Bouton...remembered Mickey Mantle, hungover on the bench, asked to pinch hit. Somehow, Mantle hit a homerun and dragged himself around the bases. “They’ll never know how hard that was,” Mantle said back in the dugout.
https://www.theattic.space/home-page-blogs/2020/5/8/the-book-that-befouled-baseball#:~:text=Enter%20Ball%20Four.,season%2C%20he%20told%20no%20one.
― clemenza, Sunday, 29 October 2023 21:09 (two years ago)
No sarcasm here, genuinely wondering what older players would have done better.
Modern players are better in general, but other skills have evolved, such as the small ball strategies you mentioned. Players today aren't asked to do those things, so they're not good at doing them.
For SP's, pacing oneself to be able to pitch into the late innings used to be important, but it's not anymore. It's not that older pitchers were better or tougher or more durable, it's just a different game now. In the 70's and 80's, most teams had 2-3 banjo hitters in the lineup and the SP didn't need to use his best stuff. That helps a lot for pitching late into games. It's obviously not like that anymore.
It's the same with hitters. Hardly anyone hits .300 anymore, why not? It's all about making hard contact now and there isn't a stigma around K's like there used to be. But it's also true (up until the 1990's and perhaps beyond) that if you knocked out the SP, you could feast on the bullpen. Now even the 12th pitcher on the staff throws 95. There are no banjo hitters or junkballing pitchers in the game. Hitting for average isn't a lost skill.
Maybe I got off topic here, but it's an interesting discussion.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 30 October 2023 09:57 (two years ago)
The World Series meets Immaculate Grid:
https://www.mlb.com/news/all-30-teams-represented-in-2023-world-series
(I wonder if that's common or rare.)
― clemenza, Monday, 30 October 2023 17:32 (two years ago)
just me or does every picture of chris young look computer generated?https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2023/10/29223557/GettyImages-1762110225-1024x683.jpg
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 30 October 2023 17:44 (two years ago)
Chris Young is 6-10. This afternoon, MLB has had both Aaron Judge (6-7, Clemente winner) and Randy Johnson (6-10, throwing out the first pitch tonight) on their pre-game panel. No one asked either guy about Frank Howard (6-7), who died earlier today.
― clemenza, Monday, 30 October 2023 23:01 (two years ago)
I have two or three of that Max rookie card they just flashed on the screen, bought pretty cheaply online just before he took off for the stratosphere in Washington.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:16 (two years ago)
2011 World Series: Rangers vs Cardinals
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I know--that's a board-wide thing.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:18 (two years ago)
JUNG
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:29 (two years ago)
really felt like sherzer was on the ropes - quite a turnaround
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:30 (two years ago)
I've probably encountered a better arm for a third baseman, but I don't remember who it was. (Is Arenado so great because of his arm? I hardly ever see him.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:32 (two years ago)
(xpost) He doesn't seem long for this game.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:33 (two years ago)
That sure looked like strike three.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:34 (two years ago)
Probably tautological, but Texas has a great offense when they lay off low breaking balls (G1) and a terrible offense when they swing at them (G2).
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:39 (two years ago)
wow this game changed in a hurry
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:41 (two years ago)
smoltz saying as soon as semien took a ball the other way he’d get on tracksemien pulls a ball into the gap, drives in the first run of the game
― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 00:42 (two years ago)
texas can really wreck shop
So much for Max.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:03 (two years ago)
at least the cut on his thumb has healed
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:08 (two years ago)
If we get to game 7 and continue posting on rate, we might hit those 2011 numbers Clem!
Just tuning in now. Scherzer gave up no runs?!!!! How’s Pfaadt been? Smoltz not missing again? The man is on.
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:14 (two years ago)
Mathematically, you might be right. Just felt like there was so much posting going on 12 years ago--maybe it was just more people doing the posting.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:17 (two years ago)
Man, that arm on Jung. No nickname yet; have to put a psychology-related nickname aside and go with something about his arm.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:27 (two years ago)
5.1 with 3 runs on this Texas team? Quality start in my books
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:36 (two years ago)
xp It's hard to make a word play with "synchronicity" or "collective unconscious."
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:37 (two years ago)
this ump is all over the place - can’t wait to see the scorecard tomorrow
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:38 (two years ago)
Synchronicity--there's your nickname right there.
Balls and strikes have been poor tonight, to my eyes (for both teams).
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:40 (two years ago)
love castro’s snakeskin belt - at least i think its snakeskin - what else could it be?
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:42 (two years ago)
Great "sweeper" (new cliché) by Castro for the second out.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:42 (two years ago)
Texas needs Jon Gray not to remember he's a mediocre roster-filler for one more inning.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:46 (two years ago)
gray’s got a nice mizuno glove, i like that. league seems to be rawlings/wilson mainly, so good to see some variety
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:47 (two years ago)
maybe semien should switch to a mizuno - might have actually caught that then
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:49 (two years ago)
Seemed like a generous hit, or at least in slow motion it did...I guess it was hit pretty hard.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 01:54 (two years ago)
PFAADT and SBORZ in the same game, finally
― 龜, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:01 (two years ago)
Pham-tastic
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:02 (two years ago)
Tommy Pham to do absolutely nothing
Currently a possible MVP--on the field, and he's even got some narrative going for him.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:03 (two years ago)
The moment I've so not been looking forward to: Aroldis warming up.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:07 (two years ago)
This has the feel of a looming Arizona comeback unless Texas adds a run or two...which they won't do in the 8th now. They were really lucky to get out of that second inning. Seager hit the home run, and they haven't done anything since.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:16 (two years ago)
Seriously, get Chapman out of there after Carroll. I know Bochy has to manage the bullpen with an eye on Tuesday and Wednesday, but winning tonight gets you a game 6 at least, and that's more important.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:27 (two years ago)
ooh its gettin good now
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:28 (two years ago)
well must be nice to get all 3 outs in the span of like 45 seconds
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:30 (two years ago)
Jesus...an absolutely brilliant pitch for a strikeout, and then an incredible DP. Living on borrowed time, but Texas might hold on.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:31 (two years ago)
Okay finally got a work break. Dbacks come back let’s go!!!!!!
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:37 (two years ago)
Ooooh base touching controversy, love these
Tommy Pham is that man. Slapping Joc? Definite dick move, besides that event, I don’t really care about the morality of the bloke. He’s got that Madbum “I take everything deathly seriously” temperament, but it doesn’t annoy me as much on him (probably because he’s not a Gont)
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:40 (two years ago)
Giant*
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:41 (two years ago)
Nice story him giving the AB to the young buck last night
Gont
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:42 (two years ago)
Something I know won’t win me any friends in this thread: I like all these fellas in silly costumes sitting behind home plate this series. If you’re gonna spend the big buck, make the most of it and have some fun. Hope to see the banana boys again in game 6
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:43 (two years ago)
They Might Be Gonts.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:44 (two years ago)
Works for me
https://i.postimg.cc/B6P7sXsn/IMG-4117.png
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:44 (two years ago)
My welsh heritage speaking through the unconscious mind
― #1 García Fan (H.P), Tuesday, 31 October 2023 02:45 (two years ago)