shohei ohtani alert

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Ippei seems like a toxic hanger on


Based on what? His track record was just as clean.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:30 (two months ago) link

Ippei seems like a toxic hanger on

src? lol

also hello and welcome to ILB!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:32 (two months ago) link

Craig Calcaterra just dropped a free newsletter on this which addresses the various theories and goes into some of the problems with the bank transfers:

https://cupofcoffee.beehiiv.com/p/cup-coffee-extra-breaking-shohei-ohtaniippei-mizuhara-story

Btw, why do Americans use the term wire transfer? I thought I was going to have to read up and find out it was a bank transaction made in person but no, bank transfer.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:05 (two months ago) link

Because all the pieces matter.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

i imagine because such transactions were long ago done by telegraph?

certain financial shenanigans are still legally referred to as 'wire fraud'

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:10 (two months ago) link

maybe i'm a sucker but i have a hard time reconciling the fact that the bets were largely on NBA, NFL, and college football games and the fact that ippei grew up in america w/ the idea of ohtani being the gambler here. he just does not seem like the most likely suspect given that. maybe you could say that ohtani enjoyed the vicarious thrill of gambling via ippei's wagers even tho i can't imagine he has much understanding of or interest in football, in particular. i do believe he knew that ippei was gambling bcuz i don't think you can be that close w/ someone gambling that much money and not have some inkling. and i do think ohtani likely gave him the money to cover the losses... i think his contract deferral is an indicator that he's somewhat selfless when it comes to money. so that tracks for me. but the idea of ohtani wagering on ohio st-mich... that's a tougher one for me

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 March 2024 20:45 (two months ago) link

the bets were largely on NBA, NFL, and college football games


I’m aware that’s what they say and I think your theory is right based on Ippei’s upbringing, but 1) that hasn’t been proven yet by investigation and 2) I think the first explanation - Ippei is the gambler, Ohtani made the payments - is probably most likely. However, per the Calcaterra article, he cited some MLB rule that I personally had never heard of which says it’s forbidden to even interact with illegal bookies. That would be bad for Ohtani, but I think they have to jump through a lot of hoops to prove he stole the money if it’s not true, considering that someone that rich likely has his money carefully monitored and safeguarded. I don’t imagine unless some dramatic and very clear cut evidence emerges that he gets banned, but he might pick up a fine and get suspended for a few games or something.

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:02 (two months ago) link

honestly i'd be pretty impressed if he were betting on ohio state-michigan

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:06 (two months ago) link

considering that someone that rich likely has his money carefully monitored and safeguarded

athletes and celebrities frequently get huge sums of money stolen from them by people close to or employed by them, so i wouldn't assume this

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 21 March 2024 21:12 (two months ago) link

just happened to jim palmer!

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 21 March 2024 22:14 (two months ago) link

didn't even know Palmer needed a translator!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 21 March 2024 22:22 (two months ago) link

Only during mound visits from Earl Weaver.

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 22:34 (two months ago) link

ESPN updated their story to say that Ohtani’s people reported Ippei to the authorities for theft. So now we wait!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 21 March 2024 22:39 (two months ago) link

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/could-shohei-ohtani-face-punishment-for-interpreter-gambling-scandal-what-legal-expert-mlb-rules-say/

"There are so many potential crimes here, state and federal, and the big dangers with violating the anti-gambling laws is they're all written to go after organized crime, which means all the organized crime statutes can kick in, like RICO and money laundering," said Rose, who has served as a government consultant to entities including the Arizona Department of Gaming, the Delaware State Lottery, the Illinois Gaming Board, the Michigan State Lottery and the New Mexico Gaming Control Board.

If Ohtani did knowingly wire the money to pay Mizuhara's debt, either to Mizuhara or directly to the bookie, he could be considered complicit in helping an illegal gambler collect, according to Rose.

"In other words, he's helping the bookie collect the debt. It gets extraordinarily bad if he knew any of this was going on and agreed to it," Rose said.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:21 (two months ago) link

"Nelson Rose, an expert on gambling law and co-founder of the California Council on Problem Gambling..."--that's funny!

clemenza, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:25 (two months ago) link

Yeah I saw the name Rose and had to look

felicity, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:52 (two months ago) link

lol i really thought it was good ol Pete, just what i get for only scanning

omar little, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:54 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/QYpF4vm.png

z_tbd, Thursday, 21 March 2024 23:57 (two months ago) link

Posnanski's always free on Friday; he has some Shohei stuff in here.

https://open.substack.com/pub/joeposnanski/p/free-friday-ohtani-march-madness?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2024 16:42 (two months ago) link

If the IRS finds zero significant transactions between Ippei & Bowyer and then chooses to go public with that information (ie, not backdoor to MLB/LAD for internal discipline), then Shohei is fucked.

Based on IRS/FEDs sports investigation history (notably Jeff Novitsky et al) there is no superstar athlete (eg Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones, Barry Bonds) too big for them to take on.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 17:05 (two months ago) link

I’m not on Twitter, but Lincecum is apparently making some wild connections right now.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link

he hasn’t posted since 2012, does he have an alt?

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:19 (two months ago) link

The gf was sending me screen grabs. I actually do not think that’s him.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:28 (two months ago) link

There’s like 5 posts and idk how to find the other ones tbh, I fucking can’t stand trying to use Twitter.

Ohtani Throwing Games: A Thread
(1) July 22, 2022, a bet of $1,000,000 was placed for the Atlanta Braves to score over 6.5 runs against the Los Angeles Angels parlayed with Braves -3.5. The bet was placed with a bookie in Mizusawa (Shohei’s home town). The pitcher for the Angels

— TimmySmokes (@timmy_smokes) March 22, 2024

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:30 (two months ago) link

No idea how one would gather that info and no real link to Ohtani himself. But those amounts - IF this is accurate - are huge. But I’m getting big time Ohtani flight tracker vibes from this.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:31 (two months ago) link

That's gotta by gyac's alt... I'd put serious money on it.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:32 (two months ago) link

Ha!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:33 (two months ago) link

Actually I can't read anything beyond the initial post, does UNROLL still function?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:35 (two months ago) link

Lmao @ comments about my alt

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:36 (two months ago) link

I’ll screenshot the thread for you brb

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:36 (two months ago) link

heres the rest

(2) that day? Shohei Ohtani. That stats for Shohei that day were as followed, 6.1 IP, 6 H, 6 ER and 1 BB. At the plate you ask? 0-3 with 2 strike outs. Was he throwing games? I’ll let you decide that

— TimmySmokes (@timmy_smokes) March 22, 2024

(3) July 4, 2023 (America’s Birthday!!!) a bet was placed in the same hometown with the same bookie for 4.2 million dollars on the over for the Padres run total! Guess who was pitching? You guessed it! Shofraud! 5 IP 5 ER while going 0-3 at the plate….

NOT EVEN 10 DAYS LATER A

— TimmySmokes (@timmy_smokes) March 22, 2024

(4) 10 MILLION DOLLAR BET WAS PLACED. Same bookie, same town….. a parlay with +2500 odds.
•Astros -1.5
•Astros o 6.5
•Shohei o 4.5 runs allowed
•Shohei u 6.5 K
•game total o 11.5
Shohei’s line for that day, 6 IP, 9 H, 5 ER while allowing 2 home runs. Shohei went 2-5 at the

— TimmySmokes (@timmy_smokes) March 22, 2024

(5) plate. The extra motivation to make the over cash really helped.

He has a true addiction and problem. He needs real help. Hopefully the true story gets out and the poor interpreter can be set free from this madness. @espn @JeffPassan @Ken_Rosenthal #Ohtani

— TimmySmokes (@timmy_smokes) March 22, 2024

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:38 (two months ago) link

thnkn' u froggo

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:40 (two months ago) link

kind of useless info unless we know how often giant bets like this are placed with Mizusawa bookies. I like Ohtani as much as anyone but I'm kinda rooting for a big gambling scandal. no real reason just think it would be funny

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:42 (two months ago) link

Lmao too fast

https://postimg.cc/gallery/wD0w4bN/07d7ba6f

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:42 (two months ago) link

Yeah seems like a pretty wild and unsubstantiated series of accusations, source makes no sense, @ing the reporters at the end threw me a bit though

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:42 (two months ago) link

Ok so how do you find out the point of origin data on betting?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:43 (two months ago) link

Btw Tim Lincecum does have a Twitter account with a total of 8 tweets, this was the last one, RIP sweet king

Just got home from Benihana's and some solid cook-in-front-you-food, now comes the 'food coma'

— Tim Lincecum (@timlincecum) March 13, 2012

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:45 (two months ago) link

That's gotta by gyac's alt... I'd put serious money on it.


Shohei?!

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:45 (two months ago) link

#1) Mizusawa officially changed its name to Oshu (note: NOT OHSHU) in 2006* which makes me a little sus...

*https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A5%A5%E5%B7%9E%E5%B8%82#%E6%A6%82%E8%A6%81

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:46 (two months ago) link

Just got home from Benihana's and some solid cook-in-front-you-food, now comes the 'food coma'
— Tim Lincecum (@timlincecum) March 13, 2012

Ippei's dad is an izakaya chef in Costa Mesa, c'mon people... DO YOU SEE!?!?!?!?!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:47 (two months ago) link

ending this with "he has a real problem, free the interpreter" makes me suspect this is all made up, but hey I'm intrigued

frogbs, Friday, 22 March 2024 19:47 (two months ago) link

Also if Timmeh had wrote that the bet was placed with a bookie in San Juan Capistrano (literally the whole reason Otani got snagged into the net) I would be much more intrigued.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:51 (two months ago) link

_Just got home from Benihana's and some solid cook-in-front-you-food, now comes the 'food coma'
— Tim Lincecum (@timlincecum) March 13, 2012_


Ippei's dad is an izakaya chef in Costa Mesa, c'mon people... DO YOU SEE!?!?!?!?!


Lincecum has a tattoo on the back of his neck of the Japanese character for “man” Ohtani is a Japanese man, it’s all there people

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 19:53 (two months ago) link

Calling on Kenesaw Mountain Manfred to sort this out.

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2024 20:39 (two months ago) link

And Benihana was founded by Rocky Aoki whose son DJ Steve Aoki has a Vega$ residency, where gambling *is* legal. So I'm all in on $hohei being legitimately mistaken.

felicity, Friday, 22 March 2024 20:41 (two months ago) link

This is Manfred's biggest crisis since Covid, right? These things do tend to define a commissioner--Kuhn and Aaron (well, Kuhn had a dozen of them), Giamatti and Rose, Selig and PEDs, etc.

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link

(And before someone points this out, I know Landis had his entrenched opposition to integration as a--or the--major part of his legacy.)

clemenza, Friday, 22 March 2024 20:47 (two months ago) link

ESPN just published a big timeline with some more granular information. A lot of questions remain, whole thing remains extremely messy. What stuck out to me is that ESPN has known about the wire transfers for months.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39784809/dodgers-shohei-ohtani-mizuhara-theft-line

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 20:54 (two months ago) link

Jeff Passan waiting there to drop his tweet about Ohtani’s new team back in December, thinking, I wonder how they’ll deal with this when it comes out?

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:01 (two months ago) link

So the Dodgers hire a PR crisis agent to coach Mizuhara for ~5 hours on how to soften the blow/get the story straight in the interview and then immediately after that interview Mizuhara changes his story and says he was lying the entire time.

LOL

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 March 2024 21:18 (two months ago) link


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