2020 awards thread

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James always had two versions of RC, the SB version and non-SB version, based on a different number of outs. Actually, there were three:

per 25.5 outs: the basic version
per 26.0 outs: SB/CS added
per 27.0 outs: sacrifices, HBP, everything else added

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:46 (five years ago)

if you hover your cursor over "oWAR" on anyone's bbref page it'll pop up a window that shows you everything that goes into it

βœ–, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:53 (five years ago)

also

although fried is 7-0 and hasn't allowed a homer(!)

welp!

βœ–, Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:54 (five years ago)

Are there any other cases of a reigning healthy MVP betting 7th for most of the season?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 03:28 (five years ago)

Pete Rose 1974?

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 September 2020 05:21 (five years ago)

lol, thanks auto-correct

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 05:30 (five years ago)

big game from bauer last night

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:00 (five years ago)

I honestly did not think he had another big season in him

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:05 (five years ago)

another comeback candidate: salvador perez

His 177 wRC+ would be the 2nd best by an #MLB catcher since 2000, trailing only Mike Napoli's 179 in 2011 with Texas.

He's done that in just 140 PAs, missed the first 10 days of Spring 2.0 due to Covid, spent 24 days on the IL due to an eye injury, and coming off TJ surgery.

— Nate Rowan (@njrowan) September 24, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:15 (five years ago)

Soto overtook Freeman in BA which makes him MLB leader in all three slashes.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:36 (five years ago)

still trails lemahieu. but yeah

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 15:57 (five years ago)

whoops, NL then

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:01 (five years ago)

we have the triple crown for AVG(so-so stat)/RBI(less useful stat)/HR(we all love dingers) – is there a term for AVG/OPB/SLG?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:39 (five years ago)

yep, slash triple crown

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:50 (five years ago)

isnt it common knowledge that Bauer has been throwing doctored pitches all year?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 September 2020 18:00 (five years ago)

All of Devin Williams's Swing/Miss or Called Strikes on his Changeup from this season (so far).

Pitching Porn.
πŸ‘‡https://t.co/kpi4F8TRud

— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) September 23, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 September 2020 19:53 (five years ago)

I wonder if there have been more slash triple crowns vs traditional.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:21 (five years ago)

I'd assume yes, just because RBIs are situational/luck-based whereas pure slash is not.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 24 September 2020 20:28 (five years ago)

xps those salvador stats probably came after his game last night, where he already had 2 HRs and 5 RBI off of Carlos Martinez when i turned out around the 4th inning, before Martinez came out of the game with an injury.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 September 2020 22:15 (five years ago)

so yes, way more slash triple crown winners. 47 of them vs 18 regular. the first person to win it: Piano Legs Gore.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 25 September 2020 13:37 (five years ago)

I doubt it will happen, but if Bauer were to win the Cy Young, it would be the first time that award was won by a Reds pitcher. I'd figure Bucky Walters might have won that award if they had it back in the late 30s, as he won an MVP and the pitching triple crown.

The Padres have had four different winners.

Kind of a fluky thing when you think about it.

earlnash, Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:36 (five years ago)

Well now I’m trying to guess who the four Padres are.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:46 (five years ago)

trevor hoffman, andy benes and tony gwynn iirc

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 01:39 (five years ago)

where have you gone, Randy Jones

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:03 (five years ago)

surely one for Trevor Hoffman

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:05 (five years ago)

wrong on Hoffman but I correctly remembered the late-career HOFer who won one with SD (first of two seasons there)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:12 (five years ago)

Phil Niekro should've won that year, only time he led the league's pitchers in WAR*

*Awards blow

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:19 (five years ago)

it's okay -- the mets have a no-hitter and the padres don't

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 02:39 (five years ago)

i also guessed hoffman, benes, and gwynn.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:37 (five years ago)

Mario Soto or Jose Rijo possibly should have won a CY--they had some great years, though I'd have to check how the timing went.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:12 (five years ago)

Probably behind a paywall, but Jayson Stark's picks:

http://theathletic.com/2090616/2020/09/25/stark-handing-out-my-2020-awards-from-cy-young-to-cy-yuk-mvp-to-lvp/

(Abreu and Freeman, Bieber and Bauer.)

I read that awful underrated/overrated book of his, so not particularly a fan.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:20 (five years ago)

Rijo led Maddux p comfortably in WAR in '93.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:47 (five years ago)

Yeah, I looked it up...There was a good argument to be made for Soto in '82 or '83, but it wasn't clear-cut either year (he slightly trailed Rogers in '82 and Denny in '83 in bWAR; Denny won, Rogers finished second).

clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:04 (five years ago)

on the other side of that, fWAR puts soto 8th for '83, behind:


Steve Carlton 7.4
John Denny 5.8
Rick Rhoden 5.0
Steve Rogers 4.9
Jerry Reuss 4.8
Atlee Hammaker 4.6
John Candelaria 4.5
Mario Soto 4.5
Larry McWilliams 4.3
Fernando Valenzuela 4.2

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:18 (five years ago)

poor steve carlton

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:19 (five years ago)

Poor Atlee Hammaker! (Seven earned runs in 0.2 innings at that year's AS Game.)

clemenza, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:23 (five years ago)

truly, poor atlee hammaker. i have to admit that i didn't even recognize his name!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:27 (five years ago)

look at all those pirates

in the last 25 years, exactly two pirate pitchers have topped larry mcwilliams' 4.3 fWAR in a season -- gerrit cole in 2015 (5.1) and oliver perez in 2004 (4.5)

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:05 (five years ago)

well, i think degrom is now out of the NL cy equation : /

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 September 2020 21:12 (five years ago)

Jake Peavy! I'm also guessing Gaylord Perry, which is probably a longshot because he played for so many teams.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:25 (five years ago)

Yup. Those are the easy ones.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:25 (five years ago)

I see now that I'm a day late on this trivia question and they everyone has looked up the answer by now ... carry on.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:27 (five years ago)

I assume Brandon Lowe will be Top 5 in AL MVP?

clemenza, Sunday, 27 September 2020 21:39 (five years ago)

Using the ILB fantasy league categories as guidelines:

NL MVP: Freeman
AL MVP: JRamirez
NL CY: Darvish
AL CY: Bieber
NL ROY: Dustin May
AL ROY: Kyle Lewis (barely edging Luis Robert & Cristian Javier)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 28 September 2020 21:37 (five years ago)

Name them after Frank Robinson, the only player to win in both leagues. https://t.co/Nwa9syw0wJ

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 2, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 October 2020 22:55 (five years ago)

The awards will be nameless in 2020.

honestly, this is the first time i learned they had a name!

idkwtf (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 October 2020 22:57 (five years ago)

i didnt know til this year. Mike Schmidt got some ink for pushing for the change.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 October 2020 00:00 (five years ago)

two weeks pass...

Another well deserved award for @ncboomstick23!

Nelson Cruz has been named the 2020 Marvin Miller Man of the Year, an award voted on by his peers as the player they "most respect based on his leadership on the field and in the community." Congrats Nellie! #MNTwins pic.twitter.com/WALetzuOyK

— Minnesota Twins (@Twins) October 22, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 22 October 2020 18:09 (five years ago)

I don't think you can say for sure whether Cruz will be mostly remembered for the eight home runs or the play in game 6 until some time passes.
― clemenza, Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:07 PM

Seeing as nobody's blaming him *now* for blowing the game, it's safe to say that he won't be remembered for it...Let's agree to revive the thread in five years and discuss it then.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, October 29, 2011 2:48 PM (Two different posts joined together)

We have a date. Between two days of perspective and five years, I'll go for the five years.
― clemenza, Saturday, October 29, 2011 5:12 PM

Nine years later: NoTime was right, I was wrong.

clemenza, Friday, 23 October 2020 00:18 (five years ago)

Funny how you revived this the day before a more memorable all-time defensive screw up in the WS.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 25 October 2020 06:45 (five years ago)

1.4 fWAR (2nd in MLB RPs to Devin Williams)

Williams takes NL ROY

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 01:05 (five years ago)

Lewis unanimous in the AL.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:34 (five years ago)

god bless devin williams but ffs he threw 27 innings

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:39 (five years ago)

Did he ever.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:46 (five years ago)

yeah it was the one bright spot of our season come on

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:48 (five years ago)

he was the one bright spot of 5% of your season

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:55 (five years ago)

yeah that's right

frogbs, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 04:59 (five years ago)

AL MVP: Abreu!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:09 (five years ago)

Anyone predict that? Clemenza? Morbs?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 November 2020 00:09 (five years ago)

Seems like a pretty good vote. Freeman surprised me--I thought it'd be Betts or Tatis.

clemenza, Friday, 13 November 2020 14:15 (five years ago)

One man’s mistake is another man’s claim to an NL MVP vote. Thanks Rick! Honored by the vote. πŸ˜‚ https://t.co/wsqJpbHpcN

— Ryan Tepera (@RTepera) November 13, 2020

mookieproof, Friday, 13 November 2020 16:48 (five years ago)

two weeks pass...

SK Wyverns 1B Jamie Romak wins the 2020 Tip O'Neill Award, given annually to a Canadian baseball player who is "judged to have excelled in individual achievement and team contribution while adhering to the highest ideals of the game of baseball."

first non-MLB player since 1991

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 December 2020 16:02 (five years ago)

a 35 year old dude playing in the KBO, who hit 32 home runs and a .946 OPS. kind of a neat choice!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 December 2020 21:44 (five years ago)


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