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who will win the division

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Chicago Cubs 4
Milwaukee Brewers 3
St. Louis Cardinals 2
Cincinnati Reds 0
Pittsburgh Pirates 0

na (NA), Friday, 15 March 2019 19:42 (five months ago) link

also feel free to discuss any of the division teams in here unless you really want to start a team-specific thread

na (NA), Friday, 15 March 2019 19:42 (five months ago) link

i have no idea who's going to win the division. my instinctual guess is the cardinals.

i am predicting the cubs offense will rebound from last year but i do not trust any of their pitching beyond hendricks

na (NA), Friday, 15 March 2019 19:53 (five months ago) link

expecting lester to really fall off a cliff this year, which is not something one often thinks of 18-game winners

i think there's a good chance the pirates finish last, and in a way, i hope they do

mookieproof, Friday, 15 March 2019 20:26 (five months ago) link

the cubs' pitching is potentially very good but also potentially a total disaster. Lester, Darvish, and Hamels all have the ability to strike out 200 and win 18 games, and also be sloppy, ineffective, and/or injured for the majority of the year.

Bote has been hitting the ball well this spring and taking a ton of walks. Same for Schwarber. I'm anticipating a major year from Bryant and a return to the slightly better stats from previous years for Rizzo. I think they'll be in it til the end, but a division title might be a stretch.

omar little, Friday, 15 March 2019 20:33 (five months ago) link

Lester has always felt like a guy who has been balancing on the edge of a knife; those worrying walk numbers and disastrous starts have always been there, but usually he's won despite the former and the latter have been infrequent. I agree he could fall off that cliff.

omar little, Friday, 15 March 2019 20:34 (five months ago) link

he's gotten worse every year since 2015 but it also seems like he figures out ways to get around getting worse

contreras' offense has looked better in spring training too, which is a good sign

na (NA), Friday, 15 March 2019 20:43 (five months ago) link

if his offense is good that'll be a bonus, he's a very good defensive catcher as-is.

omar little, Friday, 15 March 2019 21:29 (five months ago) link

if the brewers get him, they will have hader, knebel, jeffress, and kimbrel. wow.

also, not that anyone cares but i would have to switch my second favorite NL central team designation elsewhere because i can't stand kimbrel's dumbass hanging arm monster thing

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 02:40 (five months ago) link

i have no idea who is going to win the division. will probably wait until the deadline of the poll, just in case last minute additions (like kimbrel) swing the balance

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 20 March 2019 02:42 (five months ago) link

Cardinals lineup adding Goldschmidt looks pretty impressive. I like picking up Wieters to be the backup catcher too as I think part time duty seems to bring back the bat for some veteran catchers. If Yady actually lets them take him out of the lineup, it could be good for both of them. Cardinals pitching isn't quite as impressive, but it does have room to improve in 2019 too.

Cubs won 95 last year and had kind of middling years out of quite a few players. Pitching staff is older and I would think could be worse, but they still have good depth and could deal for a couple guys too.

Brewers seemed to have everything go right last year. It will be interesting to see if they fall back or hold up to last year. I kinda feel like they will fall back a bit.

Pirates are better than they might seem on first glance. They should/could have the best rotation in the division, but then they held pat on improving the club in any means. Things go well with the young guys, they could be a .500 team I would figure. Kind of a push.

Reds with the trades have some interesting players playing for contracts including Puig. They should be like a bunch of Cincy teams in that they score runs like a beer league softball team and have pretty sxxt starting pitching. They have added some arms that should help the rotation, but I'm a Reds fan and a pessimist. Sonny Gray is already fighting a bad back. I do think the bullpen could be good and has some depth, so they could win some games with softball scores.

I'd bet my 2 bucks on the Cardinals to win the division, but the NLC should be very competitive as it often is.

earlnash, Thursday, 21 March 2019 18:29 (five months ago) link

Huh Ian Happ starting the season in AAA

na (NA), Sunday, 24 March 2019 00:34 (four months ago) link

I'm glad Jimenez is not on this Cubs roster.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 24 March 2019 03:50 (four months ago) link

I'd have to think it is just that Ian Happ has options and they are still ridiculously deep in some places. Seemed that Happ would eventually end up the replacement for Zobrist. Got to think Happ would be in the bigs on a bunch of other clubs and some clubs might inquire upon him.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:07 (four months ago) link

i really hope this predictatron isn't right but i'm a little worried about the possibility that andrew miller is the greg holland of 2019

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:09 (four months ago) link

Scooter Gennette is out 8-12 weeks with a hammy. Looks like Reds are going to use Jose Iglesias at short and move Jose Peraza back to second at least to start the season.

Nick Senzel heading to AAA to keep playing CF as Scott Schebler has won the starting job there for now. Senzel was probably going to go down anyway so that the Reds could get the 'bonus year' and most likely bring him up in May. Got to wonder if Senzel might be playing some 2b, as he played that at times in college and minors.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:28 (four months ago) link

didn't know senzel could play CF! (or can he?)

i have nothing to back this up with, but it seems like there are more players these days who can legitimately play a decent OF and IF. in early zobrist days it seemed more unusual?

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:33 (four months ago) link

Senzel did some winter ball work in CF and has prepped for it all spring.

Talk was that Puig might see some time in center too, it's not an ideal situation and probably will get defensively exploited in some of the bigger parks. You will get more offense instead of Billy Hamilton, but you will have a number of extra base hits drop in without him.

I think being able to play more positions at least to a certain level of competency is still a valid way to have an extended playing career.

I think Andrew Miller was a much better pitcher than Holland over all career, but it's hard to bet on any reliever at age 33 as it is such a boom/bust proposition. For every reliever that fails, you have another reliever seem to bounce back and be productive again after some time of either being injured and/or ineffective. And at 33, they could just be done at any time.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:47 (four months ago) link

relievers are indeed a crapshoot. it'd be nice if andrew miller could manage to be at least league average, though, rather than single-handedly blowing a handful of games over the course of a month like holland did last year

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 24 March 2019 16:56 (four months ago) link

Corey Knebel potentially needing Tommy John really sucks

frogbs, Monday, 25 March 2019 04:09 (four months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 00:01 (four months ago) link

Hendricks extension with #Cubs is four years, $55.595M, according to a source. Includes club option for fifth season as well.

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) March 26, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 March 2019 17:51 (four months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 00:01 (four months ago) link

Brewers did better than i would have expected

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 04:07 (four months ago) link

they won the division last year and have only gotten better on paper

na (NA), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:04 (four months ago) link

i picked Brew-haas

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 March 2019 14:10 (four months ago) link

goldschmidt will have a chance at a 4th HR in the top of the next inning

Home run #3: 106.4 mph

— Jenifer Langosch (@LangoschMLB) March 30, 2019

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:32 (four months ago) link

how many more years y'all got him for

frogbs, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:34 (four months ago) link

for all the years

dan maclaughlin keeps saying "you are going to love him saint louis! you are gonna LOVE him!"

he did it after 2 home runs in Spring Training, and predictatronably he did it after his first regular season HR

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:37 (four months ago) link

i just saw someone say that Yelich has a 42% HR/FB rate in Miller Park. is that right?!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:38 (four months ago) link

lol brewers just IBB'd goldschmidt

down 5-9 in the 9th. i get it, but

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:41 (four months ago) link

i thought the brewers were cool

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:41 (four months ago) link

Maclaughlin just said “folks you’re gonna love him” as it went to the post-game crew

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 03:54 (four months ago) link

christian yelich is on fire

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 March 2019 23:24 (four months ago) link

*shakes fist*


Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 March 2019 18:27 (four months ago) link

This might have been the greatest trade in Milwaukee Brewers history

frogbs, Sunday, 31 March 2019 18:28 (four months ago) link

only other players to HR in first 4 games:

Willie Mays, Mark McGwire, Nelson Cruz, Chris Davis and Trevor Story.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 March 2019 18:33 (four months ago) link

he's been absolutely on fire since like...august 2018?

Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 March 2019 18:34 (four months ago) link

And a walk-off double...He's obviously already clinched another MVP.

clemenza, Sunday, 31 March 2019 21:26 (four months ago) link

On base all 5 times

frogbs, Sunday, 31 March 2019 22:16 (four months ago) link


mookieproof, Sunday, 31 March 2019 23:55 (four months ago) link

I don't remember the STL announcers being as annoying/repetitive as they are on the call for the Goldschmidt homers.

Michael F Gill, Monday, 1 April 2019 02:39 (four months ago) link

i am going to LOVE him in st louis!

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 April 2019 02:53 (four months ago) link

you guys are REALLY not gonna make team threads? so weird

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2019 03:10 (four months ago) link

in this age of robot umpires, all sense of boundary has been erased and we just mingle around to different food stands, watching baseball

Karl Malone, Monday, 1 April 2019 03:43 (four months ago) link

cubs scored 28 runs in the rangers series and still went 1-2

na (NA), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:43 (four months ago) link

Opposite: Jays held the Tigers to 6 runs in 4 games (only 3 runs in the regulation 36 innings) and went 2-2.

clemenza, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:37 (four months ago) link

33 pitches in the first for waino; 14 of them strikes : /

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2019 17:39 (four months ago) link

yadi is playing 3B

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2019 21:59 (four months ago) link

Says something for the Reds to give up two weekend home games soon against the Cardinals to play in Mexico. I do hope they break out the 'Los Rojos' uniforms they used last year.

earlnash, Monday, 1 April 2019 23:48 (four months ago) link

This years Red's club is even more weird than usual. They seem to get shut down and score nothing then win 14-2.

David Bell has pretty much completely torched the bullpen at this point, they are cooked and I got a feeling they are going to lose quite a bit more going forward.

earlnash, Saturday, 20 July 2019 18:39 (one month ago) link

Best news for the Reds would be to go hard on the sell and try to flip some guys for some more arms.

I kind of like Tanner Roark...he's a guy I could see moving, but if they could sign him for 2 more at the right deal, he's a pro and pretty much out there every time his time in the rotation comes up.

Puig is also hitting well now. I'd think there would be interest in him as he could be one of those x-factor type guys for a stretch run. I think the Reds would like to extend him, but I'm guessing there is more money out there than Cincy will commit.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 01:07 (one month ago) link

Juan Graterol listed as an idealistic 205 pounds in your scorecard.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 11:51 (one month ago) link

Club losing both of it's catchers to injury at the same time is pretty ominous for the rest of the season. Pitchers are a cowardly lot and seem to be easily started like deer, it seems losing their battery mate often times causes them to lose ability to pitch.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 11:53 (one month ago) link

are you all going to the gun show? it's in the reds vs cardinals game this afternoon (reds in throwback sleeveless jerseys)

Karl Malone, Sunday, 21 July 2019 17:27 (one month ago) link

need to see some Harrison Bader guns

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 21 July 2019 19:31 (one month ago) link

There are more people at a Northern KY gun show than at a Reds game.

-doh... Hot as it has been this weekend in Cincy, the Cards series hasn't been packed, which it usually would be.

Of course, I AM one of those silent ones that say f'all that cost, I'd rather watch them or not on TV. Most of the time the Reds play totally stupid when I turn them on TV anyway.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 20:05 (one month ago) link

I think there is a portion (probably sad) that are waiting for Marty to go totally BROCKMIRE at some point this season in his final season. You can kinda hear his disgust at points, earlier when the Reds loaded the bases with no outs and then did bupkus he was like "this is why this club is 8 games under .500 going nowhere" spiel.

earlnash, Sunday, 21 July 2019 20:10 (one month ago) link

Brewers just hit a go-ahead grand slam in the bottom of the 8th and lost

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 July 2019 03:47 (four weeks ago) link

cardinals tied a major league record with eight extra-base hits in one inning (against the pirates)

mookieproof, Thursday, 25 July 2019 00:21 (four weeks ago) link

14 total bases for dejong

Karl Malone, Thursday, 25 July 2019 02:02 (four weeks ago) link

from rosenthal:

For all the talk of the Pirates trading Vázquez, the team shows little appetite for actually making such a move, sources say.

Vázquez, 28, will earn just $12.5 million combined in 2020-21, and the Pirates — who also hold $10 million club options on him for ’22 and ’23 — believe they can return to contention as soon as next season.

The way club officials see it, the team’s collapse and last-place standing in the NL Central stem in part from injuries at various points to starting pitchers Jameson Taillon and Trevor Williams, catcher Francisco Cervelli and right fielder Gregory Polanco. Other clubs do not hold the same view, believing the Pirates essentially are fooling themselves, and should move Vázquez at a time when his value is soaring.

“The well-run teams are realistic and have a good feel for their talent and how it stacks up to their competitors,” one executive said. “The poorly-run teams do not.

“The Rockies are a great example. They thought they were building off a 91-win team (last season) without appreciating how fortunate they were and that their true talent was well below that.”

Time will tell if the Pirates prove correct in their self-evaluation. Perhaps they are gun-shy after getting burned as buyers last season in trades for right-hander Chris Archer and reliever Keone Kela. The performance of even top closers is volatile; long-term control of relievers is generally not coveted the way it is with other players. Still, Vázquez could bring a haul.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 19:47 (three weeks ago) link

pirates suspended a reliever last week and the bullpen coach today, which means they have as many suspensions as wins since the all-star break

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 July 2019 23:20 (three weeks ago) link

Happy birthday Clint Hurdle, cardinals legend Tom Pagnozzi, and in a distant last, annoying broadcaster Ricky Horton

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 00:51 (three weeks ago) link

Man how much do the Brewers regret not signing Wade Miley right now

frogbs, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 01:28 (three weeks ago) link

Reds rookie skipper David Bell has been ejected from 7.7% of the games he’s managed. That seems like an unsustainable pace, but personally I believe in him.

— Anthony Castrovince (@castrovince) July 31, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 July 2019 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

End of the roster move for the Reds that could be potentially interesting is that outfielder Aristides Aquino was called up from Louisville with all of these dealings going on. Aquino is an older prospect at age 26 and was kinda going nowhere and did some shifting in his approach to get the ball up in the air and in the last two seasons has been just blasting long home runs all over the place. He hit something like 3x 450 ft. shots in a couple games a few weeks back.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 August 2019 17:46 (three weeks ago) link

At least Aquino could be in the tradition of Wily Mo Pena and Juan Francisco.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 August 2019 17:49 (three weeks ago) link

zobrist played in south bend over the weekend, so i guess he's coming back

mookieproof, Monday, 5 August 2019 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

Zach Davies to the DL

that's 4/5ths of the Brewers starting rotation to the DL in like 2 weeks

frogbs, Monday, 5 August 2019 21:18 (two weeks ago) link

Aquino does have some power.

Cards definitely look smart for not giving Albert Pujols that ginormous contract, still two years left to go. His swing is looking real slow to me.

earlnash, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 01:50 (two weeks ago) link

I was just ragging on my cousin, the Cardinals Fan from New Jersey, over the Redbirds now being tied with the Mets, and that got him off the phone p quick

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 August 2019 01:39 (two weeks ago) link

the alex reyes story is getting really sad. this will be the third straight season to be lost to a season ending injury.

for a very brief time, before all the injuries, his stuff was electric

Karl Malone, Saturday, 10 August 2019 01:39 (one week ago) link

Pretty good first week or so in the bigs for Aquino. The way he swings and his build reminds me a bit of Jose Bautista.

earlnash, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:28 (one week ago) link

He's got three HR through six innings tonight!

clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:24 (one week ago) link

Aquino hit 3 shots over 450 feet across 2 games at Louisville a few weeks ago. The video of the one to dead center was a lunar landing, it look like it was a golf shot.

earlnash, Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:45 (one week ago) link

Reds are back to 3 under .500 for the first time in a while, this seems to be their ceiling so far this season. Alot of people both in the media and fans seem to be waiting for them to go on a run, which they have not done. Getting Bauer and if Sonny Gray is healthy and productive, they should be able to stay in some games. Bullpen is pretty cooked though. Be nice to see Votto get hot just getting on base left and right. Suarez has tore up some pitching with his power, but the guy will look totally lost at times striking out like mad too.

We will see, any chance to parlay these good seasons by individual players into the post season is going to be decided in the next week or so. They need to win series especially head to head with Nats, Cards and Pirates. For it to be a legit playoff shot, I think they will need to rip of a week full of wins, as that would plant them near the top of the NL Wild Card and even out that 1-8 start.

earlnash, Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:58 (one week ago) link

reds have been jobbed by their run differential -- they're pretty good, and the NL central is not insurmountable

that said, they need to go on a run and our best beloved joey votto should fucking wake up and lead it

mookieproof, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:28 (one week ago) link

the reds can make a run, imo, but their problem is that there are also several other NL teams that could also go on a run - WAS, MIL, STL, NYM, ARI, SFG (?!?!). or continue a run, in the mets' case

Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:45 (one week ago) link

As I said, 3 under .500 seems to be their ceiling. They have knocked on that door I think 4 or 5 times now this season and then like Sysyphus rolled back down the standings to start again.

earlnash, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:56 (one week ago) link

Alright, so here's my issue with this, and really, one of my issues with this entire organization:

Everyone, from the top down, is so fucking smug.

They think they're playing chess and we're all only capable of understanding checkers.

— Jim Rosati (@northsidenotch) August 11, 2019

pirates are now 4-24 since the break. the elite closer they hung onto because they're so close to competing has made two appearances in their last 15 games because there are no save opportunities. (they didn't even use him today, for christ's sake, during which they allowed seven runs in the seventh and eighth to blow an 8-4 lead.) but at least they understand 'the game within the game'

mookieproof, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:08 (one week ago) link

the opportunity to be judgmental

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:29 (one week ago) link

i accept

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 August 2019 02:29 (one week ago) link

Yu Darvish has been Scherzer-like in the second half. With Hendricks having some recent meltdowns and Jon Lester completely disintegrating it’s a pretty good sign that he’s turned things around. But I don’t expect the Cubs to go anywhere if (not when) they make the postseason.

omar little, Friday, 16 August 2019 03:04 (six days ago) link

hell of a loss for them tonight

frogbs, Friday, 16 August 2019 03:11 (six days ago) link

yeah i agree, i think the cubs have a good chance to win the division and then crap out in the first round of the playoffs. unless they can somehow convince the league to let them play all their playoff games at wrigley

na (NA), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:50 (six days ago) link

despite the (good) add of castellanos they've still got holes in the offense (happ/almora/kemp) and the bullpen is frightening

na (NA), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:52 (six days ago) link

i think the cubs have a good chance to win the division and then crap out in the first round of the playoffs.

this is probably true of whoever ends up winning the NL Central tbh

Z S - Amazon FC Ambassador (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:52 (six days ago) link


na (NA), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:53 (six days ago) link

although i guess the NL Central winner will have the benefit of playing the NL East winner (most likely), while the wild card survival champion will have to play the Dodgers in round 1

Z S - Amazon FC Ambassador (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 August 2019 14:53 (six days ago) link

pretty ugly exposé of turmoil in the pirate clubhouse today in the athletic. imo they should go hire mike matheny -- it would really help me jettison all fondness for the team

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:17 (five days ago) link

Let’s slow things down here, you don’t understand what you’re saying

Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 August 2019 00:42 (five days ago) link

as the millennials say, step on my throat mike matheny

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 August 2019 02:44 (five days ago) link

Well the Reds pretty much did what deep down I figured would happen sliding back. They have had a few starters get totally pounded in the last week.

Got to figure whoever was on the spot and picked up Aquino in their fantasy leagues are doing great in the playoff hunt. Anyone mashing 10 HRs in 16 games helps in that arena, but impressive to start in the bigs.

earlnash, Saturday, 17 August 2019 12:53 (five days ago) link

alright, let's get real. which team is going to win the division, and which (if any) will nab a wild card spot?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 20:32 (yesterday) link

i am going to be pessimistic and say that the cubs will win the division, cardinals will get one of the WC spots (along with the Nats), and the Brewers will just miss. but i think it's just as likely that no wild card teams come from the NL central this year.

i guess a lot of teams are frustrated with the lack of moves made at the trade deadline this year, but it seems bonkers that the cardinals didn't make a move for starting pitching, especially considering their OF surplus. here's who they have right now, either on the roster or on the cusp:

- marcell ozuna (starter, LF)
- dexter fowler (starter, CF or RF)
- harrison bader (CF, defensive wiz, just got called back from a short stint at AAA to learn how to hit the ball again)
- jose martinez (RF, on the IL for another week or so. can't actually play RF, but plays there anyway)
- tyler bro'neill (RF, on the IL for another week or so. may someday hit+ 40 HRs, great speed)
- yairo munoz (an infielder who sometimes, inexplicably, gets asked to start at CF or sub in at RF, where he looks like an infielder trying to play outfield. 70 wRC+.
- tommy edman (exhibit A of how doing really, really well in your first week can change the perception of your manager for the rest of the year, even if you don't deserve it. he is also an infielder that is now being asked to play RF. when he started playing there a few weeks ago, it was noted that he had not played outfield since high school. the announcers love him. mike shildt loves him and says that he is now an everyday player (mainly in the infield as a replacement for matt carpenter, but he also plays 2B). somehow, he starts in RF about twice a week. 85 wRC+, and that's after a recent hot streak.)
- dylan carlson (#2 prospect in the system, now at AAA, shot up through multiple levels this year, is probably better than everyone else on this list except for Ozuna)
- randy arozarena (yet another solid outfielder, just got his first promotion to MLB (he's back in AAA now).

so you have 7 outfielders competing for 3 spots. plus 2 weakass infielders that inexplicably are starting in outfield week after week.

i guess the trade market must have been reaaaaally weak

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:01 (yesterday) link

Brewers are kind of a dumpster fire right now, their offense is pretty good but their pitching staff is such a dumpster fire right now. It was pretty much the worst-case scenario there, the guys who were good in '18 fell apart and none of the new pitchers panned out. Not to mention Jimmy Nelson coming back with a massive thud, getting blown up in nearly every appearance so far. Maybe we shouldn't have put so much faith in a guy who led the league in walks AND hit batters a couple years ago. Zach Davies & Chase Anderson are okay but they rarely can go more than 5. And the relief pitching is a total mess; Hader suddenly turned into bad K-Rod, Jeffress can't get outs in key spots, and Knebel got hurt in Spring Training, so our go-to guy is....Mat Albers!!

so yeah, I'd be surprised if they made it, but they do have some of that "team that could surprise everyone" vibe to them

frogbs, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:12 (yesterday) link

carlson should be ready by april 15 if not sooner. he's been in AAA for a week and has a 1.500 OPS (bader was also killing the ball in memphis tho)

yeah i think it's more the starters that were available. i don't think they could have pulled off greinke, which leaves . . . cashner? homer bailey? doesn't seem to be much point

mookieproof, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:13 (yesterday) link

yeah, i guess it's true that there didn't seem to be much on the trade market...

it just seems odd that they can't flip some of these guys for some non-OF prospects, at least

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:20 (yesterday) link

just hope STL and CHC beat up on each other sufficiently to let the Mets sneak past one of them

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 August 2019 21:44 (yesterday) link

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