vladimir guerrero.

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vladimir guerrero. that is all.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 14:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

RIP

s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

^ ban

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Teams

* Montreal Expos (1996-2003)

:(

s1ocki, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

how does the guy hit like that when he'll swing at anything?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 15:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

^^^ please note: his numerous back injuries. ^^^

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 16:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

moyer on guerrero: "I say this respectfully: he's a freak. He's a very good hitter without a strike zone. He can hit the ball in, hit the ball off the plate away, hit the ball up and go get the ball that's down. He covers the plate, and beyond."

max, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 16:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Best player in the game.

J0hn D., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I don't understand the thread. What about him? He's good, but "that is all"? I'm missing something.

He has a great arm in the outfield too.

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

vladimir guerrero. end communication.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

tracer otm

jergïns, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 17:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Insightful- He's good, but he doesn't transcend the sport or anything. Plus he strikes out a lot. He could play for my team anytime, but I don't think he's worthy of any type of worship. What's he got, one ring?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

vladimir

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE:

dudes who are repping his fielding/arm should look at the last 3 years.
vlad's 2007 HR total was a career low.

Steve Shasta, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Plus, didn't he fuck up their playoff series somehow?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

guys i think what tracer's trying to say is: vladimir guerrero

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

vladimir guerrero

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

im in class right now but later i will post a youtube of the throw of him gunning cliff floyd at home from the warning track

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

he's no dave parker

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

guerrero

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

vlad

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

HOF, first ballot

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

not quite yet, i don't think

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

v

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

for vladetta

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

if everyone wore vlad masks on guy fawkes day, it would be much better.

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

my brother and i used to talk about how cool it would be to see vladdy pitch for an inning. irl he would probably blow out his arm but i think from the mound he could throw like 105+

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also i can't find that throw on youtube but i've got this:

"He's a mutant!" - Scott Stuart (after seeing Vladimir Guerrero throw out a runner at third from the Olympic Stadium warning track on a 1-hop bullet) on ESPN's SportCenter

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The July 2006 issue of Playboy featured the first formal nude photos of Guerrero. Part of his motivation for posing for the magazine, his said, was the camera phone incident; he wanted people to see what he really looked like naked.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~cxw8679/Vlad

bnw, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Now I get the point of the thread. D'oh!

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

What's he got, one ring?

and Luis Sojo has 3 or 4, so your point?

Similar Batters through Age 31

Willie Mays (907) *
Frank Robinson (891) *
Duke Snider (876) *
Manny Ramirez (874)
Juan Gonzalez (871)
Hank Aaron (869) *
Mickey Mantle (843) *
Ken Griffey (839)
Goose Goslin (837) *
Al Simmons (831) *

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:15 (eleven years ago) Permalink

HOF Standards: Batting - 48.7 (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 174.0 (Likely HOFer > 100)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The One Ring was created by the Dark Lord Sauron during the Second Age in order to gain dominion over the free peoples of Middle-earth. In disguise as Annatar, or "Lord of Gifts", he aided the Elven smiths of Eregion and their leader Celebrimbor in the making of the Rings of Power. He then forged the One Ring himself in the fires of Mount Doom. He intended it to be the most powerful of all Rings, able to rule and control the others (as long as their owners wore them). Since the other Rings were extremely powerful, Sauron was obliged to place most of his native power, life force and will into it to effect his purpose. there were certain pros & cons to this. The pros was that as long as the Ring existed, it was literally quite impossible to remove him from the mortal plane. On the other hand, the cons that the Ring possessed was that if he were to lose the Ring, he would also lose a great deal of his own power (when it was cut off from his hand, he lost/forsook a physical body for at least another 2500 years), and if the Ring were to be destroyed, he too would be vanquished in the process.

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

of that list i guess only igor, manny and jr. wore batting gloves

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Montreal's turf (& maybe swinging at everything w/ 150% effort) messed him up. ;_;

Also: no rings. ;_;

Also: the Angels hitters aside from Vlad kinda blow. u_u

But: vladimir guerrero!!! :D

David R., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

LAAoA: worst team name in sports? I can't think of many worse ones. Maybe Wash'n Redskins, or FC United.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/VladTavares.jpg

G00blar, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/14/4729002/vladimir-guerrero-retires-mlb

Okay...didn't realize this needed to be done.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2013 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

these days, Wladimir Balentien (sp?) is where it's at

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:26 (five years ago) Permalink

one of my favorite players ever

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (five years ago) Permalink

vlad, that is

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (five years ago) Permalink

that gif is inhuman

johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:02 (five years ago) Permalink

sure felt like a HOFer when he played, but man he fell off fast. still rooting for him tho, even if he has less WAR than kenny lofton

fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

jk i'd vote for lofton too

fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (five years ago) Permalink

four years pass...

thought about starting a thread for him, but don't wanna jump the gun yet

vlad guerrero jr, the top prospect in baseball. absolutely TEARING UP double-A ball right now -- hitting .400/.450/.650. he just turned 19

and there's this: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/video-vlad-jr-homers-twice-once-off-a-hotel/

k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:45 (eleven months ago) Permalink

i'm all for this thread. i want him to be amazing.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:46 (eleven months ago) Permalink

The Jays have successfully convinced their fans that they're a small market team in a metropolis of six million people. Convincing the same fans that Vlad Jr isn't ready to play in the majors shouldn't be too difficult.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 18:16 (one month ago) Permalink

I don’t think anyone here buys either of those.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 28 February 2019 02:01 (one month ago) Permalink

Supposedly Jays fans are all over Twitter screaming bloody murder about what Atkins said, but I asked someone at work today if he thought Guerrero took it personally or if he understood what was going on, and he thought the latter. Atkins could've been a little more artful, I suppose, but it's such an obvious smokescreen (which, admittedly, I wouldn't have understood myself a couple of years ago--I've never been that interested in the business side of the game). Would anyone really rather have a few extra weeks of Guerrero this year or a whole extra year of him down the road?

clemenza, Thursday, 28 February 2019 02:11 (one month ago) Permalink

I'd rather cultivate a good relationship with my best player so maybe he'll re-sign

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 02:35 (one month ago) Permalink

Does Toronto even want to sell tickets? C'mon...at this point you play him to get people in the seats.

F-ing baseball is so stupid, this type bs why they have this guy Mike Trout who is by the numbers the greatest hitter since Ted Williams or near Babe Ruth and really not many people even know who he is.

earlnash, Thursday, 28 February 2019 02:55 (one month ago) Permalink

it's going to be a whole three weeks of waiting to see him, give or take? i'm sure they'll sell tickets just fine when they call him up, and then it will creep back down again because the team still isn't very good.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 28 February 2019 02:59 (one month ago) Permalink

but also, how many batting titles has trout won? how many times leading the league in HRs? he has the curse of being very very good in all facets of the game, leading to an incredible overall value, while not being incredible in any single area that wow people who don't follow baseball closely

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 February 2019 03:02 (one month ago) Permalink

honestly I find it hard to care too much about these situations, it's a few weeks

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 February 2019 03:09 (one month ago) Permalink

cultivating a good relationship doesn't even matter because vlad will ultimately go where the money is in free agency, and based on current trends that won't be toronto either way

a few weeks doesn't really matter, but dude is insulting everyone's intelligence -- literally everyone knows vlad mysteriously won't be ~ready~ until mid-april, at least don't bullshit us

see also manfred talking about salaries and desire to win. if you can't say something that isn't blatantly a lie, maybe just shut up

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 February 2019 03:28 (one month ago) Permalink

I agree his comments were not very bright.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 28 February 2019 05:38 (one month ago) Permalink

cultivating a good relationship doesn't even matter because vlad will ultimately go where the money is in free agency

If you have a good relationship, maybe he'll accept an extension before he hits free agency.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 20:01 (one month ago) Permalink

it's a few weeks

He was ready opening day last year too.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 February 2019 20:05 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah it's a not a few weeks, it's a full year.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 28 February 2019 20:46 (one month ago) Permalink

eh. I’m not convinced about that it was clear at the time he was ready a full year ago

k3vin k., Thursday, 28 February 2019 21:53 (one month ago) Permalink

His minor league numbers are clear he was.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 28 February 2019 22:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Nobody wants to hear that his defense is rated below average in the minors (if you slot him as DH you'd need to trade/dump Kendry who's due to earn $12M this year) and he had 2 lower body injuries last season.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm pretty sure he could have played last year and put together a rookie season at least the equal of Harper's. But you'd be losing him at what, 24 or 25?

clemenza, Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:20 (one month ago) Permalink

i think he could have played and been fine, but yeah his defense needed work and bumping an 18yo up straight from high-A would have been *extremely* aggressive.

he earned a september call-up though (which he didn't get, of course) and the extra two weeks in the minors this april won't be what magically transforms him into a viable big-leaguer. especially when brandon drury is their top 3B

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:54 (one month ago) Permalink

just play him for the love of god. this season is sure to blow again, give us something novel to be excited about

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 February 2019 23:56 (one month ago) Permalink

really hate to be the republican in this discussion but the team has to look out for its own interests, and that includes making sure he's ready (which is why bringing him up when he'd only proven himself against A-level pitching would have been too early) and making sure they retain control for an extra season (which is why bringing him up last year for meaningless games or starting him this year does not make sense). the issue is with the CBA; the team is just doing what it has to

k3vin k., Friday, 1 March 2019 02:48 (one month ago) Permalink

^^^k3vin is a cop

no, that is true. but in the long run baseball as a whole would be better served by having its best players play. (i mean, pop doesn't care, but the nba will fine you if you rest your stars too much.) saying 'we're gonna play crappy players now so we can have better players in 2025' is straight-up saying that the team isn't really trying to win. as a fan, maybe i'll come back in 2025 and maybe i won't, but that's a pretty big turnoff, and it should worry the league more than saving money here and there. if baseball had an independent arbiter concerned about the overall health of the game, such an entity might try rearranging the incentives to reward competition a bit more.

(of course this sort of thing in particular is hard to gauge because there *are* legitimate reasons to leave players in the minors sometimes. )

mookieproof, Friday, 1 March 2019 03:46 (one month ago) Permalink

I agree it’s a bad look for the game, I just don’t think that appealing to morality when trying to convince front offices to go against their own interests is something that is likely to work.

k3vin k., Friday, 1 March 2019 04:01 (one month ago) Permalink

one appropriate thing might be to start the arb/free agency clock at signing rather than basing it on MLB playing time (presumably with different speeds for int'l signings/high schoolers/college players)

i mean i joke about the jays calling vlad up in mid april, but . . . they're not likely to catch the sox or yankees this season, so it might also be in their interests to stash him in the minors for several years. which as far as i know would be perfectly legal under the CBA, if an extremely bad look

mookieproof, Friday, 1 March 2019 04:17 (one month ago) Permalink

I don't think it's appealing to morality more so than questioning if the long term health of the game is being challenged by the short term thinking of some owners.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 1 March 2019 04:36 (one month ago) Permalink

"The team has to look out for its own interest" -- sure, under the current rules, it makes perfect sense to manipulate the service time of their best young players. They'd be stupid *not* to take advantage of that loophole. That's not the problem, the problem is that the loophole is BS and screws over both the players and the fans.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 1 March 2019 08:06 (one month ago) Permalink

What is the league's rationale for letting guys come up June 1st without losing a year, but not April 1st?

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 1 March 2019 17:59 (one month ago) Permalink

the deal that the union negotiated with the league basically left this loophole open, where a certain amount of service time is required to burn a year of team control. not sure why the union agreed to it, but for the league it means happier owners who can play effective (sometimes REALLY effective) players for longer without paying them a lot. i guess it allows smaller market teams, if they're good with scouting, coaching and shrewd with contracts, to compete at a high level with a "bigger window" to sync up their quality youngsters. it's gotten completely insane now, though, where these arb-eligible/young guys are SO much cheaper than free agents, that there's no incentive to hire those free agents if you have a guy who's half as good and a tenth of the price.

as much as i don't want to miss any baseball, it's fucked up and i support the seemingly inevitable strike to get these folks paid

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 18:48 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm not sure that answered your question lol i had too much coffee. it's all trash, let vlad play in toronto until there's a new montreal team for him to join

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 18:59 (one month ago) Permalink

i have mixed feelings about that last detail.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:07 (one month ago) Permalink

ahhhh but look montreal isn't getting a team for like 20 years at this rate so you'll still get the best of vlad jr

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Friday, 1 March 2019 20:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Montreal can still hope for Vlad Jr Jr

Van Horn Street, Friday, 1 March 2019 20:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Vlad Guerrero, Third of His Name, Breaker of ERAs, King of Baseball North

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 2 March 2019 16:12 (one month ago) Permalink

out 3 weeks with an oblique strain.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 10 March 2019 16:49 (one month ago) Permalink

let's see, 3 weeks from march 10 is...

*checks calendar*

yep, late april

but i'm there are fuckups (Karl Malone), Sunday, 10 March 2019 16:54 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Rumored to have been called up to AAA Buffalo.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:51 (one week ago) Permalink

homer, double, four RBI in his first game with buffalo

i believe we have passed the point where the jays have gotten their extra year of control, so it could be any day now

mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 16:56 (one week ago) Permalink

Lot of talk on the radio tonight: how much notice will fans get, will the debut be a sell-out, is this the most anticipated debut of any Toronto athlete ever (any sport), etc. If there's enough notice, I might just try to buy a couple of cheap seats immediately and figure out who else can go later.

clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:05 (one week ago) Permalink

you live there, but i guess i'd be surprised if vlad's debut is a bigger deal than auston matthews'

mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Matthews' name came up, and the three hosts seemed to concur that this was bigger (in part because Matthews' four-goal debut was on the road).

clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:31 (one week ago) Permalink

ah, cool

mookieproof, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I kind of agree with Matthews myself. I also thought of Vince Carter--not sure how long it for "Vinsanity" to take hold. I looked up his home debut: third game overall, 22 points, attendance ~15,000.

Something that made me laugh: Halladay's name came up, it was pointed out that he began with relatively little fanfare, and someone asked "Does anyone remember Halladay's debut?" Well, his first start was on the road, but in his first start in Toronto he came within one out of a no-hitter. So yeah, I think quite a few people remember.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtzmTHHZlA

clemenza, Friday, 12 April 2019 23:47 (one week ago) Permalink

.500/.583/.900 through 12 AB in Buffalo. Probably ready...

clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:16 (six days ago) Permalink

I’m sure if social media was what it is now back then, Halladay’s debut would have been a bigger deal.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 15 April 2019 21:20 (six days ago) Permalink

He was a first-round pick, but relatively low (17th), and he hadn't done much in the minors before he arrived. Everything's a bigger deal on social media, but I don't think he would have approached the Guerrero/Matthews/Carter kind of anticipation.

clemenza, Monday, 15 April 2019 22:42 (six days ago) Permalink

Wow!

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. now has exactly the same number of at-bats his dad had before his MLB debut. Through 1,055 AB's,

Vlad Sr: .343 AVG, 45 HR, 184 RBI, 95 BB, 115 K in 285 G
Vlad Jr: .332 AVG, 42 HR, 206 RBI, 149 BB, 137 K in 283 G

— Kelsie Heneghan (@Kelsie_Heneghan) April 15, 2019

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 00:03 (five days ago) Permalink

According to my source this will come true. https://t.co/gj5a1i2Lmk

— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) February 7, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:22 (two days ago) Permalink

uh... i meant:

SOURCE: The Blue Jays will call up Vladimir Guerrero Jr. He will make his MLB's debut on Tuesday vs @SFGigantes, at Rogers Centre.#ZDigital #ZDeportes @z101digital @ZDeportes

— Héctor Gómez (@hgomez27) April 19, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:24 (two days ago) Permalink

Another reporter is throwing cold water on that report. Going to the game either way, so I’m hopeful.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:00 (two days ago) Permalink

*hoping.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:00 (two days ago) Permalink

I've got a busy week, so unless they hold off till Saturday I'm out of luck. The other thing is, if I were to go, I want an actual ticket, not a computer printout. So that would pretty much necessitate buying the day of.

clemenza, Saturday, 20 April 2019 15:41 (yesterday) Permalink


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