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brownie, Sunday, 27 August 2017 21:29 (one year ago) Permalink

Lindor (24, 2nd inning off Skoglund 1 on, 0 Out); Santana (20, 2nd inning off García 2 on, 1 Out); Gomes (9, 2nd inning off García 3 on, 1 Out)

brownie, Sunday, 27 August 2017 21:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Tribe set to sweep the Yanks :D

brownie, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 23:19 (one year ago) Permalink

lindor 4-for-10, 25th homer, three runs, one stolen base, several really impressive plays at short

mookieproof, Thursday, 31 August 2017 01:39 (one year ago) Permalink

10-game winning streak, now have the best run differential in the AL (+169)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:40 (one year ago) Permalink

along similar lines...

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-indians-look-like-al-favorites/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 September 2017 15:57 (one year ago) Permalink

The streak is up to 12. Their run differential now almost puts them even with the Dodgers in expected W-L record.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 07:54 (one year ago) Permalink

They won five of six against the Astros.

Andy K, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:19 (one year ago) Permalink

i love this team

marcos, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:56 (one year ago) Permalink

J-Ram is a GOD!!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 02:16 (one year ago) Permalink

The Indians are the first team with 13-game winning streaks in back-to-back seasons since the 1960-61 Yankees (via Elias Sports Bureau).

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber's got 13 K through 6 innings--close to 100 pitches, though, and a big lead.

clemenza, Friday, 8 September 2017 02:40 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber gotta have finally passed Sale for Cy frontrunner on most ballots now.

nomar, Friday, 8 September 2017 02:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Sale had a lock on it at the break, but yeah, I would think so. The three WAR leaderboards still have Sale up by a combined game-and-a-half (Sale leads two, Kluber the other), but that basically seems like a toss-up.

clemenza, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:01 (one year ago) Permalink

still think Sale wins narrowly today, strikeouts + Red Sox + "narrative"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 11:56 (one year ago) Permalink

lucrative

loo-kruh-tiv

adjective
1. producing a great deal of profit; moneymaking
2. The 2017 Cleveland Indians

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 9 September 2017 20:41 (one year ago) Permalink

18!

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 03:09 (one year ago) Permalink

3 shy of the "modern" record (since 1930)

k3vin k., Monday, 11 September 2017 03:11 (one year ago) Permalink

and the Dodgers have lost their 10th straight. what is going on here

frogbs, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:13 (one year ago) Permalink

Their lineup is filthy at this point, no real weaknesses at all.

earlnash, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Pretty good shot at matching that modern record.

Myles Jaye vs Carlos Carrasco
Matthew Boyd vs Corey Kluber
Buck Farmer vs Mike Clevinger

Andy K, Monday, 11 September 2017 12:44 (one year ago) Permalink

going to see them this weekend

marcos, Monday, 11 September 2017 13:54 (one year ago) Permalink

From @jonahkeri : On June 14, Cleveland stood at 31–31, having scored 11 more runs than the team had allowed. Since then: 56–25, +198.

— Alex (@nullster) September 11, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 17:28 (one year ago) Permalink

The Indians’ season isn’t complete. Their pitching numbers are going to change, possibly for the worse. And it should go without saying that our WAR metrics are far from perfect. They don’t, as one example, consider strength of opposing schedule. Maybe regular WAR is too far removed from reality. Maybe RA9-WAR isn’t removed enough. Maybe it’s too sloppy to just find the average of the two numbers as if it really means anything. You can argue as much as you’d like to, because there is always room for disagreement. But there’s a legitimate case to be made that the 2017 Cleveland Indians have the best pitching staff in baseball history. This is the evidence. By all-time WAR/162, they rank in first place. By all-time combined WAR/162, they rank in first place. They still have games to play, but they can perform worse while remaining where they are.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/so-the-indians-might-have-the-best-pitching-staff-ever/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 21:17 (one year ago) Permalink

19

k3vin k., Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:36 (one year ago) Permalink

+100 differential during these 19 games

Andy K, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 02:37 (one year ago) Permalink

134 results for your search "WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWindians"

Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 03:25 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber lookin' pretty good w/ a 1-0 lead

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 00:51 (one year ago) Permalink

20 in a row, wow.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:54 (one year ago) Permalink

8 K/0 BB shutout for Kluber

nomar, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:54 (one year ago) Permalink

I guess it goes without saying that if the Yankees won 20 in a row it would be the biggest sports story of the year. Somehow the streak doesn't feel nearly as big as it should.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 13:59 (one year ago) Permalink

they should've done it before football season started

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:16 (one year ago) Permalink

meh, variance in win distribution.

(I can't be a hypocrite, I thought the Moneyball movie's emphasis on the A's streak was straight-up pandering bullshit.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:39 (one year ago) Permalink

I am impressed by 20 wins in a row

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:49 (one year ago) Permalink

Like I said on Twitter yesterday, the talk here in town is less "Guys, the Indians are about to win their 21st game in a row" and more "DID THE BROWNS WIN A MORAL VICTORY IN THEIR LOSS TO PITTSBURGH?"

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 15:36 (one year ago) Permalink

wow the indians radio guy is pretty annoying

na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:21 (one year ago) Permalink

which one? tom hamilton?

marcos, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:32 (one year ago) Permalink

i thought Cleveland was 'a great baseball town'

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:33 (one year ago) Permalink

it is!

hamilton is beloved here

marcos, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:34 (one year ago) Permalink

not my style i guess. he just literally YEEELLLLLLLLED about ramirez taking a ball.

na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:37 (one year ago) Permalink

tbh i don't feel bad for the cleveland indians not getting coverage for their winning streak in baseball because their logo is still so fucking awful and no one in cleveland seems to give a shit about that, either.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:39 (one year ago) Permalink

it is bad

plenty of us here hate it though

marcos, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:43 (one year ago) Permalink

it is still so weird to me though that so many people think it is acceptable. my neighbor across the street, an otherwise very nice old guy, just put a giant wahoo on the front of his house

marcos, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:44 (one year ago) Permalink

i guess more Native ppl need to move there to shame 'em

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:50 (one year ago) Permalink

I have so many "save the chief" friends and it makes me livid.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:50 (one year ago) Permalink

bray juce

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:54 (one year ago) Permalink

It's such a weird ugly logo.

brownie, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:55 (one year ago) Permalink

80 XBH in a season
CLE history

Averill (3x)
Manny (3x)
Belle (2x)
Trosky (2x)
Speaker (1x)
Sizemore (1x)
Morgan (1x)

And now: Jose Ramirez

— Jordan Bastian (@MLBastian) September 13, 2017

mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:39 (one year ago) Permalink

One of our sports stations had an ESPN guy on this morning talking about MVP candidates, and he came up with the most obscure first for Ramirez: first guy ever with 40 games each at second and third with an OPS over .900. That's definitely a lot of value, although the combination is a little specious.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:50 (one year ago) Permalink

http://68.media.tumblr.com/740d23742441301fa9e05f67ada7034b/tumblr_n8kfkrIu5J1scl662o1_500.jpg

The day of "the Decision," a co-worker wore this shirt to work. As I walked past him, I said "Nice racist shirt," and then we had a long, loud discussion outside the office and he probably still hasn't forgiven me. Never saw him wear it again, though.

Andy K, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:55 (one year ago) Permalink

not looking good

Bee OK, Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:04 (one year ago) Permalink

they were down one run going into the ninth last night. can they do it again?

Bee OK, Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:16 (one year ago) Permalink

still fun

Bee OK, Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:22 (one year ago) Permalink

couldn't have happened to a racister team

qualx, Saturday, 16 September 2017 04:09 (one year ago) Permalink

well there's always the red sox i guess

qualx, Saturday, 16 September 2017 04:09 (one year ago) Permalink

It is pretty impressive that Cleveland did this streak without Andrew Miller too, considering how big he was in their success last season.

earlnash, Saturday, 16 September 2017 06:10 (one year ago) Permalink

True, but most of the games weren't close (only four or five one-run games I think?) so Miller wouldn't have made much of a difference.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 16 September 2017 10:52 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber's had one not-that-good start since May 2 (in that one he gave up 4 ER/9 H in 6.1 IP vs the ChiSox, though he also only walked one while striking out 12.)

nomar, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:21 (one year ago) Permalink

hard to choose between him and sale for cy young

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:24 (one year ago) Permalink

i would have said Sale til a month ago but it's Kluber now i think. almost as many IP as Sale despite missing a month (and Sale not missing any time), lower WHIP, lower ERA, lower BAA, much higher bWAR (though curiously a much lower fWAR), plus 5 complete games and 3 shutouts to 1 and 0 for Sale.

also, Kluber has one more win. ; )

nomar, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:40 (one year ago) Permalink

he's within 1.0 fWAR after today's game. sale's FIP is a bit better because of all the strikeouts, but is maybe getting some home run luck -- kluber has the better xFIP

k3vin k., Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

They've still got 2-3 starts each, so things could change, but today, I'd definitely vote for Kluber. Sale's been up and down since the break--awesome starts mixed in with poor ones. Kluber since he returned from the DL:

ERA - 1.77, .171/.209/.283 opposition slash line, almost a 10-1 K/BB ratio. And that's not counting today's start. Also: dominant during the winning streak.

clemenza, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:14 (one year ago) Permalink

does anyone else stay up at night feeling bummed about how kluber started too late to be a HOFer

qualx, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:33 (one year ago) Permalink

he should do a DBZ fusion with cliff lee then they'd both get in

qualx, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:34 (one year ago) Permalink

This gives Sale 4.9 runs of support, Kluber 5.4...I wouldn't give that a lot of weight without knowing how the runs were distributed.

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/stats?season=2017&category=PITCHING+II&group=1&sort=2&time=0&pos=0&qual=1&sortOrder=1&splitType=0

clemenza, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber leads in bWAR 7.1 to 5.9 (which doesn't include yesterday's start).

Sale's durability (= his big lead in IP) was maybe his biggest advantage over Kluber, but that's pretty much gone. I think it's Kluber's award to lose now.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 18 September 2017 07:48 (one year ago) Permalink

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/miniteam

mookieproof, Monday, 18 September 2017 17:22 (one year ago) Permalink

Kluber's bWAR is now 7.9

nomar, Monday, 18 September 2017 17:23 (one year ago) Permalink

greatest stretch run in baseball history?

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 06:11 (one year ago) Permalink

I guess it depends how you define it. Their division title was not in serious doubt before the 22 streak, so one might favor a team that came from behind, like the '51 Giants or '69 Mets. (Both went 39-11 in their last 50 and made up deficits; Indians will likely do slightly better, but always were in first place.)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:47 (one year ago) Permalink

2007 rockies finished 13-1 to force a game 163 against san diego (in which matt holliday never touched home plate)

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:04 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah, that was in the back of my mind... didn't the Angels blow a big lead vs Seattle in the '90s?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:10 (one year ago) Permalink

it was '95, but that was more an Angels collapse (12-27!) than an M's stretch run.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:14 (one year ago) Permalink

95 mariners were 12.5 back on august 20; they went 25-13 and the angels went 12-25 to force game 163.

nice run, but that feels more like an angels collapse (they actually had to win their last five just to get to 163, after a 7-25 stretch)

xp indeed

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:27 (one year ago) Permalink

it would probably be rude to mention the 2007 phillies

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:31 (one year ago) Permalink

that falls under Collapse and u know it

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:01 (one year ago) Permalink

'78 yanks went 52-21 to force a one-game playoff

tribe needs to go 4 and 6 the rest of the way to match that, which seems pretty doable

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:30 (one year ago) Permalink

so, really 53-21 :)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

best adjusted team ERAs of integration era pic.twitter.com/QgdywjJGrX

— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) September 20, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Over the Indians' past 28 games, Francisco Lindor has hit .352/.431/.750 with 11 HR, 6 2B, 2 3B, 25 R, 27 RBI and more BB (14) than K (11).

— Jordan Bastian (@MLBastian) September 21, 2017

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:43 (one year ago) Permalink

Show Hey O'Tawny
Does mainstream media underrate the Indians pitching staff? Fangraphs is the only place I’ve seen call them the best pitching staff of all time, even though most of the WAR says so

Jeff Sullivan

I think, in general, people don't have a great mental grasp of how pitching has evolved. When you think about the best staffs ever, you tend to focus on the starting rotations. The other thing about the Indians is they're so deep they *never* give the ball to a bad pitcher

For the sake of argument, let's compare the Indians to the Braves from 1993 - 1999
That is, combining all those years

Braves starters had an ERA- of 77. The Indians starters have an ERA- of 79
But Braves relievers had an ERA- of 87. Indians relievers have an ERA- of 65
Maybe the Braves had more Hall-of-Famers. The Indians are better from top to bottom, because every pitcher on the staff counts

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:30 (one year ago) Permalink

four months pass...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/sports/baseball/cleveland-indians-chief-wahoo-logo.html

chief wahoo is going away! (in 2019) (and only from players uniforms, not from merch sold in the stadium) (and the team is still called the indians)

na (NA), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:48 (ten months ago) Permalink

not good enough, obv

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:56 (ten months ago) Permalink

sounds like manfred has the right idea, though

But over the past year the commissioner of baseball, Rob Manfred, has pressured Paul Dolan, Cleveland’s chairman and chief executive, to make a change.

Citing a goal of diversity and inclusion, Manfred said in a statement provided to The New York Times that the Indians organization “ultimately agreed with my position that the logo is no longer appropriate for on-field use in Major League Baseball, and I appreciate Mr. Dolan’s acknowledgment that removing it from the on-field uniform by the start of the 2019 season is the right course.”

not good enough, but better than nothing, or outright hostility (see the washington catheads)

Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:02 (ten months ago) Permalink

not good enough obv but i'm relieved that they are finally doing something

marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:04 (ten months ago) Permalink

it will take decades if not more though for wahoo to disappear from cleveland entirely. i'm convinced there will still be some dive bar in parma, oh in 2118 that will keep its giant wahoo light-up sign above the bar

marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:06 (ten months ago) Permalink

them still being able to make money off of the logo is pretty gross

na (NA), Monday, 29 January 2018 18:11 (ten months ago) Permalink

yea

marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:19 (ten months ago) Permalink

Now we get to be met with the spectacle of idiots protesting a baseball team because it isn't sufficiently racist anymore.

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 29 January 2018 19:13 (ten months ago) Permalink

Finally: The Indians Are Replacing Their Racist Mascot Chief Wahoo With A White Woman Wearing A Native American Halloween Costume https://t.co/HIzE3nkI50 pic.twitter.com/4WRfTDBbqQ

— ClickHole (@ClickHole) January 31, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:46 (ten months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

you wonder how some promo ppl function daily

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/04/16/mlb-pulls-chief-wahoo-jackie-robinson-caps/

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:09 (seven months ago) Permalink

Am I doing this right. pic.twitter.com/yAfvncQJx8

— Sung Min Kim (@sung_minkim) April 19, 2018

Andy K, Friday, 20 April 2018 01:33 (seven months ago) Permalink

four months pass...

BE SCARED, RED SOX AND YANKS FANS

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:59 (three months ago) Permalink

Also, that play that just got overturned was some bullshit.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 01:01 (three months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Encarnacion got this 30th home run for a seventh consecutive season the other night. Don't know how many times seven has been reached, but Wikipedia has a list of eight consecutive seasons and that's pretty rare: 18 players, most from the PED era. Most are either in the HOF or would be absent PEDs; the only clear non-HOF'er is Teixeira, Delgado (in that PEDs have nothing to do with him not being in--I'd call him borderline, not clearly not qualified), and (arguably) Sosa.

Unless he has some unforeseen Ortiz-like finish he's about to spring on us, Edwin will not be going into the HOF. (I bet there are some relatively ordinary names who also did it seven times...I'm not trying to diminish what he's done, and I remain a big fan.)

clemenza, Thursday, 13 September 2018 23:12 (three months ago) Permalink

You what's pretty amazing? Encarnacion has stolen 61 career bases in 74 attempts, an 82% success rate. So he's a better base stealer than Rickey Henderson (81%), though not as good as Tim Raines (85%). I have to reconsider his HOF case.

clemenza, Thursday, 13 September 2018 23:29 (three months ago) Permalink

Just as he was when he was traded from Cleveland to Boston, Victor Martinez was very emotional after the Indians honored him as he enters retirement. #Indians pic.twitter.com/hPUmvybmmZ

— Hayden Grove (@H_Grove) September 15, 2018

Andy K, Saturday, 15 September 2018 22:26 (three months ago) Permalink

Kipnis' 1000th hit:

Getting your 1,000th career hit? Awesome.
Doing it on a walk-off grand slam? Even better.
(via @SportsTimeOhio)pic.twitter.com/yWRska8hUl

— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) September 20, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 20 September 2018 03:05 (two months ago) Permalink

If you'd asked me, I would have said "That's been done before" (and probably would have proceeded to name one of the '70s Mets teams).

http://www.mlb.com/news/indians-1st-club-with-4-starters-with-200-ks/c-295641546

clemenza, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:01 (two months ago) Permalink


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