What, so you can once again have the thrill of hearing analysis say "weird, I thought that guy would go at 10-12, must have something to do with underslot issues"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 16 August 2021 23:59 (two years ago) link
As Matt Harvey turns back into Matt Harvey.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 17 August 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
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they took adley at 1, i have faith they'd do it again if there's an undeniable player there, and by all accounts there will be
― ✖, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 01:30 (two years ago) link
adley is a college guy and now 23 years old; when they drafted him in 2019 *lots* of ppl were all like 'he could play for the big league team right now'. he didn't really hit like it that summer, okay.
so now he's spent 2020 at the alternate site. and he's put up a .400 OPB in the minors this year. and admittedly pedro severino is eminently serviceable and practically a star in this lineup.
but the team is terrible and adley -- tHe ToP pRoSpEcT iN bAsEbAlL -- is learning *nothing* in the minors while the o's stall his clock. maybe he'll get there next april 16th when he's 24 i guess.
with a different, less shitty team he'd have been in the majors a year ago, and there's no reason we shouldn't all want that.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 03:08 (two years ago) link
rodriguez is only 21 but he's fanning like 15 per nine innings now in double-a. can he possibly be worse than the shit they regularly roll out? do we not want to see the best available players playing in the majors?
also sucks for cedric that he's not even eligible for arbitration until after *next* year -- he'll probably get a $10K raise to $600K after putting up 5 WAR this season. (and if he were eligible for arbitration *this* winter you know goddamn well he'd have been traded at the deadline)
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 03:16 (two years ago) link
anyway sorry -- the o's are just the most egregious current example of how fucked up the entire system is. the pirates/marlins/etc are little better if perhaps less blatant.
i really hope it all burns down this winter!
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 August 2021 03:21 (two years ago) link
Seriously, fuck this
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 August 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
Why Not? '22
― ✖, Thursday, 19 August 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
two homers off ohtani in the first!!!1!
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
won a game
― ✖, Thursday, 26 August 2021 02:34 (two years ago) link
what a moment
― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 August 2021 03:09 (two years ago) link
break em up
― mookieproof, Thursday, 26 August 2021 23:27 (two years ago) link
love this team again now
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 26 August 2021 23:39 (two years ago) link
as cedric mullins goes, so go the orioles...but keegan akin w/ the out of the blue gem. what? 71 gamescore!
― j.q higgins, Friday, 27 August 2021 14:31 (two years ago) link
lol wasn’t he like 0-9 with an 8 ERA or something
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 27 August 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link
Keegan Akin's last three starts: 17 IP, 5ER, 10H, 8BB, 14K, lift your head and breathe the fresh replacement-level air
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 September 2021 02:35 (two years ago) link
aww
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 September 2021 02:45 (two years ago) link
with two w's for Keegans two wins (so far!)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 3 September 2021 02:43 (two years ago) link
...and a happy john means to all who celebrate
― j.q higgins, Saturday, 4 September 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link
big series win in da bronx
― mookieproof, Sunday, 5 September 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link
Keegan Akin Can't Lose
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 5 September 2021 22:34 (two years ago) link
akin to be
― j.q higgins, Monday, 6 September 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
you gotta hand it to hanser alberto
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link
but then hanser is compelled to hand it back to cedric mullins
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
"zac lowther with a great outing lowers his season ERA to 6.91" is a thing Orioles fans say
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 6 September 2021 19:08 (two years ago) link
Manny Barreda gets his moment
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 September 2021 04:52 (two years ago) link
what a day
― ✖, Sunday, 12 September 2021 02:40 (two years ago) link
― ✖, Sunday, 12 September 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link
"zac lowther with a rough outing sees his season ERA tick back up to 9.92" is a thing Orioles fans say
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 12 September 2021 20:52 (two years ago) link
Ugh. A game we should have won. Bullpen troubles.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 02:54 (two years ago) link
seems crazy that cedric mullins is the first o ever to have a 30-30 season. maybe don baylor got closest?
― j.q higgins, Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:34 (two years ago) link
It was pitching defense and the 3 run homer not pitching defense and the 30 stolen bases
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:40 (two years ago) link
fucking fleas.
― j.q higgins, Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link
In a fitting homage to classic Orioles baseball Mullins did indeed reach 30-30 with a 3-run homer
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:56 (two years ago) link
maybe don baylor got closest?
Thanks to Play Index I can tell you that the closest is Reggie Jackson in 1976, 27 HR and 28 SB. Baylor is the only other guy to get to 25/25. We are not counting Ken Williams, a 30-30 man for the 1922 St. Louis Browns.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 25 September 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link
most steals he ever had in a season...crazy how many bases that team stole for a weaver team. can't imagine ever sending belanger for how infrequently he got on base.
― j.q higgins, Saturday, 25 September 2021 01:03 (two years ago) link
Thinking next year's thread title should be something along the lines of "Mullin it over: J.Q. and Eephus discuss whether or not the 2022 Orioles will be any good"
― Michael F Gill, Saturday, 25 September 2021 02:13 (two years ago) link
Like I don't even exist
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link
lol
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 September 2021 04:01 (two years ago) link
This is important context: The first time that a Baltimore season ticket holder renews for next season, that person will have committed more dollars to the 2022 Orioles than the club will have in payroll obligations. https://t.co/CvSX9kis1i— Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) September 24, 2021
― mookieproof, Saturday, 25 September 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link
if only chris davis didn't retire
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 04:54 (two years ago) link
The quote tweets on that tweet are kind of insane. I'm an Orioles fan, and I will stay an Orioles fan through it all, but I cannot grasp the level of stannage required to spend your day bashing Buster Olney for stating the obvious fact that the Orioles are not trying to put a major league baseball team on the field. Like, it's a rebuild, I get it, but how can you be so in the tank that you insist THIS is the exact rebuild you want? Have these people not noticed that the 2017-21 Astros are not the only good team in the league, and all the other good teams didn't tank like this?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
this isn't the exact rebuild i want... that one would involve us having a presence in latin america before like yesterday... but i'm extremely happy with how it's going
i latched onto orioles baseball in 2005 and had to wait 7 years for a winning team, after 7 consecutive years of never fully committing to a rebuild. imagine if i'd latched on in 1998. i never wanna go back there again. can't handle it. absolutely give me one more #1 draft pick before we start to improve. and i think we will improve next year, faster than people think. i don't doubt that the team will spend money again like they did 5 years ago. part of me wants them to sign one of the big shortstops, like the padres signing machado before they were good, but i can understand the windows not really aligning. maybe it isn't worth it to sign carlos correa and potentially waste his age 28 and 29 seasons.
one thing i do wish we were doing is spending money to tank better. i think that's really all a salary floor will do. take costlier chances on players that can be spun at the deadline. take a chance on trying to fix a robbie ray instead of a matt harvey. take on bad contracts from other teams in exchange for their prospects. but no one really does that.
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
and barring us obtaining the smartest FO on the planet (TB), i don't think it's actually possible to compete in the AL East without tanking. not without preexisting latin american talent or a lot of money. congrats to the giants for overcoming the dodgers without tanking but can you really count on that happening reliably? they still had four consecutive seasons losing seasons before this one and might go right back to it next year.
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:41 (two years ago) link
not to mention we don't have the rockies or dbacks or second half padres to rip apart. us vs the world babey. adley will take us there
― ✖, Saturday, 25 September 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
i don't think it's actually possible to compete in the AL East without tanking. not without preexisting latin american talent or a lot of money.
What would you say the Rays are doing?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link
By the way I am an optimist too. I think the core of a good team DOES exist in the system now, if management is willing to spend around it. But I think we would have been in the same place with the rebuild if we'd been losing 90 games a year instead of 110 games a year, and it would have been less embarrassing. There is one guy, Rutschman, we truly got as a direct result of the ultra-tank, and that took one year of being horrible. Is the core of the next good team Heston Kjerstad and Colton Cowser? Or the guys we got in trade for our entire major league roster like Dillon Tate and Yusniel Diaz and Dean Kremer. Seems more like besides Rutschman it's John Means, Ryan Mountcastle, Cedric Mullins, Austin Hays, Grayson Rodriguez (drafted after 2017 when we were bad but not on purpose), maybe Keegan Akin if the second-half form is real... all guys we'd have even if we hadn't been running so much Pat Valaika and Richie Martin out there day after day after day.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 26 September 2021 01:02 (two years ago) link
that was the first thing i said. they're the smartest FO in baseball. i'd like to have them as an FO, but that's not possible right now. "preexisting latin american talent" also applies to them.
but also.... even though they didn't outright tank, they had 4 sub-.500 years in a row not that long ago. i get annoyed with the "they've figured out how to compete every year" meme. also while we're on the subject of embarrassment, i'd be embarrassed if the orioles traded away every great hypothetical player they develop before they hit arb2! i would hate that.
i also think you're not being fair to kjerstad, who might be great, or cowser, who has been fantastic so far. not to mention coby mayo, who is absolutely hitting top 100 lists next year and was only signed because of that fat #2 slot money saved on kjerstad. don't care about the manny trade busts, they were made by a miserable lame duck GM who was already pretty bad at trades. elias somehow got much better returns for dylan bundy and jose iglesias. i'm counting those.
― ✖, Sunday, 26 September 2021 01:47 (two years ago) link
I would not be in the slightest perturbed if the Orioles had 4 sub-.500 years in a row (I've been a fan since the '80s, how could I be?) What's on the field right now is clearly something different than that!
Kjerstad and Cowser of course could be great! Any top-5 pick COULD be. Most aren't. If I believed Elias was uniquely good at turning high picks into valuable major league players, it might be a different story. Then again, if the Orioles had put a better team on the field, maybe we would have picked 7th in 2020 instead of 2nd and you know what? By all accounts Kjerstad would still have been available!
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 26 September 2021 01:58 (two years ago) link
But the slot money wouldn't have been there to get Mayo and Baumler... I know everyone hates the underslot strategy but it really makes a lot of sense given the deranged slot value differences at the top of the first round. Pick 2 grants you way more cash to spend than pick 7 even if you don't spend it all on pick 2.
― ✖, Sunday, 26 September 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link