It's a Good Name for You: the Max Scherzer thread

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Early favourite to join Clemens, Johnson, Maddux, and Carlton as the only four-time Cy Young winners (Kershaw and Seaver should probably have four too). Five years ago, when he put up the 21-3 season, I remember the gaudy W-L record drew some suspicion that he was just a good pitcher having a fluky year. Not Jewish. He is a Max.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaPBhxXhprg

clemenza, Sunday, 20 May 2018 15:53 (six months ago) Permalink

My favorite player outside of my team.

Big user of analytics.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:44 (six months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

We bought tickets for Saturday's Jays-Nationals game a month-and-a-half ago...Giddy-up--Scherzer!

clemenza, Thursday, 14 June 2018 01:37 (six months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

max scherzer was born the same day that purple rain opened in theaters

mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 16:36 (four months ago) Permalink

Wow, great site. I like Ohtani's!

timellison, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:39 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's great, especially that you can search by artist.

Rolling Stones - 7 players
Dylan - 1 player ("Like a Rolling Stone," Mark Canha)
Drake - 45 players

Their database can't be complete--Prince and Michael Jackson come back with zero results, something I find hard to believe.

clemenza, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:58 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Where does he rank on the Greatest Free Agent Signing list? Bonds and Maddux sit 1-2.

clemenza, Friday, 28 September 2018 16:15 (two months ago) Permalink

a-rod's first (the much-maligned rangers deal) has to be in there

54.6 bWAR in seven seasons = 8.1/per

mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:22 (two months ago) Permalink

Max Scherzer has been worth 0.8 WAR as a hitter and fielder this season, leading all pitchers. That's more position player WAR than Charlie Blackmon https://t.co/tp1G0Te15G pic.twitter.com/aKehoiqIUs

— Baseball Reference (@baseball_ref) September 28, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Remember how the Tigers got Scherzer in 2009? 3-way trade between Yanks/DBacks/Tiggers.

The Yankees received:
Curtis Granderson from the Tigers

The Tigers received:
Phil Coke and Austin Jackson from the Yankees
Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from the D-backs

The D-backs received:
Edwin Jackson from the Tigers
Ian Kennedy from the Yankees

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 28 September 2018 17:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Total WAR for the signing team (treating it as one big contract--Bonds and Maddux must have renegotiated once or twice):

Bonds (1993-2007) - 112.5 (7.5/season)
Maddux (1993-2003) - 66.3 (6.0/season)
A-Rod (2004-2016) - 54.2 (4.5/season + sat out 2014)
Randy Johnson (1999-2004) - 48.1 (8.0/season)
Scherzer (2015-2018) - 29.2 (7.3 season)

I think mookieproof is combining A-Rod's Rangers years and his first few seasons with the Yankees; I meant service for one team. The Diamondbacks got four Cy Youngs in six seasons from Johnson.

Scherzer's near the top on a yearly basis, though he's still only halfway through the contract and far behind in total WAR.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Add Beltre's time with the Rangers (2011-2018) to the list:

43.3 (5.4/season)

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:25 (two months ago) Permalink

Manny Ramirez (2001-2008) - 36.7 (4.6/season)

(I'm getting some help from the internet.)

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:59 (two months ago) Permalink

Rafael Palmeiro (1994-1998) - 23.4 (4.7/season)
Rafael Palmeiro (1999-2003) - 20.9 (5.2/season)

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:02 (two months ago) Permalink

Taking into account total WAR, seasonal WAR, World Championships (ultimately the whole point of a splashy free-agent signing), and how much of a public relations nightmare the player ended up being (which applies to three or four of these guys), I'd rank them this way:

1. Bonds (public relations nightmare and no World Championships, but still)
2. Either Maddux or Johnson--I can see arguments for both
3. Manny Ramirez
4. Scherzer
5. A-Rod (you could rank him third, I guess...lots of headaches near the end)
6. Beltre (would like to place him higher, but I don't think you can)
7. Palmeiro

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:11 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah, i was talking about a-rod's initial 10-year/$252m deal with the rangers (which he then opted out from after seven years). i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract rather than stints with teams, although it's more difficult to parse.

i guess it broke the rangers, but that a-rod deal was very much worth it for value and still would have been even with the remaining three less impressive seasons. the yankees re-signing him after the 2007 season is far less defensible: eight years (not including the one he didn't get paid for), 23.3 bWAR, $226m

does ichiro count as a free agent signing?

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:09 (two months ago) Permalink

by stints-with-teams, roger clemens with the jays has to be up there too. those two seasons were fantastic, and they traded him at exactly the right time because the remaining years were less so

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:14 (two months ago) Permalink

write-in vote for miles (!) mikolas (!)

mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:51 (two months ago) Permalink

David Ortiz didn't have the WAR numbers during his two contracts w/the BoSox but he was an extremely good signing both times.

omar little, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I thought of Ichiro...somehow that seems different to me, being his first major league team. If you throw him in, he's somewhere in the middle. Ortiz, of course--had it my mind he came over in a trade, but you're right. And for just a stopover, Clemens might rank #1 (even though we didn't get any closer than 26 games out).

Ichiro (2001-2012) - 57.1 (4.8/season)
Ortiz (2003-2016) - 52.7 (3.8/season)
Clemens (1997-1998) - 20.0 (10.0/season)

i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract

Yeah, I wasn't factoring in money at all (or what you may have subsequently gotten, in a trade or with a draft pick, when the player left), just results.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:19 (two months ago) Permalink

Why is this restricted to post-'93 signings? Deals longer than 3-4 years were relatively rare before then (Bonds' deal was an icebreaker IIRC) but on an AAV basis there were plenty of good deals in the 80's and early 90's-- Rickey and Winfield with the Yankees, Nolan Ryan with the Astros, even Molitor with the Jays.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 September 2018 23:20 (two months ago) Permalink

I didn't consciously restrict it, just couldn't think of anything offhand. (I looked at Reggie with the Yankees.) Initially, I was thinking of long-term tenures, and it kind of veered off into shorter stays. Here are the ones you mention:

Henderson (1985-1989) - 36.0 (7.2/season)
Winfield (1981-1990) - 28.2 (3.1/season)
Ryan (1980-1988) - 25.5 (2.8/season)
Molitor (1993-1995) - 10.5 (3.5/season)

Henderson for sure. I definitely consider the other three singings very successful, and Molitor was huge in '93; I guess they don't quite rank with the others using WAR.

For everyone I've been calculating, I included the year-end total for players traded during their final season (e.g., Henderson). So their overall totals are very slightly off.

clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 00:09 (two months ago) Permalink

Sorry to go off-topic, but Max Scherzer will be starting tomorrow in Denver and needs 6Ks to break the club's single season record for strikeouts (Pedro '97)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Max who?

clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:38 (two months ago) Permalink

False Alarm, he'll be shut down:

Max Scherzer will no longer start tomorrow against the Rockies. Dave Martinez said they’ve decided to shut him down considering his workload this year.

Erick Fedde will start Sunday instead

— Jamal Collier (@JamalCollier) September 30, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:17 (two months ago) Permalink


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