The 2021-2022 Non-Fungible Hot Stove Thread (Presented by Monkeyjizz)

yeah this is a weird trade and I don't think it's gonna go down well with the fans. Padres are almost certainly making the playoffs as well so maybe that's what convinced Milwaukee they could get a disproportionate haul.

fwiw I like Milwaukee's strategy of always taking value where you can get it. selling out for a title run makes sense in the NFL and the NBA but in MLB I'd think you'd rather field a Top 8 team for 5 years than a Top 3 team for 2. if that makes sense

also Taylor's fWAR is actually double Hader's this year - 1.4 vs. 0.6. Hader is so good when he's on it's easy to forget that sometimes he just cannot find the strike zone unless he pipes them down the middle. obviously he's the better reliever but from a pure mathematical standpoint this is like a half a win downgrade at worst, so if the Brewers weren't gonna re-sign him (and why would they, given the boatload of money he's gonna make) I think this works out for them

i guess the nightmare scenario (for brewer fans) is that the brewers miss the playoffs by a game or two, and hader pitches extremely well for the padres in the playoffs and gets carried off the field on the padres' shoulders

Hader did blow a 3 run lead in the WC game to the eventual WS winner (Washington) so we kinda already lived the nightmare scenario

Hader had a 12 era in July btw

oh god, i had forgotten about that!

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he had 2 very bad games in July, including one I saw where he gave up 6 to the Giants. he's been alright since then. he also didn't give up any earned runs through June 5, which is pretty impressive!

anyway, weird deal!

well he did give up 6 runs in a single appearance vs. the Giants which is a near-impossible feat for a closer

it’s an odd trade, but devin williams can take over hader’s role nicely and hasn’t even hit arbitration yet

and hader’s probably at peak trade value, so

idk anything about the guys they got back, but it seems like maybe a canny move for a mid-market club that wants to compete every year rather than tank-cycle

milwaukee's the smallest market in MLB isn't it?

this does feel like a very rays-y trade

Rays would've traded him 2 years ago

yeah i understand the calculation on this one... they have a guy behind hader who might actually be better than him, and if rogers just randomly pitches better than he has at points this year (not uncommon w/ relievers) their pen might not take that much of a hit. it's fair to say that most competing teams try and stack 3-4 lights out relievers for the playoffs compared to the brewers trading from their arsenal but chances are it more or less all comes out in the wash. also the brewers have a strong trio of frontline starters for the playoffs and have a guy like aaron ashby who has moved between the pen and the rotation during the season but will be used as a high leverage reliever in the playoffs. i can see why they looked at their pitching and thought they'd be ok

i don't think they're set to straight-up lose anyone the way they did last year with trevor story and jon gray, but i wonder if the rockies are going to do anything besides extend daniel bard (which is nice tbh! but also not something any other team would have done in their position)

Yanks got Montas and Trivino

And Manchini to the Astros!

brett phillips dfa’d ;_;

two days after his jersey night

mancini is gonna be so good for the astros smh

Our Beloved Willians was also dfa’d (again) over the weekend

wow, Austin Riley gets 10-yr extension

Riley and the Braves agreed to a 10-year, $212 million extension on Monday. The deal includes a $20 million option for 2033, when the third baseman will be 36 years old.

This deal buys out three arbitration years for Riley, who will make $15 million in 2023, $21 million in 2024 and $22 million per season over the remainder of the deal.

probably could've ultimately gotten more, but hey locking in $200m before something goes wrong is Nice

Mets are effectively picking up Jacob Degrom right at the trade deadline

soto and josh bell to the padres. no word on the return, yet

wow did not think it would actually happen

Can’t imagine the return will be worth it though

So far:

Padres get Soto and Bell

Nats get Eric Hosmer, Mackenzie Gore, C.J. Abrams, Robert Hassell III, Jarlin Susana, and James Wood.

Hosmer has a 10 team no-trade clause that includes the Nats though.

not a bad haul!

Soto and Tatis Jr. on the same team? That's amazing. Has there ever been two 23-year-olds of that caliber on the same team?

Soto, Tatis, Machado, Bell...awesome.

hosmer has a no-trade clause in his contract and washington is on the list. i'm sure it'll just lead to him getting paid more but it would be hilarious if he ruined the whole deal by refusing.

oh i see michael mentioned that

Saw that too...Trying to think of Hosmer showing up for work the next day if he killed the deal.

Kind of feels akin to when the Mets traded Tom Seaver in the late ‘70s. That one still hurts.

Does seem like Hosmer is resisting and so the Padres will probably have to give up someone else.

looks like hosmer vetoed the trade hahaha

they will prob wind up adding a third team to take him, i presume?

Apparently Hosmer has now been traded to Boston, so while he escaped Washington he isn’t able to stay in SD.

Boston way better place to land than Wash, even if it is humiliating how you got there.

Looks like Luke Voit is going to Washington instead of Hosmer now. Rough twist of fate for him.

a) Everybody wants Eric Hosmer.
b) Nobody wants Eric Hosmer.

i don’t understand these red sox moves

No one can say the padres aren’t all the way in, especially with the dodgers in their way.

sox need a 1b who can hit

the other stuff is bewildering

syndergaard to philly for lol mickey moniak

harrison bader goes to the yankees for jordan montgomery

toronto has acquired the unvaccinated whit merrifield

and it appears that the rockies made zero trades between the ASG and deadline

angels are approaching rockies territory at this point in that i have no idea what they're doing and it's getting sad in a different kind of way than it has been

when a 38yo middle reliever like jesse chavez is available, you have to find a way

i just learned that chavez is the most traded player, ever. 9 trades in 15 seasons!