Ichiro/Sisler Watch!

Message Bookmarked

Bookmark Removed

Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (208 of them)

View Previous Page...

He's not gonna break the record.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

He's certainly not gonna break it in 154 games. ASTERISK!!!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Exactly.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, you still have to give credit to Sisler. Everyone in the league benefitted from the things you mentioned, but he was the only one who got that many hits.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Nate, that rant you linked to was awesome. Delusion at its finest.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 17 September 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

I should really use the pejorative "scums" more often.

― alfalfa romeo (natepatrin), Friday, 17 September 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ichiro is 5 for 5 tonight. 243 hits with 11 games left after tonight, needing 15 hits.

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Ichiro broke the MLB record for singles in a a season (with an asterisk) yesterday:

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

If there's 12 games left, why the asterisk?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

wait when did the switch to 154 games?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

In 1898, when Wee Willie Keeler established the record for singles in a season, his Brooklyn Bridegrooms played 149 games. Other teams in the league played anywhere from 145-152 games that year.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Oops, I meant that Keeler played for the Baltimore Orioles. Still 149 games, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Based on some very cursory research, it looks like the 154-game season was established in 1904.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Although this site claims it was 1892, so I dunno. I'm guessing that maybe it was officially a 154-game season, but the actual likelihood of each team playing all 154 games was slim, as rain-outs probably weren't made up as frequently as they are now. (The Cubs' games from Sunday-Tuesday of this week were each in a different city!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

so how many anti-ichiro screeds has BP put up so far? or is he still not getting enough attention/praise to make the effort worthwhile?

― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Baseball Prospectus is like the No Depression of MLB mags

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

it's more like the OMNI of MLB mags.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

more like the ILM of music mags (if ILM was a mag)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

nah, it's not that bad.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

ack, I meant to write "the ILM of MLB mags", but I guess the point was made.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Ichiro has 3 more hits tonight, giving him 246 on the year, 11 hits to tie with 10 games left. Y'all do the math

oh and to paraphrase gygax up yonder, Raul Ibanez is 6 for 6, wtf

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

make that four hits! Ichiro is up to 247 hits and a .374 BA

ten games to go...

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 23 September 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

He did it! He tied Sisler in the 1st inning tonight. With 3 games left, it seems academic at this point whether he'll get more than Sisler.

Incredible.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

...and one AB later, he breaks Sisler's record. What a machine.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

awesome! he's also got the record for most hits in a four year span.

he's 30 - i can't help but wonder how long he'll be keeping this up.

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 2 October 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to take credit for beginning the countdown long before anyone in the media thx

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 02:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Full credit given, Gear. I didn't know the name George Sisler prior to seeing this thread, and I sure as fuck wasn't paying attention to anything relating to the Mariners 'til this.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Saturday, 2 October 2004 02:43 (nineteen years ago) link

― oops (Oops), Saturday, 2 October 2004 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

oops OTM

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 06:46 (nineteen years ago) link

But of course.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 2 October 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

awhile ago i mentioned a study of speed's traditionally unquantified effects on the game, with ichiro as the focal point. i finally found it: http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/ichiro.htm

what's most interesting to me at the moment is that tippet implies ichiro's speed on the basepaths more than makes up for his many infield singles presumably failing to advance runners the traditional 2 bases. i don't know about that, but it would seem that basic run metrics like EQR, VORP, or RC might end up with a pretty accurate estimation of ichiro's worth after all. (he's also said to create a further unmeasured ~5 runs due to his DP/GB rate, so they may indeed undershoot his worth)

here's where he places among fellow ALers:

EQR 2nd
EQA 10th
VORP 4th
RC 1st
RC/27 7th

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 2 October 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

migawd are you asterisk ppl for real???

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 2 October 2004 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

more specific q to asterisk-ppl: would you be saying the same of any other record? did you agree with the maris asterisk? if there's consistency here i've no major quarrel with you freaks.

reading over this thread i saw my BP anti-ichiro question, and while i can't answer it this http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3518 is a free roundtable discussion they posted today

joe sheehan prepares to set the tone but is quickly taken to task by mariners fan zumsteg and left pleading "gut feeling". we only get one "it's just cuz he hustles and ppl are suckers for that" comment and it might be sarcastic, tho i doubt it. there is a hilarious reply to sheehan's drivel here http://ussmariner.com/index.php?p=1939

(sheehan does have a couple seeds for thought desperately trying to bud amidst all the bullshit but the unchecked acrimoniousness of that retort made me lol) (although that was probably because i inititally thought it was derek zumsteg himself, taking the gloves off after some kind of split!)

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 2 October 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

i think they're saying * on sisler's record cuz he only had to play against fat white guys

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 2 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

and wells is in the nl this year

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 2 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm all for measuring records over averages rather than aggregates.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

er, why not do both, like we do now? to some extent anyway. and that's totally unrealistic anyway but i'm sure you know that.

i was mistaken above, ichiro's in a tie for 2nd in AL VORP.

― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 2 October 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I think the essence is: Ichiro's ability to hit the ball in ways no one else seems able to is astounding. He's had one of the best seasons in the league this year, BUT not even close to one of the great years in history, and that's where his most wild-eyed fans are mistaken.

And I am curious, like Sheehan, to see if he can hit .420+ in several different months next year.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Ichiro/Waner Watch:

Jul 31: Ichiro belted a pair of home runs in the Mariners' 3-2 win over the Cleveland Indians Saturday, breaking Paul Waner's 75-year-old record for most hits in his first five major league seasons. He now has 1,059 career hits with 49 games still left on the schedule.

It took Waner 747 games to amass 1,057 hits from 1926-30. Ichiro has played in 737 big league contests to date.

based on his career averages, it seems like he should have broken that record about a month ago. what's going on this year?

― the leglo (the leglo), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean, he's still hitting .300, but after last year, it seems like a huge disappointment.

― the leglo (the leglo), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude's getting old.

Also, after last year, ANYTHING'S gonna be a disappointment!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

jeez let up a little. ichiro's awesome. he will be a hofer.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 5 August 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.hardballtimes.com/images/uploads/ichiro_graph.gif

Outlier anyone? Check today's Hardball Times for a great article on Ichiro's regression.

He has definitely lost a step or two speedwise. He flubbed a flyball yesterday, not too different from the one that got away last week.

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

From that same article: "If Ichiro has slowed down, then why are his triples up, and his stolen bases and stolen-base percentage nearly equal to his numbers from last year? Why is he posting a career high Range Factor (2.56) and a much better Zone Rating (.883) than last season? His defense hasn't declined and neither has his speed on the base paths..."

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

My observation was based on watching him attempt to run out 3 groundouts and comparing it to the same blazing speed that I had seen in years previous.

His range on the flub (scored a single) looked feeble, like there was no doubt that a ball in semi-shallow right was a potential out (the A's fans were particularly shocked at the miscue). Ichiro got a bad jump, and the play was bookended by a particularly ungraceful finish (he inadvertantly kicked the ball into the infield after the flub).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

hey at least he kicked it into the infield! also: "who are you going to believe, statistics in the article you yourself quoted or your own lying eyes?"

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

...or the home scorer who gives Ellis a single...

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(That was the only flyball out of the infield off of Felix Hernandez in his 7 innings pitched BTW... maybe Ichiro was sleeping).

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

or contemplating how a lot of baseball statheads have been ragging on him for years as a substandard overhyped player who needs to improve his power numbers in order to be a useful corner outfielder, and why they are changing their tunes now that he's gone and done it, and how everyone agrees that BA is all overhyped but the fact that his is down from last year WHEN HE GOT MORE HITS THAN ANYONE EVER is somehow cause for huge scary alarm and editorials and stuff

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Skipping 108 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.