The Last Days of Machado: 2018 Baltimore Orioles

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Last chance for the mid-2010s core to put together a contender? Or inevitable 75-win slog before the next decade-long rebuild cycle?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 11 February 2018 19:29 (ten months ago) Permalink

the addition of andrew cashner gives the orioles three starting pitchers

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 February 2018 19:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Sort of feel like Duquette's "cast-off magic" that landed us a good year of Nate McClouth may be wearing off.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:21 (nine months ago) Permalink

Can't help feeling that all you can ask for in the modern major leagues, unless you are LAD/NYY/BOS/CHC, is to get everything to come together at the same time and have a 3-5 year run of being a contending team, and if you get lucky in that stretch, you get through the playoffs and win a pennant or a title. The Orioles got themselves that and now the end is in sight and it's another decade in the wilderness.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 18 February 2018 17:26 (nine months ago) Permalink

Agree, but would add the Astros model as an alternative. But that requires a lot of patience (from the fan base), and there's still luck involved--doubt that many people five years ago expected Altuve to be someone you could build a potential dynasty around.

clemenza, Sunday, 18 February 2018 18:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

any mention of nate mcclouth obligates me to note that ilx user in orbit used to babysit him

mookieproof, Monday, 19 February 2018 01:49 (nine months ago) Permalink

Can't help feeling that all you can ask for in the modern major leagues, unless you are LAD/NYY/BOS/CHC, is to get everything to come together at the same time and have a 3-5 year run of being a contending team, and if you get lucky in that stretch, you get through the playoffs and win a pennant or a title. The Orioles got themselves that and now the end is in sight and it's another decade in the wilderness.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), dimanche 18 février 2018 12:26 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Nats managed to get elite players, winning divisions on a fairly regular basis and still have really good prospects the pipeline/good young players as we speak. The Cards have sustained good success too. Not saying that the Dodgers don't have some sort of unfair advantage, they do, but I guess some teams are just better at getting high level prospects than others.

Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:39 (nine months ago) Permalink

the orioles also have a lamentable record with international signings and have inexplicably continued to trade away (the right to spend) int'l bonus money

right now mlb.com's top eight prospects are ohtani (a special case), nick senzel, and six dudes from venezuela or the dominican. baltimore doesn't even seem to be looking for those guys

mookieproof, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Well, we got Colby Rasmus, exactly the kind of guy who is not likely to be great but who somehow I feel is not that unlikely to contribute

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:07 (nine months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Kingfisher // Alcedinidae pic.twitter.com/lW6S9cV4E4

— Other Birds as the Orioles Logo (@SmilingBirdLogo) April 4, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thoroughly satisfying series in the Bronx. This team doesn't seem like it's gonna win a lot of games but I have a feeling I'm gonna enjoy the ones they do win.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 9 April 2018 13:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

agonizing over which O's pitcher to put on my HACKING MASS team tho

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 April 2018 14:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

they can't keep running tillman out there, can they?

mookieproof, Monday, 9 April 2018 17:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

the orioles have recalled RHP (and 2013 first-round pick) hunter harvey

he was supposed to make his double-a debut tonight o_O

mookieproof, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

they can't keep running tillman out there, can they?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=matusbr01&year=2011&t=p

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 12 April 2018 03:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Machado is having a nice week.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 22 April 2018 18:13 (seven months ago) Permalink

alex cobb 11.2 innings / 30 hits allowed

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 13:19 (seven months ago) Permalink

at least he's not walking that many guys

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 1 May 2018 13:31 (seven months ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I feel like they've pulled out of their skid

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 00:26 (six months ago) Permalink

I wonder if i've gotten the year's HACKING MASS points out of Tillman

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 00:41 (six months ago) Permalink

it's going to be amazing when machado blows out his knee and the o's get absolutely nothing for him

i mean they're already 12 out of the wild card, why wait

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 01:31 (six months ago) Permalink

ticket sales?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 01:32 (six months ago) Permalink

I don’t know, genuinely asking.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 01:32 (six months ago) Permalink

idk, maybe i guess

might also be part of a power struggle -- showalter and duquette are in the last year of their contracts, and brady anderson's bizarre takeover of the organization may not be complete

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 01:39 (six months ago) Permalink

@BenBadler
The Orioles spent just $535,000 on international prospects last year. Instead of adding to their farm system, the Orioles continue to waste opportunities and lose out on prospects to other teams: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/international-reviews-baltimore-orioles-2018/

mookieproof, Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:18 (six months ago) Permalink

dylan bundy is the third orioles pitcher in the last 60 years to fan at least 14 batters in a game

the others were erik bedard and mike mussina (4 times)

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 May 2018 21:05 (six months ago) Permalink

I mean sweet merciful mummerfunkery. pic.twitter.com/d956FWBjO8

— Dan Szymborski (@DSzymborski) June 7, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 June 2018 17:30 (six months ago) Permalink

rosenthal:

Oh, this is going to be something. Baltimore Orioles shortstop Manny Machado will be the best position-player rental ever available at the non-waiver deadline. The Orioles will want at least the same kind of package the New York Yankees received two years ago for closer Aroldis Chapman. But such a deal might not be available based upon the modest returns last season for the two biggest rentals, outfielder J.D. Martinez and right-hander Yu Darvish.

Let’s ignore for a moment the Orioles might not operate coherently enough to successfully pull off a Machado blockbuster, ignore their history of quashing deals over medical concerns, ignore the power struggle within their organization that makes it difficult to know exactly who is in control.

Even if the Orioles had it together, they would need a combination of keen scouting and shrewd negotiating to get anything close to fair value for Machado. Such a deal, though, might not be possible even under the best of circumstances, considering the increasing reluctance — no, outright fear — most teams show when asked to trade top prospects.

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Position players generally are more difficult to trade at the deadline than during the off-season, when teams operate with greater flexibility. The Orioles, who did not like the offers they received for Machado over the winter, almost certainly will like the offers they receive before the deadline even less. A second executive who is unlikely to be involved in the pursuit of Machado said, “I could see them getting a borderline elite prospect in A ball for him. Doubtful the guy is at the upper levels unless the seller has reason to doubt him (like the Dodgers did with Calhoun).”

How the Orioles’ fractured management team will juggle all of the moving parts at the deadline is anyone’s guess. Machado will not be the only player the O’s shop; their other potential free agents include center fielder Adam Jones and relievers Zach Britton and Brad Brach, and they also would be open to moving others on their roster, though probably not long-term assets such as second baseman Jonathan Schoop and right-handers Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman.

As I’ve reported previously, Orioles executive vice-president of baseball operations Dan Duquette, in the final year of his contract, appears to have lost influence. But those in the organization who might lack confidence in Duquette to navigate the deadline — owner Peter Angelos’ sons, executive VP John Angelos and ownership representative Lou Angelos; VP of baseball operations Brady Anderson and manager Buck Showalter — hardly are experts at negotiating trades.

It’s going to be something, all right. The Orioles are about to auction off a gleaming asset. But it’s unclear who will run the auction, unclear if any team will give the O’s what they want, unclear if the best position-player rental ever available at the deadline will even get moved.

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 June 2018 17:56 (six months ago) Permalink

xp Also came here to post how bad Davis' season is going

Chris Davis' bWAR of as of June 8: -1.9
Albert Pujol's bWAR, 2017 season: -1.7

francisF, Saturday, 9 June 2018 14:32 (six months ago) Permalink

(-1.7 was the worst mark last year, if that's not obv)

francisF, Saturday, 9 June 2018 14:33 (six months ago) Permalink

27.5 games back o_o

johnny crunch, Friday, 15 June 2018 14:11 (five months ago) Permalink

lol

#Orioles have interviewed former #Dodgers GM Ned Colletti for an executive position, sources tell The Athletic. Team also believed to be interviewing others, but have not asked permission to speak with anyone currently working for a club. Colletti is an analyst for SportsNet LA.

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) June 16, 2018

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 June 2018 02:31 (five months ago) Permalink

swept in 4 games by seattle, now 30.5 games behind 1st; 0-13 vs the AL west

johnny crunch, Thursday, 28 June 2018 22:14 (five months ago) Permalink

team player value -- batters: -2.7 bWAR as a team

granted a lot of that is davis, but jones and schoop and mancini are all starters and the best of them is at -0.4

royals are at +5.6 as a team, white sox at +6.3

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 June 2018 23:27 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Thread title ratified

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, we got Colby Rasmus, exactly the kind of guy who is not likely to be great but who somehow I feel is not that unlikely to contribute

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 10:07 AM (four months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also, my prediction that Rasmus would contribute has not been borne out

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Rasmus has been one of about 10 players on this team who might have been expected to be mediocre to bad and in fact have played the worst ball of their career

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:33 (four months ago) Permalink

lmao

johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:35 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean is there a good reason for Jonathan Schoop, a consistently solid contributor coming off his best year and entering what should be his prime, to have suddenly turned into a replacement-level chump?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:36 (four months ago) Permalink

yea this has been foreseeable for a while imo & their bullpen mostly kept them viable

johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:37 (four months ago) Permalink

Disagree. Team's record is well below its Pythag and its Pythag is well below where you'd expect the team to be based on talent on the field. Fangraphs had the Orioles projected for 76 wins this year, I think that's about what one might have foreseen based on who was on the field.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 July 2018 01:43 (four months ago) Permalink

i'm willing to grant them their pythag, which is . . . 32-65 and solidifies their lead over the royals as the majors' 29th-best team

everything seems to have broken badly -- one might expect schoop to be league-average; you can't exactly predict chris davis being literally the worst player of all time -- but they started the season with basically two starting pitchers, and that has been a relative strength

anyway, the deal seems decent? diaz is legit, one or two of the others might amount to something. pretty good for 12 weeks of machado

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:19 (four months ago) Permalink

you can't exactly predict chris davis being literally the worst player of all time

pls this for the 2019 thread title

johnny crunch, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:34 (four months ago) Permalink

chris tillman has been dfa'd

mookieproof, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:23 (four months ago) Permalink

well damn i appreciated the 54 HACKING MASS points, but wanted one more really bad start

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:42 (four months ago) Permalink

If Jones is traded, that'll be the end of the Erik Bedard Trade Era in Baltimore. Maybe it'll be the beginning of the Manny Machado Trade Era!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:30 (four months ago) Permalink

return for britton seems reasonable

O's farm system was thought of as firmly in the bottom third of the league at the beginning of 2018, I wonder where people see it now

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 26 July 2018 04:37 (four months ago) Permalink

Bottom half of the league.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:41 (four months ago) Permalink

That plus the high draft picks we'll get for sucking so bad this year and next should put us in an OK place

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:25 (four months ago) Permalink

that's the spirit

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:33 (four months ago) Permalink

Look, this team put together the best years of Manny Machado, Chris Tillman, Matt Wieters, Wei-Yin Chen, many others, into a team that for 5 years contended regularly and was one of the very best in baseball, I've got nothing to complain about

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:39 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/gettyimages-963630286-e1530883410458.jpg?w=610&h=343&crop=1

2018 Contract Status: Signed thru 2022, 7 yrs/$161M (16-22)

omar little, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 16:07 (two months ago) Permalink

don't worry, there's help on the farm

The ORIOLES have signed 1B RYAN RIPKEN to a Minor League contract for 2019. Ripken, who turned 25 in July, hit .244/.281/.327 with a career-high seven homers in 106 games for Class A Delmarva this season.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 September 2018 18:28 (two months ago) Permalink


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