Early favourite to join Clemens, Johnson, Maddux, and Carlton as the only four-time Cy Young winners (Kershaw and Seaver should probably have four too). Five years ago, when he put up the 21-3 season, I remember the gaudy W-L record drew some suspicion that he was just a good pitcher having a fluky year. Not Jewish. He is a Max.
― clemenza, Sunday, 20 May 2018 15:53 (one year ago) link
My favorite player outside of my team.
Big user of analytics.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 21 May 2018 18:44 (one year ago) link
We bought tickets for Saturday's Jays-Nationals game a month-and-a-half ago...Giddy-up--Scherzer!
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 June 2018 01:37 (one year ago) link
max scherzer was born the same day that purple rain opened in theaters
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 16:36 (eleven months ago) link
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:11 (eleven months ago) link
Wow, great site. I like Ohtani's!
― timellison, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:39 (eleven months ago) link
Yeah, that's great, especially that you can search by artist.
Rolling Stones - 7 playersDylan - 1 player ("Like a Rolling Stone," Mark Canha)Drake - 45 players
Their database can't be complete--Prince and Michael Jackson come back with zero results, something I find hard to believe.
― clemenza, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:58 (eleven months ago) link
Where does he rank on the Greatest Free Agent Signing list? Bonds and Maddux sit 1-2.
― clemenza, Friday, 28 September 2018 16:15 (nine months ago) link
a-rod's first (the much-maligned rangers deal) has to be in there
54.6 bWAR in seven seasons = 8.1/per
― mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:22 (nine months ago) link
Max Scherzer has been worth 0.8 WAR as a hitter and fielder this season, leading all pitchers. That's more position player WAR than Charlie Blackmon https://t.co/tp1G0Te15G pic.twitter.com/aKehoiqIUs— Baseball Reference (@baseball_ref) September 28, 2018
― mookieproof, Friday, 28 September 2018 17:26 (nine months ago) link
Remember how the Tigers got Scherzer in 2009? 3-way trade between Yanks/DBacks/Tiggers.
The Yankees received:Curtis Granderson from the Tigers
The Tigers received:Phil Coke and Austin Jackson from the YankeesMax Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from the D-backs
The D-backs received:Edwin Jackson from the TigersIan Kennedy from the Yankees
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 28 September 2018 17:27 (nine months ago) link
Total WAR for the signing team (treating it as one big contract--Bonds and Maddux must have renegotiated once or twice):
Bonds (1993-2007) - 112.5 (7.5/season)Maddux (1993-2003) - 66.3 (6.0/season)A-Rod (2004-2016) - 54.2 (4.5/season + sat out 2014)Randy Johnson (1999-2004) - 48.1 (8.0/season)Scherzer (2015-2018) - 29.2 (7.3 season)
I think mookieproof is combining A-Rod's Rangers years and his first few seasons with the Yankees; I meant service for one team. The Diamondbacks got four Cy Youngs in six seasons from Johnson.
Scherzer's near the top on a yearly basis, though he's still only halfway through the contract and far behind in total WAR.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:13 (nine months ago) link
Add Beltre's time with the Rangers (2011-2018) to the list:
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:25 (nine months ago) link
Manny Ramirez (2001-2008) - 36.7 (4.6/season)
(I'm getting some help from the internet.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 14:59 (nine months ago) link
Rafael Palmeiro (1994-1998) - 23.4 (4.7/season)Rafael Palmeiro (1999-2003) - 20.9 (5.2/season)
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:02 (nine months ago) link
Taking into account total WAR, seasonal WAR, World Championships (ultimately the whole point of a splashy free-agent signing), and how much of a public relations nightmare the player ended up being (which applies to three or four of these guys), I'd rank them this way:
1. Bonds (public relations nightmare and no World Championships, but still)2. Either Maddux or Johnson--I can see arguments for both3. Manny Ramirez4. Scherzer5. A-Rod (you could rank him third, I guess...lots of headaches near the end)6. Beltre (would like to place him higher, but I don't think you can)7. Palmeiro
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 15:11 (nine months ago) link
yeah, i was talking about a-rod's initial 10-year/$252m deal with the rangers (which he then opted out from after seven years). i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract rather than stints with teams, although it's more difficult to parse.
i guess it broke the rangers, but that a-rod deal was very much worth it for value and still would have been even with the remaining three less impressive seasons. the yankees re-signing him after the 2007 season is far less defensible: eight years (not including the one he didn't get paid for), 23.3 bWAR, $226m
does ichiro count as a free agent signing?
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:09 (nine months ago) link
by stints-with-teams, roger clemens with the jays has to be up there too. those two seasons were fantastic, and they traded him at exactly the right time because the remaining years were less so
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 18:14 (nine months ago) link
write-in vote for miles (!) mikolas (!)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:51 (nine months ago) link
David Ortiz didn't have the WAR numbers during his two contracts w/the BoSox but he was an extremely good signing both times.
― omar little, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:37 (nine months ago) link
I thought of Ichiro...somehow that seems different to me, being his first major league team. If you throw him in, he's somewhere in the middle. Ortiz, of course--had it my mind he came over in a trade, but you're right. And for just a stopover, Clemens might rank #1 (even though we didn't get any closer than 26 games out).
Ichiro (2001-2012) - 57.1 (4.8/season)Ortiz (2003-2016) - 52.7 (3.8/season)Clemens (1997-1998) - 20.0 (10.0/season)
i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract
Yeah, I wasn't factoring in money at all (or what you may have subsequently gotten, in a trade or with a draft pick, when the player left), just results.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:19 (nine months ago) link
Why is this restricted to post-'93 signings? Deals longer than 3-4 years were relatively rare before then (Bonds' deal was an icebreaker IIRC) but on an AAV basis there were plenty of good deals in the 80's and early 90's-- Rickey and Winfield with the Yankees, Nolan Ryan with the Astros, even Molitor with the Jays.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 September 2018 23:20 (nine months ago) link
I didn't consciously restrict it, just couldn't think of anything offhand. (I looked at Reggie with the Yankees.) Initially, I was thinking of long-term tenures, and it kind of veered off into shorter stays. Here are the ones you mention:
Henderson (1985-1989) - 36.0 (7.2/season)Winfield (1981-1990) - 28.2 (3.1/season)Ryan (1980-1988) - 25.5 (2.8/season)Molitor (1993-1995) - 10.5 (3.5/season)
Henderson for sure. I definitely consider the other three singings very successful, and Molitor was huge in '93; I guess they don't quite rank with the others using WAR.
For everyone I've been calculating, I included the year-end total for players traded during their final season (e.g., Henderson). So their overall totals are very slightly off.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 00:09 (nine months ago) link
Sorry to go off-topic, but Max Scherzer will be starting tomorrow in Denver and needs 6Ks to break the club's single season record for strikeouts (Pedro '97)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:29 (nine months ago) link
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:38 (nine months ago) link
False Alarm, he'll be shut down:
Max Scherzer will no longer start tomorrow against the Rockies. Dave Martinez said they’ve decided to shut him down considering his workload this year. Erick Fedde will start Sunday instead— Jamal Collier (@JamalCollier) September 30, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:17 (nine months ago) link
10+ K starts since 4/29/2008 (Max Scherzer's MLB Debut)89 Scherzer84 Phillies78 Cubs78 WSox78 Rangers75 Dbacks (3 by Scherzer)75 Yanks72 Mariners66 Angels63 Brewers58 Marlins56 Jays56 Cards53 Reds52 Braves48 Rox42 Padres41 Bucs39 Royals38 A's30 Twins20 O's— Christopher Kamka (@ckamka) June 26, 2019
― na (NA), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:22 (three weeks ago) link
Dominant start today...Someone pointed out in an e-mail to James the other day how uncannily some of his basic career totals match Koufax's right now:
Scherzer (before today)
W-L: 166-87IP: 2232.0WHIP: 1.094ERA+: 133WAR: 57.6
W-L: 165-87IP: 2324.1WHIP: 1.106ERA+: 131WAR: 53.1
Scherzer has a much better K/BB ratio (4.29 to 2.93), Koufax the better FIP (2.69-3.13).
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:25 (two weeks ago) link
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 00:00 (two weeks ago) link
Koufax pretty good to.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:08 (two weeks ago) link
Missing his next start. Last nine:
IP - 64H - 40K - 94BB - 9HR - 3ERA - 0.84Game Scores - 71, 59, 86, 73, 72, 77, 78, 84, 79
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:02 (six days ago) link
Just because I like checking such things, I was curious how rare it is for a pitcher to have seven consecutive starts with a game score over 70. Yes, that's cherry-picked two ways: the game score of 70, and the number of starts. I realize that. It's a completely arbitrary and therefore largely meaningless achievement.
Anyway, I checked the game logs for a bunch of famous seasons starting with Gibson in '68: Seaver in '69, Vida Blue in '71, Carlton in '72, Guidry in '78, Gooden in '85, Clemens in '86, Hershiser in '88, Maddux in '94/95, Clemens in '97/98, Pedro in '00/01, Johnson in '01/02, Kershaw in '14, deGrom last year. Hardly exhaustive, just wanted something I could manage in five minutes. From those seasons, the only ones to do it were Blue in '71 and Hershiser in '88 (the scoreless streak plus the start before). Gibson had an average game score of 76 in 1968, but not seven consecutive starts of 70+.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:01 (six days ago) link
Let me rephrase: largely redundant achievement, in that it's just another way of measuring what we already know, that Scherzer has been pretty great the past seven starts.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:09 (six days ago) link
what about arrieta that year?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 03:59 (five days ago) link
what was that? 14? 15? sorry I’m a little drunk
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:00 (five days ago) link
Arrieta didn't have more than three in a row that year (2015). However, his Game Scores for his final nine starts were:
70, 69, 98, 81, 71, 68, 91, 84, 75
If we lower clem's (arbitrary) threshold, that's nine straight over 68.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 14 July 2019 09:20 (five days ago) link
If you loosen the parameters a bit, there are many more impressive streaks than Scherzer's just from that small group. If you go to a game score of 65, Gibson has a 15-game streak in '68 (May 17-July 30). His worst start during that run: 8 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 5 K, 1 BB. He hit 80-89 nine times and was over 90 twice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:48 (five days ago) link
Speaking of whom, bad news:
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:54 (five days ago) link
Day-to-day; not good when the best player and the best pitcher in the game are simultaneously down.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:26 (four days ago) link
(Oops--thought I was posting on the Trout thread. He's the one who's day-to-day; Scherzer's on the 10-day.)
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:28 (four days ago) link