Position Players Pitching

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OH MY GOD HE'S OOGLEEE (Leee), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 17:29 (four years ago) Permalink

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/adam-dunn-as-a-pitcher/

15 this year!

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 23:12 (four years ago) Permalink

wonder if it's more common in pitcher-dominated eras bc lower score differentials and better bullpens = more extra innings

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 6 August 2014 23:13 (four years ago) Permalink

i'd imagine that modern theories about pitch counts and proper rest play a greater role

also you know adam dunn wanted to get out there -- he had some decent movement on the handful of pitches i saw

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 23:39 (four years ago) Permalink

btw this is intended to be an ALERT thread such that i don't miss the next adam dunn

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 August 2014 23:39 (four years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...

a scoreless eighth for jesus sucre

mookieproof, Saturday, 13 June 2015 02:49 (three years ago) Permalink

jeff francoeur just threw the phillies' first scoreless inning

jake elmore is faring less well in tampa

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 01:50 (three years ago) Permalink

wish I was on ILX last may (or June?) to celebrate mike carp's horrendous knuckleballing against the yankees lol

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 02:07 (three years ago) Permalink

good for frenchie I guess tho

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 02:08 (three years ago) Permalink

i was hoping we'd get a yankee position player too, oh well

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 02:12 (three years ago) Permalink

so per the Effectively Wild FB group, yesterday was the first time (since 1914) more than one position player allowed a home run on the same day.

the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:18 (three years ago) Permalink

they left frenchy out there for 48 pitches! apparently because the bullpen phone was 'off the hook' ffs

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 June 2015 16:41 (three years ago) Permalink

thread is v active

johnny crunch, Thursday, 18 June 2015 02:13 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

can brendan ryan go two innings y/n

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 August 2015 01:42 (three years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClSdm7KUYAAKQBF.jpg

Andy K, Sunday, 19 June 2016 19:05 (two years ago) Permalink

erik kratz has now pitched in both leagues this season

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 02:48 (two years ago) Permalink

Ryan Gions. loaded the bases in the 17th inning – then induced a double play to get out of it.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 1 July 2016 23:10 (two years ago) Permalink

sorry, 18th

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 1 July 2016 23:11 (two years ago) Permalink

is one position player relieving another something that happens? i know i;ve never seen it before.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 2 July 2016 03:42 (two years ago) Permalink

ryan lamarre 1.0IP 2H 0ER

johnny crunch, Sunday, 3 July 2016 02:44 (two years ago) Permalink

Miguel Montero for the Cubs down 13-1

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 3 July 2016 20:10 (two years ago) Permalink

chris Gimenez on clev 2 IP

johnny crunch, Sunday, 3 July 2016 20:20 (two years ago) Permalink

Jared Hoying, OF for the Rangers, pitched the top of the 9th with Texas down big. Gave up a homer on a 59mph toss

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 July 2016 06:03 (two years ago) Permalink

I am not a big baseball guy, so tuning into the end of the Rangers game and seeing this guy I've never heard of pitch @ 60 mph was bizarre, I'm thinking he's a knuckle baller pulled up from the minors, but I'm seeing no movement on the ball whatsoever (I had the TV on mute to listen to coverage of the madness taking place in downtown Dallas, two miles away from me)

skateboard of education (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 July 2016 13:22 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Drew Butera again for KC, scoreless inning down 13-0

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2016 03:13 (two years ago) Permalink

Jeff Sullivan ‏@based_ball 15m15 minutes ago
since the start of last year position players pitching have a 4.93 ERA in about 46 innings. better than Matt Cain, Joe Kelly, and Ubaldo
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k3vin k., Friday, 29 July 2016 23:21 (two years ago) Permalink

hernan iribarren pitched the eighth for the louisville bats this afternoon

needed seven pitches to get three outs; one was a 46mph knuckleball

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 19:33 (two years ago) Permalink

@RhettBollinger
Eduardo Escobar's first pitch was an 88 mph fastball.

mookieproof, Thursday, 11 August 2016 19:54 (two years ago) Permalink

tyler holt is the first reds position player to pitch since skip schumaker two years and one day ago

mookieproof, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:28 (two years ago) Permalink

five pitches, three outs

mookieproof, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:29 (two years ago) Permalink

best pitcher on worst staff ever!

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 August 2016 20:30 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

does christian bethancourt even count

mookieproof, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:32 (one year ago) Permalink

he's pitching in the fourth inning ffs

mookieproof, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:34 (one year ago) Permalink

he was signed for that reason, so no

frogbs, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:36 (one year ago) Permalink

whoa this guy's story is cool

k3vin k., Monday, 3 April 2017 21:45 (one year ago) Permalink

has that happened in the modern game? guy pitching and playing the field on a regular basis?

k3vin k., Monday, 3 April 2017 21:45 (one year ago) Permalink

@AJCassavell
No player in MLB history has caught more than 5 games and pitched in more than 5 games in the same season. Christian Bethancourt might.

mookieproof, Monday, 3 April 2017 21:46 (one year ago) Permalink

poor guy was immediately spiked by andrew toles on a play at the plate after his first pitch (a wild one)

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 3 April 2017 23:20 (one year ago) Permalink

michael martinez of the indians last night: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/michael-martinez-pitcher/

na (NA), Friday, 14 April 2017 18:01 (one year ago) Permalink

Currently Showing
SD & ATL
Reason: Position player pitching (Christian Bethancourt)
Priority #2

k3vin k., Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:12 (one year ago) Permalink

what's a higher priority than a position player pitching? no-hitter?

(ian kennedy has a 1-hitter going in the 8th btw)

Karl Malone, Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah i have no-hitters in the 7th inning or later higher

k3vin k., Sunday, 16 April 2017 20:19 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

3rd string catcher Kevin Plawecki pitching for the Mets today

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 30 April 2017 20:48 (one year ago) Permalink

this is the reverse but the Yankees put pitcher Brian Mitchell at 1b late in today's game...

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 30 April 2017 21:54 (one year ago) Permalink

Miguel Montero on the mound right now for the Cubs vs Yankees

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 7 May 2017 02:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Miguel Montero head hunting with a 80 mph heater πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ pic.twitter.com/r68FZlNIA5

— MLB Memes (@MLBMeme) May 7, 2017

Andy K, Sunday, 7 May 2017 02:44 (one year ago) Permalink

chris gimenez for the cubs ... they're only 6 runs behind in the eighth, feels a little premature

na (NA), Saturday, 23 June 2018 23:03 (five months ago) Permalink

Matt Davidson, Filthy 79mph Slider....and then reminding himself to slow strut off the field... πŸ˜‚ pic.twitter.com/ZKg7XrNQgB

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) June 30, 2018

mookieproof, Saturday, 30 June 2018 03:22 (five months ago) Permalink

The Diamondbacks used two position players in relief in their 19-2 loss to the Rockies ... in fact they pitched more total innings than the actual pitchers did (3.1 IP for the real pitchers, 4.2 IP in relief for the position players).

http://www.espn.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=380711127

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 12 July 2018 05:26 (five months ago) Permalink

they also . . . used a pitcher as a pinch hitter in the second inning, when they were only down 5-1

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:01 (five months ago) Permalink

Alex Blandino, Filthy 67 mph Knuckle Ball. πŸ¦‹ pic.twitter.com/ivFAvcv7YQ

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) July 12, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:56 (five months ago) Permalink

Our Willians: not so good on the mound

mookieproof, Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:55 (five months ago) Permalink

tommy la stella comes on in the sixth

mookieproof, Friday, 20 July 2018 21:03 (four months ago) Permalink

and gets the out with one pitch

na (NA), Friday, 20 July 2018 21:04 (four months ago) Permalink

backup catcher caratini is pitching now. first time the cubs have used two position players in the same game since 1907

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 21:52 (four months ago) Permalink

the crowd is going wild

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 21:53 (four months ago) Permalink

#Cubs (La Stella, Caratini & Happ): first team to use 3 position player pitchers in a game since the Brewers 8/29/1979 (Sal Bando, Jim Gantner & Buck Martinez)

— Christopher Kamka (@ckamka) July 20, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 20 July 2018 22:06 (four months ago) Permalink

i think ive read more about that Sal Bando game this month than i did in '79

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:14 (four months ago) Permalink

if my calculations are correct, you'd have been pretty busy when that game happened

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:22 (four months ago) Permalink

if you can't dodge a 48 mph pitch you shouldn't get the base

na (NA), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:04 (four months ago) Permalink

Kristopher Negron can do it all.

(Yes, this was an out)
(No, he did not allow any runs)
(No, he did not break 55 MPH) pic.twitter.com/IrIevQupmx

— Reno Aces (@Aces) July 22, 2018

mookieproof, Monday, 23 July 2018 18:07 (four months ago) Permalink

Anthony Rizzo pitched and recorded an out in a 7-1 game last night.

I know that position players pitching is kind of a trend now, but do you really want your superstar hitters doing it?

Maybe everyone wants to channel their inner Ohtani these days?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 06:47 (four months ago) Permalink

First-time pitcher Kike Hernandez yielded a game-winning HR to the Phils' Trevor Plouffe in the 16th last night.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it's getting out of hand now. The Jays punted a game in similar fashion last year too.

I'm assuming that Roberts merely pulled the strings that the Dodgers analytics department told him to pull. So their data shows that it's better to blow a game now than pitch the next day's starter in the 16th and risk an injury (and future wins)?

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:48 (four months ago) Permalink

probably depends on schedule/geography/roster composition as well -- dodgers have a day game today and couldn't get anyone up from the minors (in oklahoma) in time to help. and they may or may not have the ability to option players *to* the minors in exchange without further repercussions.

but yeah

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:09 (four months ago) Permalink

All I could think about is that beneath the fun, hip exoskeleton, Joe Maddon is a soulless actuary.

BREAKING: Grant Brisbee describes Joe Maddon as "fun, hip"

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:42 (four months ago) Permalink

that's on the managerial curve, where Buck Showalter is the baseline

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:45 (four months ago) Permalink

icymi, the Rays used Sergio Romo at 3b for one out in a Waxahachie Swap

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 11:24 (four months ago) Permalink

re the increase in position players pitching, it seems like people are freaking out about this because it's a direct acknowledgment that a team is giving up on a game? on the other hand, if your team is losing badly, at least watching a position player try to pitch adds some entertainment value and something to root for

na (NA), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:19 (four months ago) Permalink

It was done by a manager with a big lead recently, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:28 (four months ago) Permalink

that doesn't sound like Respect for the Game

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:36 (four months ago) Permalink

Inauspicious debut for Jose Reyes:

1 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 0 K, 2 HR, 6 ER, 48 pitches (29 strikes), 54.00 ERA

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:08 (four months ago) Permalink

Makes me wonder get the record is for most pitches thrown in a game by a position player. Ouch!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:15 (four months ago) Permalink

typos there but hopefully the meaning comes through (new profile description)

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:15 (four months ago) Permalink

uh, i only just now realized that we all have profiles (accessible by clicking the username), and updated accordingly.

maybe i did know that we had profiles (i must have clicked them to send ilxmail...right?), but somehow it escaped me that you could edit the information in them, or that it was a thing to look at

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:20 (four months ago) Permalink

re the increase in position players pitching, it seems like people are freaking out about this because it's a direct acknowledgment that a team is giving up on a game?

For me it's mostly about the injury risk. If Rizzo had gotten hurt in that game he pitched, how do you justify losing your All-Star first baseman over something so stupid?

There's also the inherent ridiculousness of carrying 12 pitchers and still not having enough of them to throw some mop-up innings in a blowout.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 08:01 (four months ago) Permalink

James tweeted about this last week:

"The surge in the # of position players pitching is a signal that the 100-year trend toward more frequent pitching changes has finally reached a limit within the 25-man roster. The worst mistake that baseball could make would be to expand rosters and allow that trend to resume."

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:05 (four months ago) Permalink

xp yeah that's why they usually make the 4th outfielder do it. though idk if I've seen a position player injure themselves on the mound yet. I'm sure it's happened I just can't remember it. pitchers batting, on the other hand...

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:11 (four months ago) Permalink

There's also the inherent ridiculousness of carrying 12 pitchers and still not having enough of them to throw some mop-up innings in a blowout.

idk if your team is sitting at a 1% win probability I think it makes sense to save your arms if you can hobble through the last couple of innings

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Ryan Goins hurt himself pitching for the Jays a couple of years ago--he didn't miss much time. Didn't Canseco famously hurt himself pitching?

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:20 (four months ago) Permalink

Yeah, it was '93:

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-06-29/sports/1993180202_1_texas-rangers-canseco-jobe

He never played after June 23.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:24 (four months ago) Permalink

though idk if I've seen a position player injure themselves on the mound yet.

Jose Canseco famously blew out his arm pitching in the 90's. I think we haven't seen injuries because it used to not happen very often -- only a couple of times per season. If the current trend continues, it's only a matter of time before someone else hurts their arm or gets hit by a comebacker.

xposts

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:27 (four months ago) Permalink

I haven't paid enough attention to these situations β€” do position players ever pitch when they're winning in a blowout, or is it just when they're losing?

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:59 (four months ago) Permalink

it's possible, but i've never heard of it. apart from the fact that the winning team's pitchers, having not given up 17 runs or whatever, aren't as taxed, i'm pretty sure that would be considered a dire insult under the Unwritten Rules

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:41 (four months ago) Permalink

Apparently hasn't happened since George Sisler in 1920, when things wuz different.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/4/24/17274044/position-players-pitching-heck-yeah

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:46 (four months ago) Permalink

Has Position-Player Pitching Reached Its Peak… or Nadir? Last night we had 3 more position players pitch, furthering the already existing record to 49 β€”with an average of more than one per day since the All-Star break https://t.co/6nVHnIUOkc

— Jay Jaffe (@jay_jaffe) August 3, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 August 2018 11:34 (four months ago) Permalink

Pitchers becoming hitters and coming full circle as position players pitching ... Rick Ankiel wants to make a comeback in 2019 as a reliever. He'll be 40 next year.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 06:46 (four months ago) Permalink

Matt Davidson is the first 15-HR hitter to pitch 3x in a season since Ruth

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/matt-davidson-pulls-babe-ruth-continues-be-poster-child-baseballs-position-player-pitching

may be joined by Ohtani (11 HR)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 August 2018 11:54 (four months ago) Permalink

confusing url, slightly less but still very confusing title

challops trap house (Will M.), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 17:35 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

i guess it's understandable that jace peterson didn't cover first on a grounder to the 1B

mookieproof, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 20:04 (two months ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dog2ngGVsAEipId.jpg:small

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:08 (two months ago) Permalink


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