Early favourite to join Clemens, Johnson, Maddux, and Carlton as the only four-time Cy Young winners (Kershaw and Seaver should probably have four too). Five years ago, when he put up the 21-3 season, I remember the gaudy W-L record drew some suspicion that he was just a good pitcher having a fluky year. Not Jewish. He is a Max.
― clemenza, Sunday, 20 May 2018 15:53 (three years ago) link
My favorite player outside of my team.
Big user of analytics.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:44 (three years ago) link
We bought tickets for Saturday's Jays-Nationals game a month-and-a-half ago...Giddy-up--Scherzer!
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 June 2018 01:37 (three years ago) link
max scherzer was born the same day that purple rain opened in theaters
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 16:36 (three years ago) link
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:11 (three years ago) link
Wow, great site. I like Ohtani's!
― timellison, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:39 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that's great, especially that you can search by artist.
Rolling Stones - 7 playersDylan - 1 player ("Like a Rolling Stone," Mark Canha)Drake - 45 players
Their database can't be complete--Prince and Michael Jackson come back with zero results, something I find hard to believe.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:58 (three years ago) link
Where does he rank on the Greatest Free Agent Signing list? Bonds and Maddux sit 1-2.
― clemenza, Friday, 28 September 2018 16:15 (three years ago) link
a-rod's first (the much-maligned rangers deal) has to be in there
54.6 bWAR in seven seasons = 8.1/per
― mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:22 (three years ago) link
Max Scherzer has been worth 0.8 WAR as a hitter and fielder this season, leading all pitchers. That's more position player WAR than Charlie Blackmon https://t.co/tp1G0Te15G pic.twitter.com/aKehoiqIUs— Baseball Reference (@baseball_ref) September 28, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:26 (three years ago) link
Remember how the Tigers got Scherzer in 2009? 3-way trade between Yanks/DBacks/Tiggers.
The Yankees received:Curtis Granderson from the Tigers
The Tigers received:Phil Coke and Austin Jackson from the YankeesMax Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from the D-backs
The D-backs received:Edwin Jackson from the TigersIan Kennedy from the Yankees
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 28 September 2018 17:27 (three years ago) link
Total WAR for the signing team (treating it as one big contract--Bonds and Maddux must have renegotiated once or twice):
Bonds (1993-2007) - 112.5 (7.5/season)Maddux (1993-2003) - 66.3 (6.0/season)A-Rod (2004-2016) - 54.2 (4.5/season + sat out 2014)Randy Johnson (1999-2004) - 48.1 (8.0/season)Scherzer (2015-2018) - 29.2 (7.3 season)
I think mookieproof is combining A-Rod's Rangers years and his first few seasons with the Yankees; I meant service for one team. The Diamondbacks got four Cy Youngs in six seasons from Johnson.
Scherzer's near the top on a yearly basis, though he's still only halfway through the contract and far behind in total WAR.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:13 (three years ago) link
Add Beltre's time with the Rangers (2011-2018) to the list:
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:25 (three years ago) link
Manny Ramirez (2001-2008) - 36.7 (4.6/season)
(I'm getting some help from the internet.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:59 (three years ago) link
Rafael Palmeiro (1994-1998) - 23.4 (4.7/season)Rafael Palmeiro (1999-2003) - 20.9 (5.2/season)
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:02 (three years ago) link
Taking into account total WAR, seasonal WAR, World Championships (ultimately the whole point of a splashy free-agent signing), and how much of a public relations nightmare the player ended up being (which applies to three or four of these guys), I'd rank them this way:
1. Bonds (public relations nightmare and no World Championships, but still)2. Either Maddux or Johnson--I can see arguments for both3. Manny Ramirez4. Scherzer5. A-Rod (you could rank him third, I guess...lots of headaches near the end)6. Beltre (would like to place him higher, but I don't think you can)7. Palmeiro
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:11 (three years ago) link
yeah, i was talking about a-rod's initial 10-year/$252m deal with the rangers (which he then opted out from after seven years). i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract rather than stints with teams, although it's more difficult to parse.
i guess it broke the rangers, but that a-rod deal was very much worth it for value and still would have been even with the remaining three less impressive seasons. the yankees re-signing him after the 2007 season is far less defensible: eight years (not including the one he didn't get paid for), 23.3 bWAR, $226m
does ichiro count as a free agent signing?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:09 (three years ago) link
by stints-with-teams, roger clemens with the jays has to be up there too. those two seasons were fantastic, and they traded him at exactly the right time because the remaining years were less so
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:14 (three years ago) link
write-in vote for miles (!) mikolas (!)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:51 (three years ago) link
David Ortiz didn't have the WAR numbers during his two contracts w/the BoSox but he was an extremely good signing both times.
― omar little, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:37 (three years ago) link
I thought of Ichiro...somehow that seems different to me, being his first major league team. If you throw him in, he's somewhere in the middle. Ortiz, of course--had it my mind he came over in a trade, but you're right. And for just a stopover, Clemens might rank #1 (even though we didn't get any closer than 26 games out).
Ichiro (2001-2012) - 57.1 (4.8/season)Ortiz (2003-2016) - 52.7 (3.8/season)Clemens (1997-1998) - 20.0 (10.0/season)
i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract
Yeah, I wasn't factoring in money at all (or what you may have subsequently gotten, in a trade or with a draft pick, when the player left), just results.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:19 (three years ago) link
Why is this restricted to post-'93 signings? Deals longer than 3-4 years were relatively rare before then (Bonds' deal was an icebreaker IIRC) but on an AAV basis there were plenty of good deals in the 80's and early 90's-- Rickey and Winfield with the Yankees, Nolan Ryan with the Astros, even Molitor with the Jays.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 September 2018 23:20 (three years ago) link
I didn't consciously restrict it, just couldn't think of anything offhand. (I looked at Reggie with the Yankees.) Initially, I was thinking of long-term tenures, and it kind of veered off into shorter stays. Here are the ones you mention:
Henderson (1985-1989) - 36.0 (7.2/season)Winfield (1981-1990) - 28.2 (3.1/season)Ryan (1980-1988) - 25.5 (2.8/season)Molitor (1993-1995) - 10.5 (3.5/season)
Henderson for sure. I definitely consider the other three singings very successful, and Molitor was huge in '93; I guess they don't quite rank with the others using WAR.
For everyone I've been calculating, I included the year-end total for players traded during their final season (e.g., Henderson). So their overall totals are very slightly off.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 00:09 (three years ago) link
Sorry to go off-topic, but Max Scherzer will be starting tomorrow in Denver and needs 6Ks to break the club's single season record for strikeouts (Pedro '97)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:29 (three years ago) link
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:38 (three years ago) link
False Alarm, he'll be shut down:
Max Scherzer will no longer start tomorrow against the Rockies. Dave Martinez said they’ve decided to shut him down considering his workload this year. Erick Fedde will start Sunday instead— Jamal Collier (@JamalCollier) September 30, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:17 (three years ago) link
10+ K starts since 4/29/2008 (Max Scherzer's MLB Debut)89 Scherzer84 Phillies78 Cubs78 WSox78 Rangers75 Dbacks (3 by Scherzer)75 Yanks72 Mariners66 Angels63 Brewers58 Marlins56 Jays56 Cards53 Reds52 Braves48 Rox42 Padres41 Bucs39 Royals38 A's30 Twins20 O's— Christopher Kamka (@ckamka) June 26, 2019
― na (NA), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:22 (two years ago) link
Dominant start today...Someone pointed out in an e-mail to James the other day how uncannily some of his basic career totals match Koufax's right now:
Scherzer (before today)
W-L: 166-87IP: 2232.0WHIP: 1.094ERA+: 133WAR: 57.6
W-L: 165-87IP: 2324.1WHIP: 1.106ERA+: 131WAR: 53.1
Scherzer has a much better K/BB ratio (4.29 to 2.93), Koufax the better FIP (2.69-3.13).
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:25 (two years ago) link
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 00:00 (two years ago) link
Koufax pretty good to.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:08 (two years ago) link
Missing his next start. Last nine:
IP - 64H - 40K - 94BB - 9HR - 3ERA - 0.84Game Scores - 71, 59, 86, 73, 72, 77, 78, 84, 79
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:02 (two years ago) link
Just because I like checking such things, I was curious how rare it is for a pitcher to have seven consecutive starts with a game score over 70. Yes, that's cherry-picked two ways: the game score of 70, and the number of starts. I realize that. It's a completely arbitrary and therefore largely meaningless achievement.
Anyway, I checked the game logs for a bunch of famous seasons starting with Gibson in '68: Seaver in '69, Vida Blue in '71, Carlton in '72, Guidry in '78, Gooden in '85, Clemens in '86, Hershiser in '88, Maddux in '94/95, Clemens in '97/98, Pedro in '00/01, Johnson in '01/02, Kershaw in '14, deGrom last year. Hardly exhaustive, just wanted something I could manage in five minutes. From those seasons, the only ones to do it were Blue in '71 and Hershiser in '88 (the scoreless streak plus the start before). Gibson had an average game score of 76 in 1968, but not seven consecutive starts of 70+.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:01 (two years ago) link
Let me rephrase: largely redundant achievement, in that it's just another way of measuring what we already know, that Scherzer has been pretty great the past seven starts.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:09 (two years ago) link
what about arrieta that year?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 03:59 (two years ago) link
what was that? 14? 15? sorry I’m a little drunk
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:00 (two years ago) link
Arrieta didn't have more than three in a row that year (2015). However, his Game Scores for his final nine starts were:
70, 69, 98, 81, 71, 68, 91, 84, 75
If we lower clem's (arbitrary) threshold, that's nine straight over 68.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 14 July 2019 09:20 (two years ago) link
If you loosen the parameters a bit, there are many more impressive streaks than Scherzer's just from that small group. If you go to a game score of 65, Gibson has a 15-game streak in '68 (May 17-July 30). His worst start during that run: 8 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 5 K, 1 BB. He hit 80-89 nine times and was over 90 twice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:48 (two years ago) link
Speaking of whom, bad news:
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:54 (two years ago) link
Day-to-day; not good when the best player and the best pitcher in the game are simultaneously down.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:26 (two years ago) link
(Oops--thought I was posting on the Trout thread. He's the one who's day-to-day; Scherzer's on the 10-day.)
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:28 (two years ago) link
Is this common knowledge? I never knew it: he has heterochromia iridum, meaning his eyes aren't the same colour.
If he'd been on the '69 Pilots, he would have had an undoubtedly cruel nickname.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:56 (two years ago) link
i think it's common knowledge around these parts -- he has the excellent nickname "Blue Eye" apparently, in addition to the more common "Mad Max". the former name is real Bond villainish.
― omar little, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:01 (two years ago) link
11 years ago, on the day Max was called up to the bigs, felicity (arguably the best contributor to I Love Baseball) wrote:
Max Scherzer petrified 13 straight batters with his deadly gaze!Difficulty: 8Attacks: Pitch 1d3, Petrification--You behold Max Scherzer . . .--You are terrified by his 2-color eyes, and cannot move . . .--You cannot see the release point . . .--You hear Max Scherzer's fastball hissing!--You have become a statue.
Difficulty: 8Attacks: Pitch 1d3, Petrification
--You behold Max Scherzer . . .--You are terrified by his 2-color eyes, and cannot move . . .--You cannot see the release point . . .--You hear Max Scherzer's fastball hissing!--You have become a statue.
when will the 2008 Arizona Diamondbacks come back to earth?
so my advice young clem, is to stick around, maybe catch up on the archives.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:14 (two years ago) link
Sorry for the duress and inconvenience caused by my redundant post.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 23:06 (two years ago) link
Scherzer and Strasburg for their careers:
ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 H/9 HR/9Max Scherzer 3.20 1.092 10.6 2.4 7.4 1.0Stephen Strasburg 3.17 1.086 10.6 2.4 7.4 0.9
― clemenza, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:04 (two years ago) link
I'm curious to see how Strasburg does in his 30s. There are quite a few power pitchers whose inconsistencies seem to be tamed in their late 20s and their prime production continues well into their mid to late 30s even to their 40s with a few.
― earlnash, Sunday, 10 November 2019 15:21 (two years ago) link
I lump Max in with that class of pitcher with preternatural calm and a murderous gaze, liable to go off and choke somebody to death if their control slips for a second. Kenny Rogers and Kevin Brown are two I can think of -- I'm sure there are others.
― WmC, Sunday, 10 November 2019 18:23 (two years ago) link
― earlnash, Monday, 11 November 2019 02:20 (two years ago) link
― Trussrippers WILL be persecuted! (WmC), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:25 (two years ago) link
14 K in 7 innings against the Yankees. (99 pitches, but still in there.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 May 2021 21:52 (eight months ago) link
max scherzer is 0-for-45 this season with zero walks
he does have two sac bunts and a sac fly
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 August 2021 03:28 (four months ago) link
gonna reach 3000 K in his next start
absolutely lights-out since being traded
is his deal with washington the best huge contract ever?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:57 (four months ago) link
if you asked me how many pitchers are there with 3000 Ks i would've guessed more than 19. like at least 30.
― ✖, Sunday, 12 September 2021 21:49 (four months ago) link
anyway scherzer is #19
You could also track his game on another thread...80 pitches, two more innings.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:05 (four months ago) link
Damn. A perfect game, 3,000th K, and an immaculate inning would have been a pretty good start.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:30 (four months ago) link
Lowest ERA in 1st 8 appearances with a team, all starts (single season since ER official in both leagues, 1913):2021 Max Scherzer, LAD: 0.881998 Randy Johnson, HOU: 1.001984 Phil Niekro, NYY: 1.04— Sarah Langs (@SlangsOnSports) September 12, 2021
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 September 2021 23:07 (four months ago) link
I really had no idea the "immaculate inning" -- nine pitches, nine strikes, three strikeouts -- was so rare. scherzer joined sandy koufax and chris sale as the only pitchers in history with three such innings in their career
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 September 2021 16:13 (four months ago) link
I'm the only person on here who pays the least bit of attention to this tabulation (I won't call it a stat), but Scherzer moved ahead of Kershaw into 4th place on Baseball Reference's Cy Young Share list:
1. Roger Clemens (7 wins) 7.662. Randy Johnson (5 wins) 6.503. Greg Maddux (4 wins) 4.924. Max Scherzer (3 wins) 4.615. Clayton Kershaw (3 wins) 4.586. Steve Carlton (4 wins) 4.297. Pedro Martinez (3 wins) 4.268. Justin Verlander (2 wins) 4.219. Tom Seaver (3 wins) 3.8510. Jim Palmer (3 wins) 3.57
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:04 (two months ago) link
Two two will be there forever, probably, but Scherzer may pass Maddux for third.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:05 (two months ago) link
Two two = top two
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:26 (two months ago) link
Thought “two two” was some weird nick name I’d never heard before!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 20 November 2021 17:59 (two months ago) link