A Thread For Starting Pitchers That Are Doing Really Well

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Like Gavin Floyd against the Tigers today through 7.

Not that anything needs to be said about it HINT HINT.

David R., Saturday, 12 April 2008 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

good job

deeznuts, Saturday, 12 April 2008 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Renteria really sucks.

David R., Saturday, 12 April 2008 18:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Ryan Dempster has been shockingly effective in his two starts. 13 IP, 4 hits, 4 BB, 2R (1 ER), 10 K. Kudos.

felicity, Saturday, 12 April 2008 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

not really shocked cuz dempster showed #3-type stuff in relief last year, mixing in a lot of above avg pitches but nothing super-special; having him in the bp was kind of confounding to me. havent seen him yet this year but my guess is that he'll be a quality starter

deeznuts, Saturday, 12 April 2008 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah the shock is from years of mis-having him as a closer.

felicity, Saturday, 12 April 2008 19:45 (fourteen years ago) link

edgar "i stretch a lot in the batters box" renteria provided half their offense!

Kyle Lo(h)se deserves a place here

bnw, Saturday, 12 April 2008 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Cain just dingered.

Leee, Saturday, 12 April 2008 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

And has 6 no-hit innings.

Leee, Saturday, 12 April 2008 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

it is now 6.2 3-hit innings.

can add Looper to the list of ex-closers doing wtf well as a starter.

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Saturday, 12 April 2008 22:29 (fourteen years ago) link

LEE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING WHICH IS THE POINT OF THE THREAD HINT HINT

David R., Sunday, 13 April 2008 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Off-topic but on-topic in the "taking thread title literally" sense: SCOTT OLSEN (!?!?!?)

Not surprising: Jair Mothjerrfjuckjing Jurrjens. What is surprising, though, is his 7.46 K/9.

Andy K, Monday, 21 April 2008 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, after yesterday's start I grabbed him in the fantasy league. He looked good in an "I don't give a fuck about ANY of these chumps" way.

Rock Hardy, Monday, 21 April 2008 13:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Ponson wtf.

Andy K, Thursday, 1 May 2008 22:15 (fourteen years ago) link

every year there's always one or two dudes like this guy was in '00:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/smithch07.shtml

omar little, Thursday, 1 May 2008 22:24 (fourteen years ago) link

joe saunders

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

scott olson, tho he got rocked last night

J0rdan S., Thursday, 1 May 2008 22:25 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Jon Lester is pitching really well so far today.

mattbot, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

: D

omar little, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Man I sure picked the right meaningless Royals game to go to. Never thought I'd see a no-hitter.

govern yourself accordingly, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

well they are often worse pitched than some one or two hit games.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link

well, you know, it takes a tremendous amount of luck to achieve a one or two hitter.

j.q higgins, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link

they are often worse pitched than three or four hitters.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:29 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, fuck you :)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

(METS HAVE DONE FINE W/OUT ONE IN 46 YEARS)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:42 (fourteen years ago) link

best pitched game i ever saw live was when pedro struck out 15 and lost. to tampa. completely wtf.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

excuse me, retrosheet.org tells me he struck out 17 and lost.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

PITCHING

Tampa Bay Devil Rays IP H R ER BB SO HR
Trachsel W(2-2) 9 3 0 0 3 11 0

Boston Red Sox IP H R ER BB SO HR
P. Martinez L(5-1) 9 6 1 1 1 17 0

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

but Trachsel pitched better! HE GAVE UP HALF AS MANY HITS!

anyone see WGN rerun the 9th of Jim Maloney's no hitter vs the Cubs in '65, a few weeks ago during a rain delay? The guy walked TEN and threw something like 190 pitches!

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link

Back when the game was played by MEN

Andy K, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link

pretty sure while w/ montreal pedro threw 9 perfect innings & ended up losing

deeznuts, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

that's not too impressive, a lot of bad luck involved there.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:08 (fourteen years ago) link

xp to Andy: MEN whose arms were dead at 31!

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

so what? all the hitters were either boozed up or hungover. EVEN PLAYING FIELD.

chicago kevin, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

xp to Andy: MEN whose arms were dead at 31!

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, May 20, 2008 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

Back then, you didn't know whether you'd HAVE your throwing arm the next day -- lost to the combine out on the back forty, or combat, or what have you. You just threw like hell, left everything out there on the mound.

Andy K, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 00:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I once left my watch out on the mound, but that was not on purpose.

G00blar, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

daniel cabrera, the consecutive reigning AL walks champion, pitched his third game WITHOUT issuing a walk this season last night. his three-peat is in peril as he has now tumbled out of the top ten on the heels of his 8th straight quality start.

j.q higgins, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Following Daver's stinging rebukes, I'd like to known if it's now OK to say that Lester pitched a NH.

Leee, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Dana Eveland is pitching very nicely.

Alex in SF, Wednesday, 21 May 2008 21:45 (fourteen years ago) link

http://static.flickr.com/72/175995087_edd1f77f57_o.jpg

zaxxon25, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:52 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw andrew miller strike out 9 the other night, but i originally thought it was 13 or so, so i couldn't even imagine seeing 17

joe saunders is 8-1 w/ a 2.31 era right now

J0rdan S., Saturday, 24 May 2008 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link

JUSTIN DUCHSCHERER

Andy K, Sunday, 25 May 2008 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link

n/m

Andy K, Sunday, 25 May 2008 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Cueto through five

Andy K, Sunday, 1 June 2008 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Last Play: G. Blanco reached on bunt single to third

>:O

Steve Shasta, Sunday, 1 June 2008 18:40 (fourteen years ago) link

BRETTY MYERS OH MY THRU 6

johnny crunch, Thursday, 5 June 2008 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh well

Andy K, Thursday, 5 June 2008 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Greg Maddux still has it. He's perfect so far . . .

felicity, Thursday, 5 June 2008 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Ladies and Gentlemen, Bitter Cubsfan

deeznuts, Thursday, 5 June 2008 02:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I guess it's all part of what they call . . . gowring up.

felicity, Thursday, 5 June 2008 02:32 (fourteen years ago) link

"Dammit Clayton – I deeply respect you as a human being. Someday I'm gonna make you Mrs. Dave Roberts. Listen, you go back out there and give it all you got. Show me hoe perfect you can be. All right?"

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:45 (nine months ago) link

"tonight i want you to make the greater Los Angeles area perfect. just for one night."

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:47 (nine months ago) link

When Kershaw said he wanted to finish at 80 or 85 pitches, I'm going to take a wild guess that he wasn't factoring in "And that includes the possibility that I'll be working on a perfect game where I haven't had to push myself even once yet."

Here, to me, is a much more reasonable way to look at this (from, who else, Posnanski's column today--"The Johan Santana Game"):

“A lot of people blame the no-hitter on being the end of my career,” Santana would say. “But I don’t look at it that way. Because your career can end in one pitch in the beginning of your career or 10 years later or 20 years later.”

And I think that’s right. The risk is always there. And so is the opportunity. I believe Dave Roberts made the right choice with Kershaw because I believe it’s what Kershaw wants — he’s a team player from K to W, and he wants to protect that elbow and pitch all season and make another run at the World Series. Pulling him after seven innings might give him a better chance of doing that. I think we can respect that choice.

I believe Johan Santana wanted something else. He wanted history, and he was willing to risk the rest to make it happen. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that choice either.

clemenza, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:55 (nine months ago) link

Lost my connection there...

So he's supporting Roberts, and taking it, on faith, that what Kershaw is saying publicly is what he actually wanted. But he's also aware of the hidden cost--what was lost--and saying that going the other route is perfectly acceptable.

(Two guys on the radio this morning thought that Kershaw was put into an impossible spot simply by being consulted. If he says "Yeah, I'd like to stay in," he'll get grief for pursuing selfish goals. I don't agree with that on balance--I'd rather he be in on the decision--but I don't think their conclusion is wrong either.)

Last thing I really want to say on this: once again, I totally understand taking him out. What I hate, though, is someone dispassionately making all the obvious arguments as to why you take him out without ever acknowledging the other side, the historic opportunity that was lost (and just saying something like "perfect games are cool, of course" doesn't really get at that).

clemenza, Thursday, 14 April 2022 19:16 (nine months ago) link

I did send in a "Hey Bill" (one of three Kershaw-related questions he posted today):

Bill -- Would you have pulled Kershaw today? Or is that a pointless question unless you have as much first-hand information about the situation as Dave Roberts?

I'm pretty sure you once wrote--maybe more than once--that pitch-count in the abstract is meaningless, the important thing is how many pitches are thrown after a pitcher is tired. Seeing as Kershaw was seemingly sailing through the game, and had a six-run lead, my instinct is that he hadn't reached that point yet...but I know it's early in a season that had a late start to spring training.
Asked by: Phil Dellio

Answered: 4/15/2022
No, I didn't write that, although I remember that somebody did...I read it somewhere. I don't know the right or wrong of it. The chance that he would have finished the Perfect Game is about 10%. Is a 10% chance of a perfect game a big enough thing to risk an injury that might devastate his season? It isn't JUST the pitch count; you're talking about an older pitcher, and a very early-season game after a shortened spring training. Not saying that he SHOULD have come out; I would just urge you to present the problem fully, rather than with a slant.

I indicated above that I thought there'd be a good chance he'd agree with the decision--he comes pretty close to doing that.

A couple of minor things...I might not have presented the problem fully fully, but of the three points he makes--older pitcher, early, short spring training--I did acknowledge two of them. And I'm positive he once wrote that about pitch count. He does that now and again with reader e-mail, say he either doesn't remember writing something somebody quotes--understandable--or say it's something he never wrote. Trying to dig up something is virtually impossible: the Historical Abstracts are indexed, but the yearly Abstracts, and the yearly Baseball Books, aren't.

clemenza, Friday, 15 April 2022 17:47 (nine months ago) link

Not sure this thread has a purpose anymore, but Ohtani through 5/60 pitches.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:48 (nine months ago) link

12 Ks through 5.1

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:55 (nine months ago) link

Aaaand it’s over.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:57 (nine months ago) link

So much for that...And I was even trying to set realistic goals, hoping they'd pull him after 6 with the highest six-inning Game Score ever.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 April 2022 00:58 (nine months ago) link

I was waiting for the 6th before saying anything.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 April 2022 01:08 (nine months ago) link

Not a bad idea--I won't post here anymore unless someone heads out for the 8th.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 April 2022 01:16 (nine months ago) link

Hahaa

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 April 2022 01:18 (nine months ago) link

I'm down there on Thursday--think we've lucked out and should get Manoah.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2022 15:24 (nine months ago) link

Especially good if you’re in the 500s. Dude is massive!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 April 2022 15:47 (nine months ago) link

Oops--that was supposed to go in the Jays thread...Anyway, we've got pretty good seats in short right-field.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2022 16:11 (nine months ago) link

two weeks pass...

nestor cortes through 6

na (NA), Monday, 9 May 2022 18:53 (eight months ago) link

Nasty Nestor thru 6 (74 pitches)

lol xp

francisF, Monday, 9 May 2022 18:54 (eight months ago) link

jon gray was matching him for a bit and then he gave up a hit and immediately got injured again

na (NA), Monday, 9 May 2022 18:57 (eight months ago) link

And he carried it through the seventh
But he died along the way
Someone else took over
Just like yesterday

clemenza, Monday, 9 May 2022 19:16 (eight months ago) link

Someone else honked over
Just like boboday

, Monday, 9 May 2022 19:36 (eight months ago) link

Orioles rookie Kyle Bradish has pitched 7 complete, 11 strikeouts and hasn't walked anybody. Only runs he allowed were on a weird inside-the-park HR that Mullins kicked in the outfield.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:02 (eight months ago) link

some called it weird; i called it fate

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:16 (eight months ago) link

verlander's through 7 with no hits btw

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 02:17 (eight months ago) link

Reid Detmers completes the no-hitter for the Angels, throwing 106 pitches and surrendering one walk

Bee OK, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 04:19 (eight months ago) link

Man I didn't expect that Bradish's gem was going to be at best the third-best start in the American League tonight

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 04:22 (eight months ago) link

Yeah, Jfc!

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 11 May 2022 04:51 (eight months ago) link

I was only half-following online, but I think the Jays' Kikuchi had no-hit the Yankees through five innings last night...wasted again.

clemenza, Wednesday, 11 May 2022 12:44 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Mikolas broken up on the last out and 129th pitch

, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:32 (seven months ago) link

A thread for spoilers who are doing well

Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:41 (seven months ago) link

Wow. That is the ONE cardinals game I’ve missed watching this year. Including spring training.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:41 (seven months ago) link

cristian javier is through seven in the bronx but has thrown 115 pitches

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 June 2022 19:32 (seven months ago) link

& neris + pressley complete it

johnny crunch, Saturday, 25 June 2022 20:23 (seven months ago) link

now for the bombers to lose their next 15 games

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 June 2022 20:25 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

40 year old wainwright, practically dead from old age, threw 7.2 hitless tonight, then went through 9 on 3 hits and 1 run. game's still going, tied 1-1 with the brewers in the 10th

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 01:59 (five months ago) link

Aaron Nola throw a complete game tonight and gave up 1 run but got the loss.

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 14 August 2022 02:18 (five months ago) link

has wainwright yet disavowed his pledge to retire?

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2022 02:23 (five months ago) link

as far as i know, he has never said he'd retire! it was kind of an assumption. a one-year deal, molina's last year, he's turning and "his body is changing", he has hair in places where he did not have hair before. but afaik he never pledged retirement. i very much expect him to pitch next year and look forward to it. did not expect him to turn into bob tewksbury at the end of his career but i love it

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 02:34 (five months ago) link

and, if it's not clear, i am a total jackass for openly wishing for him to retire 3-5 years ago. i thought he was done, i was totally wrong. all hail the christian god

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 August 2022 02:35 (five months ago) link

tampa's drew rasmussen is perfect through six on 54 pitches (!)

but he has only thrown more than six once this year

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:30 (five months ago) link

perfect through eight, 78 pitches

only gone to a three-ball count twice, both in the second inning

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:56 (five months ago) link

79 pitches now through 8 innings--that's amazing.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:56 (five months ago) link

it's been...ten years since the last perfect game?

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 14 August 2022 19:58 (five months ago) link

They're talking about it on the Jays' broadcast right now; Buck Martinez, one of the two announcers, was in the lineup when Len Barker threw his PG against Toronto in '81.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:03 (five months ago) link

well fuck

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:06 (five months ago) link

well there it goes

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:07 (five months ago) link

did not know rays had these alternate uniforms with a fish on the cap and a ms paint sun on the jersey

Michael F Gill, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:08 (five months ago) link

beloved ex-ray brett phillips was in line to be the final batter but oh well

mookieproof, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:08 (five months ago) link

I thought for sure I'd set it up so Odor would break it up.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:11 (five months ago) link

Lost the perfect game, the no-hitter, the Maddux, the shutout, and the CG in about two minutes.

clemenza, Sunday, 14 August 2022 20:13 (five months ago) link

"not if Jorge Mateo has anything to say about it"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 14 August 2022 21:33 (five months ago) link


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