Trying to perfect tanking: 2018 Chicago White Sox

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thread title courtesy of https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2018/4/2/17187594/chicago-white-sox-redefining-tanking-cubs-astros

a pretty fun team? six home runs in their first game of the season, including three from matt davidson and two from tim anderson

na (NA), Monday, 2 April 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link

The other good news is that this is the last Hawk year and Jason Benetti is awesome.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link

i think that title (which rany j presumably did not choose) is unreasonable

rebuilding is a long-standing practice -- they traded their dudes for high-ceiling prospects, not to deliberately be terrible and get high draft picks, like the sixers or whomever

i'd be more inclined to call whatever the marlins are doing 'tanking' except that i don't know if they are trying or even care about ultimately improving

mookieproof, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 02:52 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Danny Farquhar suffered a brain hemorrhage last night and is in critical condition.

omar little, Saturday, 21 April 2018 20:51 (six years ago) link

“He’s a fighter, and he’s in the fight of his life right now,’’ Chicago White Sox vice president Ken Williams said. “They had to do another surgery, cracking his skull open, and putting a clamp on it. My God.

“This certainly shows the fragility of life and how we take every day for granted. And it can change in a heartbeat. Literally.

“His wife and mother were at the game that night, and by the time they got to the clubhouse, he was already in an ambulance heading to the hospital. Can you imagine what they went through, and are still going through?’’

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/04/22/danny-farquhar-brain-aneurysm/540455002

Andy K, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:50 (six years ago) link

three months pass...

First career HR:

LaMarre: "I’m not sure which uncle. I have a lot of them. But one of them caught the ball, which is crazy."

— Scott Merkin (@scottmerkin) August 15, 2018

Andy K, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 02:51 (five years ago) link

kopech up tomorrow. not sure why, but his command has dramatically improved in the last six weeks -- should be intersting

mookieproof, Monday, 20 August 2018 16:36 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

maybe tim anderson is good after all

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 April 2019 17:36 (five years ago) link

three months pass...

the Mets telecast just featured the phrase "White Sox legend Paul Konerko"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 August 2019 01:54 (four years ago) link

three years pass...

hate to say it, but maybe TLR wasn't the biggest problem?

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 01:10 (one year ago) link

they are pretty depressing. the pitching is bad all-around, their best players are constantly injured, there's still a lot of rando chaff guys in the lineup. robert started the season off hot but cooled off quickly. they made no moves at all in the offseason aside from losing abreu and signing benintendi. mostly there just doesn't seem to be any energy or motivation among the players, they should probably just go into rebuild mode at this point.

na (NA), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:09 (one year ago) link

Tim Anderson is a free agent in 2024 as well.

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 13:39 (one year ago) link

i think they are cursed for continuing to employ mike clevinger

na (NA), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:46 (one year ago) link

though the braves seem to get away with continuing to employ marcell ozuna, so who knows

na (NA), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:48 (one year ago) link

xp oh yeah forgot that

Absolutely cursed 2 of those 7 wins are his starts 😑

Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 19:58 (one year ago) link

Are we *sure* the #whitesox fired La Russa?

— Joe Sheehan (@joe_sheehan) April 26, 2023

Andy K, Wednesday, 26 April 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-white-sox-are-utterly-terrible/

na (NA), Friday, 28 April 2023 19:00 (one year ago) link

took a no-hitter into the 7th inning and ended up losing 12-3 (to the rays, to be fair)

na (NA), Sunday, 30 April 2023 03:54 (one year ago) link

also pedro grifol pulled luis robert from the game for not hustling out a ground ball

na (NA), Sunday, 30 April 2023 14:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

someone hire ashlyn burger

Jake Burger said his wife analyzed video of his stance yesterday and made a correction. ‘She drew a whole diagram and everything. She was really proud of it, so I have to give her credit.”

“There was definitely a little issue with how I was setting up.”

— Daryl Van Schouwen (@CST_soxvan) July 3, 2023

mookieproof, Monday, 3 July 2023 07:30 (one year ago) link

i love it

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 July 2023 12:40 (one year ago) link

i guess he's been hurt, but tim anderson is having an abysmal contract year

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 July 2023 20:13 (one year ago) link

Off the field stuff too I think

a love song for connor wong (gyac), Sunday, 16 July 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

not great

Filed to ESPN: Former White Sox reliever Keynan Middleton documents dysfunction as he saw it in Chicago. ‘No rules': Ex-White Sox pitcher rips club's culture https://t.co/Z03bbDpZE8

— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) August 7, 2023

mookieproof, Monday, 7 August 2023 04:45 (eleven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Williams and Hahn are out

Andy K, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 23:04 (ten months ago) link

i almost made this joke last night

The Chicago White Sox have brought back Tony La Russa as a consultant, per @BNightengale.

— Daniel Greenberg (@ChiSportUpdates) August 23, 2023

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 17:46 (ten months ago) link

OFFICIAL: Chris Getz has been named senior vice president/general manager of the Chicago White Sox. pic.twitter.com/MPjlDuI7p6

— Chicago White Sox (@whitesox) August 31, 2023

Ha

Andy K, Thursday, 31 August 2023 14:59 (ten months ago) link

six months pass...

not much point in starting a new thread for the 2024 white sox. here is the expected rotation:

touki toussaint
garrett crochet
erick fedde
chris flexen
michael soroka

a real collection of "oh i think i recognize that name" guys
this team is going to be so depressing

na (NA), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:29 (four months ago) link

have to say, crochet as the opening day starter does not bode well.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 15:53 (four months ago) link

I hope his nickname is Needle.

UKXEPCTED TWITS (WmC), Tuesday, 19 March 2024 21:59 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

this is getting very dark

currently on pace to be outscored by 550 runs

mookieproof, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:18 (three months ago) link

truly a dreadful team. they were going to be bad but then robert, jimenez and moncada all immediately got injured

na (NA), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:28 (three months ago) link

I love following anything extreme, so glad you pointed this out--wow!

-- going into tonight's game, they'd hit eight home runs as a team; no one over two
-- seven of nine regulars between .069 and .222 (not much different than the Jays, actually)
-- .200/.273/.310 as a team
-- they look as hapless offensively as the '68 White Sox, who I often mention

This says as much about me as them, but of their 12 pictured WAR leaders on BRef, the only guy I know is Kevin Pillar. I see they have at least one good pitcher, Garret Crochet--maybe someone can nab him in a trade.

Tonight: shut out on four singles.

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:06 (three months ago) link

feel awful for (canadian!) RHP mike soroka

so many injuries, and now things are becoming brutal while playing for this awful team

mookieproof, Sunday, 21 April 2024 01:09 (two months ago) link

43 runs scored in 20 games; the '68 White Sox (463 runs for the season) scored 45 in their first 20.

clemenza, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:28 (two months ago) link

(Soroka deserved to win in one of his five starts; he's been pretty bad otherwise.)

clemenza, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:30 (two months ago) link

Worst starts the past 100 years:

Baltimore Orioles (1988) - 2-23

CHICAGO WHITE SOX (2024) - 3-22

Cincinnati Reds (2022) - 3-22
Detroit Tigers (2003) - 3-22
St. Louis Browns (1936) - 4-21
Cleveland Indians (1969) - 4-21
Boston Red Sox (1932) - 4-21
Oakland Athletics (2023) - 5-20
Chicago White Sox (1948) - 5-20
Pittsburgh Pirates (1952) - 5-20
Kansas City Royals (2006) - 5-20
Kansas City Royals (2018) - 5-20
Philadelphia Phillies (1928) - 5-20
Houston Astros (1969) - 5-20
Montreal Expos (2004) - 5-20
Cincinnati Reds (2018) - 5-20
Chicago Cubs (1981) - 5-20
Milwaukee Brewers (1970) - 5-20
St. Louis Cardinals (1973) - 5-20
Chicago White Sox (1950) - 5-20
Kansas City Athletics (1965) - 5-20
Kansas City Royals (1992) - 5-20
Florida Marlins (1995) - 5-20

clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2024 03:44 (two months ago) link

'62 Mets started 7-18.

clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2024 03:45 (two months ago) link

I mentioned on another thread that the Astros (a consensus preseason top 3 pick to win the world series) are only 3.5 games ahead of the CWS... yikes.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 26 April 2024 04:07 (two months ago) link

#freedusty

mookieproof, Friday, 26 April 2024 04:18 (two months ago) link

Two of those teams, the '69 Astros and '73 Cards, managed to finish at 81-81. Farther down the list, the '86 Reds and '96 Red Sox started 6-19 and finished with 86/85 wins.

https://champsorchumps.us/records/worst-mlb-regular-season-records-through-25-games

clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2024 04:38 (two months ago) link

The Astros this year are such a weird mix of extremes.

clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2024 04:40 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

White Sox blew a 5-1 lead to the Cubs tonight: 13 losses in a row, 15-47. That puts them on pace to finish 39-123, one game worse than the '62 Mets.

They're even worse when you remove their two good starters, Croche and Fedde. (Sounds like some kind of niche store in a pricey mall.) Those two guys are 9-6 with a combined ERA ~ 3.25; they're 6-41 otherwise. Not sure of their record in games started by those two.

No way they both finish the season in Chicago--guessing they'll trade Fedde, who's six years older.

clemenza, Thursday, 6 June 2024 03:28 (one month ago) link

i read a couple days ago that San Diego is looking into Crochet

francisF, Thursday, 6 June 2024 12:50 (one month ago) link

Passan said they’re also interested in trading Luis Robert Jr, who I think is rehabbing rn.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 6 June 2024 12:53 (one month ago) link

robert has been back for a couple of days. they have him under contract for a few more years so he might not get traded.

na (NA), Thursday, 6 June 2024 13:09 (one month ago) link

Yeah they have him under a really nice deal but they would likely get a good haul of prospects for him for a rebuild if they traded him. They have some high ranked prospects but some aren’t close to ready and the rest of the farm seems to be pitching heavy so they might decide to fill up their farm that way to accelerate the process.

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 6 June 2024 13:18 (one month ago) link

Their is clearly one better team in the battle of the Soxes.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 8 June 2024 22:25 (one month ago) link

Their's no there their.

Mrs. Ippei (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 8 June 2024 22:25 (one month ago) link

7-31 on the road

mookieproof, Monday, 17 June 2024 05:10 (one month ago) link

This is called "hitting for the cycle" https://t.co/ua7HoHKjjd

— Patrick Nolan (@SoxMach_pnoles) April 11, 2024

na (NA), Wednesday, 26 June 2024 01:25 (three weeks ago) link


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