World Series 2022 -- Houston Astros vs Philadelphia Phillies

I just don't think Dusty Baker is going to win it all at this point. I witness his breakdown in 2002 tho not sure there was anything else he could have done. In 2012 his Reds team had the Giants on the ropes and he didn't manage it well at all, as they only needed one more win and never got it. Giants got past those Reds and then the Cards and then they went on to sweep the Tigers.

I suffered through years of Bobby Cox, some managers just have a hurdle they can't get over (tbf, Bobby did get over once).

tbf i think a large part of being a good manager has less to do with particular bullpen deployments than keeping a bunch of millionaires happy and focused on playing hard. joe torre was . . . not a great bullpen manager (rip scott proctor's arm) but seemed to be pretty good at managing egos.

that said, managing in the playoffs -- especially now, when there are so many rounds -- is just a very different thing from managing a 162-game season. does andy reid now have a clock coach, just to keep him from doing stupid shit at the ends of halves? maybe dusty needs someone to point out to him that saving his 10-deep bullpen is less important, at this point in the season, than it would be in mid-may

Good points, I didn't think Bruce Bochy would be good in the playoffs but he always managed it so different from the 162. It was night and day, miss that guy but he even drove me crazy with his veterans deserve to play first mentality during the regular season. The front office in 2010 had to get rid of Molina before Botchy would play Posey in 2010 when he was called up.

nola’s good huh

Braves generally had an Achilles heel that the back of the bullpen was often subpar compared to the rest of the roster.

He's on tonight

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Not anymore

That was hilarious, that chart with Vázquez's last 10 pitches--every one a four-seam fastball, all but one 93 m.p.h., the other one 92. Announcer: "...between 92 and 93 m.p.h."

Houston 6 outs away from a no hitter

Amazing if the Phils go from that 7-0 hr derby to getting no hit.

It’s like someone finally got the memo to throw the Phillies only fastballs instead of breaking balls, but it shouldn’t work *this* well

Jesus. Three outs to go

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1

No way

Fun

Best of three

only the 2nd in WS history? neat

Glad I saw most of it, but I just can't get excited about combined no-hitters. And I'm not at all saying they should have left Vázquez in--100 pitches, not even a question. It just doesn't mean anything to me.

I dunno. That was pretty crazy

If it goes 7, and Vázquez is rested (I know there's one day off in there), he's probably your starter.

blanking a team by committee that banged dingers a world series game prior is pretty impressive to me

how is it not impressive that a world series team got no hits (in its own ballpark no less)

god knows i don't want to tell you what exactly to be excited about, but . . . it's a rare feat. and you seem to be shitting on it for purely petulant reasons

Here we go again...I'm saying I personally don't find it that exciting unless it's accomplished by one pitcher. The Phillies hitting all those home runs last night was impressive, but one guy hitting four would be more exciting and more impressive. And if everyone was so enthralled by tonight's game, I didn't see many posts. I'm going to take a wild guess that one guy taking a no-hitter into the ninth might have generated a few more.

Clemenza is just dreading the MLB.com headline tomorrow that says “Ohtani becomes first two-way player to watch a no-hitter in the World Series”

Nice!

Don Larsen is part of baseball lore; will they be talking about the Javier/Montero/Pressly no-hitter in 2035, much less 2088? (I know, end of the world, etc.)

okay

i guess i just have no idea what about baseball even interests you, considering that no starters have thrown 400 innings in decades

why are you caring/watching at all?

Yes; caricature's the way to go.

Reggie hitting 3 HR in one game is possibly the greatest thing I've ever seen. Have teams combined for more than 3 HR in one WS game since then? Probably--who knows, and who cares.

You want me to agree with every last change in the game, with every bit of conventional wisdom as it exists in 2022, and if I don't, I'm Old Hoss Radbourn.

evidently you should just watch reggie on youtube, as nothing will ever measure up to it

jeez

nah I think Clem is right, no-hitters are a weird statistical anomaly and when they happen it's fun it's more fun for the player himself than the team. I mean you forever get to be the answer to some trivia question which is kinda the whole point of baseball. that said this was definitely cool to watch especially since non-combined no-hitters may not actually happen again

fwiw i don't want you to agree with every bit of conventional wisdom in 2022! but also i don't want you to be all like 'this particular circumstance, however rare, is inadequate'

you could have just been 'well, whatever' but instead you chose to challenge everyone else's idea of noteworthiness

as nothing will ever measure up to it

Right--it's not like I got caught up in Judge going for 62 or anything.

I think my first post after the game was exactly "well, whatever," and expressed very subjectively. I have no idea what you're talking about.

"Glad I saw most of it, but I just can't get excited about combined no-hitters. And I'm not at all saying they should have left Vázquez in--100 pitches, not even a question. It just doesn't mean anything to me."

Please explain to me how that post is challenging "everyone else's idea of noteworthiness."

idk why having an opinion like "no-hitter by one pitcher > no-hitter by pitching staff" is controversial.

anyway the astros won and dusty is a genius so this is all beside the point

until he starts mccullers in game seven

xp how many no-hitters, of any kind, have happened in the world series

why, upon one of the latter happening, would one immediately feel the need to denigrate it as 'uninteresting'

Do you understand the difference between expressing a personal opinion--"I just can't get excited," "It just doesn't mean anything to me"--and some blanket statement you seem to think I made and didn't about the game being "uninteresting"?

I mean, Jesus fuck, my first six words were "Glad I saw most of it..."

no hitters were already a team effort anyway

just ask pedro martinez who pitched 9 perfect innings and yet has not been credited for one

in this day of advanced metrics, # times through a lineup, reasonable bullpen management, etc. a combined no-hitter just doesn't have that shock to me. i think the narrative of the phillies belting 5 homers off a starting pitcher and then getting their asses handed to them the next game is a better story.

obviously because you were waiting for a marginal hit to be called an error (j/k)

mmm tell me more about 'that shock' and 'better stories'

fuckin shams-level shit

i sincerely like clemenza; i just think he's wrong

gtfo with that bacon-flavored pap

To me, this isn't all that complicated. CG no hitters are cool and awesome -- as we all know, it's happened only twice in the playoffs and once in the WS. Is a combined no hitter just as cool and awesome? Obviously not ... but it's still pretty great! Unlike three combined team HR's, a combined no-hitter in the WS is rare and historic! Is it as historic as Don Larsen's perfect game? No way -- but's it's still historic!

in a way it’s really christian vasquez’ no