston hiura have also been good

i guess yordan alvarez is gonna run away with the AL RoY despite not debuting until june 9

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:17 (two months ago) link

I guess Play Index could answer the question I posed above--four rookies over 5.0 WAR in one league--but I don't know how to do that.

Here's one round-up of the best rookie classes ever:

https://www.mlb.com/news/best-rookie-classes-in-mlb-since-1947-c295885062

They've got 2015 #1, both leagues. There were five guys over 4.0 that year in total, but only one, Kris Bryant, over 5.0.

clemenza, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 15:32 (two months ago) link

Yordan Alvarez has tied Joe Dimaggio's record for most RBIs through a player's first 46 games (51 RBIs).

— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) August 13, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:33 (two months ago) link

speaking of brian reynolds being overlooked/underrated, he has the fourth-highest OBP for the season so far after trout, yelich, and bellinger

na (NA), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:08 (two months ago) link

#1 in batting everage

na (NA), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:09 (two months ago) link

The NL Cy Young looks certain to be between three low-win guys, Scherzer, deGrom, and Ryu. (Strasberg is so manifestly behind them statistically, can't see much support in 2019--he may have a shot at 4th or 5th.) Wouldn't be surprised at all if deGrom wins a second one if he keeps pitching this well through September.

"Low-win guys" (15 or fewer, I'd say) is probably going to be the norm rather than the exception from here on out.

clemenza, Saturday, 24 August 2019 15:56 (one month ago) link

No one is really stepping up to claim that NL Cy right now, Scherzer is getting eased back into things slowly and Ryu has been bad of late. DeGrom could take it again but idk.

omar little, Sunday, 1 September 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

I’m rooting for Alvarez to win it with less than 81 games played.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 1 September 2019 20:19 (one month ago) link

JV and Cole had been very close statistically speaking for awhile but this coupled w/Cole’s last start puts him way out in front for the Cy.
― omar little, Sunday, September 1, 2019 3:44 PM (yesterday)

It'd be hard to make a case for Cole today, unless you place an inordinate amount of importance on FIP--Cole still leads by half of run because of Verlander's HR. But they're still close enough that one great start by Cole coupled with one really poor one by Verlander would probably be enough to reverse that.

VHS: Alvarez would be a terrible choice for NL Cy Young.

clemenza, Monday, 2 September 2019 13:29 (one month ago) link

looking fwd to the oldschool freakouts if Mike Minor get any first-place votes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 September 2019 13:57 (one month ago) link

This came up on another thread. According to Baseball Reference, hitters get a 5% advantage in Texas, pitchers a 2% advantage in Houston. And on Fangraphs, the Astros rank 16th defensively, the Rangers 23rd. Having said that...

V: 2.56 ERA, 193 IP, 257 K, 177 ERA+, 3.42 FIP, 0.772 WHIP, 7.34 K/BB, 6.7 WAR
C: 2.85 ERA, 170 IP, 252 K, 159 ERA+, 2.93 FIP, 0.957 WHIP, 6.15 K/BB, 4.7 WAR
M: 3.25 ERA, 174 IP, 175 K, 158 ERA+, 3.95 FIP, 1.205 WHIP, 3.07 K/BB, 7.0 WAR

WAR on Fangraphs: Cole 5.3, Verlander 5.2, Minor 3.9.

Even with adjustments, I find the idea that Minor is the best of those three bizarre.

clemenza, Monday, 2 September 2019 14:48 (one month ago) link

Sorry Clem, I was discussing the (lifeless) AL ROY.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 2 September 2019 17:22 (one month ago) link

Minor shutting out NYY thru 5

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 September 2019 21:53 (one month ago) link

Cole has struck out 14 in six innings...which brings to him to 105 pitches, though; not sure what his limit is. He's probably out, one inning more at most.

clemenza, Monday, 2 September 2019 22:23 (one month ago) link

Verlander pitches well yesterday and wins, Cole--through 7 innings--working on a one-hitter with 13 strikeouts today.

clemenza, Sunday, 8 September 2019 20:29 (one month ago) link

Verlander and Cole back-to-back is looking like some real Johnson-Schilling shit

omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 00:58 (one month ago) link

Has anyone ever reached 300 Ks before they reached 200 IP? Cole has 281 strikeouts in 184.1 IP...

omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 01:13 (one month ago) link

If I still had my baseball reference subscription I’d search for single seasons where a SP had a 13.5 K per 9 rate or higher. Alas...

I am also Harl (Karl Malone), Monday, 9 September 2019 01:16 (one month ago) link

you don't need a subscription (Cole's alone)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/strikeouts_per_nine_season.shtml

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 September 2019 01:26 (one month ago) link

actually Randy Johnson got to 300+ before he hit 200 IP in 2001 (the season he struck out 372 in 249.2 IP)

omar little, Monday, 9 September 2019 01:27 (one month ago) link

Pedro came close in '99 (313 K in 213.1 IP for the year), but looking at his game logs, I think he just missed. Ryan was never even close to a 100+ K/IP margin, so pretty sure no for him.

clemenza, Monday, 9 September 2019 15:56 (one month ago) link

100 K/IP, now that would be a record

k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 September 2019 09:53 (one month ago) link

I know you're kidding...I should have rendered that as +100 IP-K.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:25 (one month ago) link

Even better: +100 K-IP.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 12:26 (one month ago) link

btw deGrom is clearly the Mets' MVP, and trails only Bellinger, Yelich and Marte among all NL players (due in part to his batting value).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 September 2019 11:44 (one month ago) link

Scherzer and Ryu are both taking themselves out of the running lately. I'm thinking DeGrom might repeat.

omar little, Saturday, 14 September 2019 03:25 (one month ago) link

I'll have to compare tomorrow, but in the AL, I thought Verlander and Cole were close enough that one start by each could reorder them. And that's exactly what has happened--so-so start by Verlander yesterday, another dominant performance by Cole today. I think Cole might have overtaken him for the moment.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2019 03:32 (one month ago) link

Cole has been so good lately, it does seem like he's finishing very strong and Verlander may just be finishing "well".

omar little, Saturday, 14 September 2019 03:59 (one month ago) link

degrom's having another great season but i think this is scherzer's to lose

Sally Jessy (Karl Malone), Saturday, 14 September 2019 04:04 (one month ago) link

I think you're going to see two of the closest Cy votes ever (certainly in a single season).

clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2019 16:22 (one month ago) link

Scrolled through, and I only found one year where both winners were under an 80% share of the vote: 1973. Palmer beat Ryan 88-62 (14 first-place votes to 9...Blyleven ahead in WAR by 2-3 wins; think I had an epic argument about that one once), Seaver beat Marshall 71-54 (10 first-place votes to 9...Seaver was ahead in WAR 10.6 to 3.0!). Anyway, both leagues should be even closer this year. With Verlander-Cole, they're so close you either flip a coin or delve into Game Scores and strength-of-opposition.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2019 17:29 (one month ago) link

When Alvarez pulls the ball in the air, he bats .868 with a 2.421 slugging percentage.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/youre-probably-underrating-yordan-alvarez

mookieproof, Monday, 16 September 2019 14:40 (four weeks ago) link

I don't know who votes in these mlb.com polls, but they've got Verlander still way ahead of Cole.

https://www.mlb.com/news/cy-young-poll-close-between-degrom-scherzer

That doesn't seem right; they ought to be very close.

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 22:10 (three weeks ago) link

Verlander has that Pedro-like WHIP, plus the WAR lead. And the wins lead, if you wanna kick it old-school.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:02 (three weeks ago) link

i think one more "decent" JV start coupled with another otherworldly Cole start, plus him hitting 300 ks, might nudge him out in front.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 23:03 (three weeks ago) link

Great six innings from Verlander last night. We'll see how Cole responds--back and forth. They're definitely up with (though not equal to, I don't think) Johnson/Schilling right now.

clemenza, Wednesday, 18 September 2019 12:41 (three weeks ago) link

the Mike Minor arguments are kinda interesting but i don't entirely buy them.

omar little, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

cole has more strikeouts, fewer homers allowed and a significantly better FIP/xFIP

verlander has more innings and better WHIP. verlander also has (among qualifiers) the highest LOB% (88.5) and far and away the lowest BABIP (.218 -- next-lowest is samardzija at .238; cole's is .277)

i think that explains why cole leads in fWAR -- verlander seems to have been luckier -- but i don't really understand why verlander is so far ahead in bWAR when their outcomes are so similar

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:50 (two weeks ago) link

verlander's BABIP, for a season, is the 11th-lowest ever for a qualified pitcher

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 18:57 (two weeks ago) link

regarding the BABIP thing, a full 25% of the hits he’s allowed have been home runs. idk how that measures historically, but it seems absurd, and certainly could give the false impression that he’s gotten lucky

k3vin k., Wednesday, 25 September 2019 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

They seem so close across the board. One edge to Verlander is that Cole's given up seven unearned runs, Verlander only two. I doubt these guys get pulled mid-inning very often, but how many bequeathed runs have they been charged with?

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

a full 25% of the hits he’s allowed have been home runs

that is pretty crazy, but his HR/FB is, at 15.5%, roughly average (and actually lower than cole's 17.3%). if he induced more grounders or strikeouts -- something more in his control than BABIP -- he'd have given up fewer homers. i think the 25% is because he should theoretically have allowed more base hits rather than that he theoretically should have yielded fewer homers

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 23:16 (two weeks ago) link

anyway, while i like JV, i'm rooting for cole because it makes the pirates look even worse. and fuck them

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 September 2019 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

JdG seems to have locked it down tonight

omar little, Thursday, 26 September 2019 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

Not even close anymore. In the space of 3-4 weeks, it's gone from a coin flip to deGrom winning near-unanimously. Scherzer still leads in a couple of categories--FIP and K/BB--otherwise, it's hard to make a credible case for him.

clemenza, Thursday, 26 September 2019 16:25 (two weeks ago) link

If deGrom adds a third Cy Young to the one he'll win this year, I think he's a definite HOF candidate. As I mentioned above, I think that 10-15 years down the road, the criteria for starters will have continued to evolve to a point that looks very different from what we're used to. Without even getting into newer stats, If deGrom has three Cy Youngs, ~150 wins, and a very low lifetime ERA, I think that'll make for a good case. There a few two-time winners not in the Hall, but everyone with three or more is in. I don't think voters will really hold a late start against him, not if he continues to pitch really well into his mid-late '30s, and a low win total because he never got any run support won't mean anything. There might be a possible comparison to Santana, but, "narrative"-wise, I think a career that's basically over at 31 is a bigger obstacle to overcome than a late start and excellence in your 30s.

And who knows? He might win four Cy Youngs.

clemenza, Friday, 27 September 2019 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

It all depends on ligaments and hips.

Four Cy Youngs might never happen again!

Van Horn Street, Friday, 27 September 2019 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

My questions for the NL CY is if Strasburg and Corbin are going to get votes, what a trio. Wouldn’t want to face them in the post-season.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

Strasburg is def gonna get a decent number of votes. Beginning to wonder if he may rise up to #2 in the end, due to having a very excellent season along w/recency bias in terms of his past month (vs the performances of Scherzer and Ryu).

omar little, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:05 (two weeks ago) link

strasburg leads the majors in baseball prospectus WARP

mookieproof, Friday, 27 September 2019 18:10 (two weeks ago) link

Four Cy Youngs might never happen again!

But that's one area where usage patterns don't matter at all--there's got to be a Cy Young winner every year.

I was wondering, though--as starters pitch fewer and fewer innings, will closers again become more of a factor in Cy voting? If the main argument that sent them into exile is they pitch so many fewer innings than starters--certainly true when the gap was, say 250+ innings to 70--will the same argument hold if it's 170 innings vs. 70 high-leverage innings?

clemenza, Friday, 27 September 2019 19:03 (two weeks ago) link

Semien MVP?

timellison, Saturday, 28 September 2019 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

I've been saying all through this thread that Trout has it clinched, but a couple of days ago Posnanski said he's sure that Bregman will win. The main point of the piece was that, while Trout has lost three or four MVP votes he could've/should've won, he's at least lost every time to an MVP-caliber season--no Morneaus or Dawsons in there. He thinks Bregman will continue that pattern.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 September 2019 23:01 (two weeks ago) link

Verlander did almost everything he needed to do to clinch--300th/3000th strikeout, win, 12 K and no walks--but, what else, two of the four hits he gave up were HR, so he got dinged for three runs. I honestly think there's an opening for Cole to take it tomorrow if he throws up another 90+ Game Score-type start.

clemenza, Sunday, 29 September 2019 05:04 (two weeks ago) link

soon enough -- maybe not today; maybe not tomorrow -- we're gonna look back and wonder why trout didn't win like seven MVPs

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 September 2019 05:54 (two weeks ago) link

not playing full seasons is going to be the story. bergman is a deserving winner this year

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 September 2019 13:59 (two weeks ago) link

bregman

k3vin k., Sunday, 29 September 2019 14:00 (two weeks ago) link

If Trout supplied more value in less time (not clear), it makes no sense to penalize him.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 29 September 2019 14:10 (two weeks ago) link

Catch-22: Houston's piling on runs today and Cole's pitching well, but in terms of what he needs to have a chance at the Cy, the extra runs may hurt more than help. He'll get the win, but I figure he needs eight dominant innings, and he'll probably be pulled after six.

clemenza, Sunday, 29 September 2019 20:37 (two weeks ago) link

cole with 10+ strikeouts in mlb-record ninth straight outing

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 September 2019 21:41 (two weeks ago) link

bregman: 8.4 bWAR
trout: 8.3
semien: 8.1

mookieproof, Monday, 30 September 2019 14:38 (two weeks ago) link

WAR's great for narrowing the field, but once you have, and it's that close--surely within the margin of error--I'd discard it and look at everything else.

clemenza, Monday, 30 September 2019 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

I would still pick Trout for MVP, despite the missed time.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 30 September 2019 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

and look at everything else

Including ballpark factors wrt Semien/Oakland Coliseum!

timellison, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 00:28 (one week ago) link

park factors are in WAR, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 00:47 (one week ago) link

That's what I meant--WAR has taken park, position, etc. and determined that these three guys essentially provide equal value. So you look elsewhere in deciding your vote, things that aren't factored into WAR. I know I don't get a lot of agreement here, but in a close vote, I'd want to weigh when the player was at his best against, for instance, when the team took hold of a pennant race. Rendon was fantastic when the Nationals surged in August or whenever it was; I know Bellinger will likely win, but I think there's an argument to be made for Rendon. (And stepping into the breach after Harper's departure, that counts in my mind too.) In the AL, the fact that Bregman overtook Trout when Trout was hurt (and playing for a team going nowhere anyway), while Bregman's team had long since more or less clinched their division, that's an argument for Trout.

I know it drives some people up the wall when I post about such stuff. But I don't think that's any more specious than deciding player A deserves the award over player B because player A had a 0.3 edge in WAR (while player B might have had the edge in someone else's WAR calculation).

clemenza, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 00:59 (one week ago) link

Interesting fact re. Semien - led the team in RBI as their leadoff hitter

timellison, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 05:00 (one week ago) link

clem, I don't think that's unreasonable, but to me breaking down by parts of the season gets a little too arbitrary -- all the games count. I am more ok with rewarding a player for playing on a better team actually, for the reason that more of their games were meaningful. but as you say, they provided equal value and you have to pick your tiebreakers somehow, and they're all imperfect

k3vin k., Tuesday, 1 October 2019 13:16 (one week ago) link

i think Trout wins, it's similar to clem's Verlander/Cole argument that Bregman didn't necessarily do anything absurd to set himself apart from Trout. I think it'll be somewhat close, though maybe he suffers from being on the same team as a couple of HOF starting pitchers and a guy who seems on the road to being one, not to mention some other MVP-caliber batters.

I think Verlander edges out Cole but it'll be maybe even closer than the MVP race.

DeGrom and Bellinger seem like total locks in the NL.

omar little, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:30 (one week ago) link

is Bellinger really that amazing a fielder to boost his WAR so much? Yelich has Cody (and the rest of the NL) handily beat in AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS+, way more SB and only trails him by 3 home runs. this would look like an easy choice for Yelich, until you hit WAR.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:55 (one week ago) link

I saw him make a helluva throw/assist vs Mets.

I think you may be forgetting that Dodger Stadium is a "pitcher's park" (still, I think).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:58 (one week ago) link

This is very hard for me to type, because I know it is a controversial metric that will get a lot of blowback on here, but the ILB Fantasy League rates Yellich's 2019 > Bellinger's.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 16:58 (one week ago) link

For direct comparison between player seasons, raw counting stats (and basic rate stats) aren't helpful. Gotta keep those Rockies hitters away from the hardware.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:00 (one week ago) link

I didn’t realize how big the bref war gap was between Yelich and Bellinger.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:06 (one week ago) link

ah - park factor was something i hadn't considered. tho, doesn't OPS+ account fo that, or am I mistaken?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:07 (one week ago) link

It does.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:09 (one week ago) link

High school counsellor voice*

There are no wrong answers

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:11 (one week ago) link

... or they are *all* wrong!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:14 (one week ago) link

my calculations find that greg garcia is once again the MLB leader in WAR, once adjusting for team-playerness and grit

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

some discussion here of defense in comparing trout and bregman (none of it definitive, of course)

(Given how well we can measure defense, Mike Trout’s 0.1 WAR lead over Alex Bregman is not large enough to be the foundation of an argument to give Trout the MVP over Bregman.)

— Eno Sarris (@enosarris) October 1, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:17 (one week ago) link

I **love** how Eno confuses "well" with "poorly" in his first tweet.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 17:34 (one week ago) link

Top NL outfielders by defensive Win Shares:

Victor Robles - 4.9
Lorenzo Cain - 4.3
Cody Bellinger - 4.3
Harrison Bader - 4.0
Kike Hernandez - 4.0
Kevin Pillar - 3.9
Ronald Acuna - 3.8
Harold Ramirez - 3.7

Yelich is 2.4. You have to divide Win Shares by three, so the difference between Bellinger and Yelich (1.6) is basically a half Win Share.

timellison, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 18:43 (one week ago) link

Strike Hernandez from that - he earned a lot of his playing second base this year

timellison, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 18:44 (one week ago) link

is Bellinger really that amazing a fielder to boost his WAR so much? Yelich has Cody (and the rest of the NL) handily beat in AVG, OBP, SLG and OPS+, way more SB and only trails him by 3 home runs. this would look like an easy choice for Yelich, until you hit WAR.

― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, October 1, 2019 12:55 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

he’s a freak athlete, the guy plays first base and also plays a great centerfield, it’s p nuts

k3vin k., Tuesday, 1 October 2019 23:22 (one week ago) link

I thought that was only a thing in OOTP baseball! Obviously I need to watch a few dodger playoff games

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 2 October 2019 00:54 (one week ago) link


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