― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link
If I'm reading the charts right, CP's bullpen support was among the worst (3.63) in '03 and decent (-0.83) this year:
http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sp_pen_support2004.html
http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sp_pen_support2003.html
Keep in mind Pavano's 2000 surgery meant he didn't have 30 (or even 25) starts in a year til 2003. Will Carroll, BP's injury guru, greenlights him:
"Carl Pavano (GREEN) - Here's a test case for pitchers. Pavano never pitched more than 136 innings before age 27, then jumped up to the 200-inning mark in his next two seasons. He pitched for a World Series winner, then got better the next season. He has a classic pitcher's frame, good mechanics, and everything but a strikeout pitch. If BP built a pitcher, Frankenstein-style, there'd be some Pavano parts in the mix. You have to be damned good to dump Alyssa Milano. (prediction: Orioles)"
The full Carroll free-agent report (non-premium!):
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3622
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Kent has been healthy even as he's aged, assuming he can be kept away from "car washes." (Cubs)
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link
ViewsThe Tigers now have two closers. They recently picked up the $4-million option on Ugueth Urbina's contract for 2005. You can expect they will be asked about this at their upcoming press conference; it's quite possible Urbina will be traded at baseball's winter meetings. Percival was reportedly being pursued by up to 12 teams, most notably the Indians, who will now likely focus their attention on landing free agent Armando Benitez as consolation. Percival's fantasy value will suffer a little in Detroit, as he will have fewer save opportunities than he's had in Anaheim, but will be pitching in a better pitcher's ballpark. The main concern with the 35-year-old Percival remains his health, as he has battled various ailments the last couple years and is certainly past his prime.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link
Vizquel made $6.25M in 04, he will make $4.08M in 05 (-35%)Percival made $7.8M in 04, and will make $6M in 05 (-23%)
Those are some pretty significant pay decreases which do not look out of line for guys in their mid-30s who can still play reasonably well.
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link
Vizquel: $15M/2yrs : $12.25/3 yrs = -45%Percival: $16M/2yrs : $12M/2 yrs = -25%
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.movieactors.com/photos-sf/cocoon.jpeg
― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Beltran won't come to Chicago, I know there is some delusional thinking that it might happen, but I don't see it happening. Major free agent stars don't decide to play for either Chicago teams, it just doesn't happen.
I do think Jeff Kent might end up a Cub. Nomar won't be back, but I could see Chicago going after Cabrera, especially if they get Kent. They really need another left handed bat, but neither of these guys are one, so that trade for Sosa for Green could be good. I still have a feeling Sammy will be playing for the Cubs next season.
The Giants need to get with the stick and sign Moises Alou to complete the ancient ones.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 23:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link
The Twinkies also have a couple of ancients in their midst they could deal to the Giants with Terry Mulholland and Pat Borders.
They need to bring back Benito Santiago, he was the perfect catcher for their team. They would look like an Allstar lineup from 1993!
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 18 November 2004 02:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link
but there has to be some market for moderately-priced 2b/of guy w/ good average & obp, huh?
on another note: anyone see espn's ranking of fa's and projected suitors?
kinda silly.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link
i would bet that carlos delgado has become their prime offensive target. it seems that the magglio ordonez talk has cooled quite a bit.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:05 (nineteen years ago) link
hairston and roberts are basically the same guy. matos and bigbie are basically the same guy. gibbons seems to injury prone to make an impact.
markakis is a couple years off and has good power potential as does this other guy...walter something or other.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― maura (maura), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Friday, 19 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 19 November 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 November 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link
I guess Oakland is in talks with Pittsburgh, maybe Zito for Kendall?
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 November 2004 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/nyspken214050892nov21,0,7933337.column
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spken214050892nov21,0,7933337.column
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
Regardless, seeing the A's weather the supposed debilitating loss of their superstar has been quite remarkable. They lose Tejada, but get capable production from Crosby, see a spike in production from Durazo & Chavez, get a full year of Eric Byrnes' goodness and a damn good year from a (finally!) healthy Mark Kotsay. If it wasn't for Arthur Rhodes (& other bullpen pitchers not named Octavio Dotel or Justin Durscherer) blowing up in their face, and the Big 3 doing #2 on the mound for a short portion of the year, they would've played the Red Sox in the DS.
Is Jermaine Dye off their books yet?
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Essentially (since he's in the final season of his contract), they are "renting" Zito. And forget the "big three" talk, there are FOUR quality starters on the As, and Zito's arguably the most disposable of them.
Another side note that I've wanted to touch on here but always forget to is that in last year's BP guide they pointed out the departure of longtime Oakland pitching coach/trainer (i can't remember which one) and forecasted a steep decline in the quality of Oakland's pitching. Needless to say they were right.
And I seriously doubt that the Pirates (who stole Perez & Bay from SD) would be so willing to give them up.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
The others who started games in 2004 were Mark Redman and Kirk Saarlos.
And yes, Jermaine Dye is off the books (hence the resigning of Chavez).
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
and yes i doubt the pirates would ever make the trade i suggested above, but to deal for kendall would be a HUGE mistake.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Monday, 22 November 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link