Our man Dayton Moore!(?):
In a conference call with local media members today, Royals GM Dayton Moore said this about the club's decision to stand by their minor league players: pic.twitter.com/8ZfWWx95Jh— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) May 29, 2020
― Andy K, Saturday, 30 May 2020 00:08 (four years ago) link
twins did too <3
― mookieproof, Saturday, 30 May 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
Sources say there is a group of owners perfectly willing to shut down the season, to slash payroll costs and reduce losses, and the disparate views among the 30 teams have been reflected in the decisions to fire and furlough. The Pirates' Bob Nutting used the shutdown as an avenue to suspend team contributions to employee 401K plans -- savings best measured monthly in the tens of thousands of dollars rather than the millions that would actually be difference-making for a franchise probably worth at least $1 billion. The Oakland Athletics' John Fisher decided to eliminate the $400 weekly salaries of minor leaguers, which might save the franchise about the amount of the team's unpaid stadium rental bill.
also the nationals cut 30 minor leaguers and will reduce the others' weekly pay to $300 a week, which is maybe even more stunning than stopping altogether. the lerner family is worth $5.5 billion.
these people will burn it all down rather than see year-over-year profit fall
― mookieproof, Monday, 1 June 2020 02:03 (four years ago) link
entirely predictable behaviour from these jackals but still somehow i’m shocked
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 07:04 (four years ago) link
Wow, I actually didn’t know minor leaguers made that little. And that’s pre-tax I assume.
― Virginia Plain, Monday, 1 June 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
lol good job
Public pressure applied by the Nationals’ major league players forced the organization to do what it should’ve done without hesitation in the first place. https://t.co/oehdHWpCIQ— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 1, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 1 June 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link
haha so the owners' response is 'we will only pay you for 50 games pro rated; if you want to play more games for free then fine'
guess we'll see how many pitchers want to put their elbows on the line for nine starts during a pandemic
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
Putting aside specifics--I'm quite sure, as always, the owners are being ridiculous--it's unbelievably tone-deaf that they're squabbling over money. As indicated by a sampling of the posts here, most of us could care less whether they resume or not. If they really do want to have a season, every last bit of their energy should go into selling fans something they're not the least bit interested in.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 04:11 (four years ago) link
(Ha, one of my pet annoying phrases--I meant to say couldn't care less.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 04:13 (four years ago) link
i get the feeling this all has as much to do with the next CBA than the current season. both sides are puffing their chests out. you don't want to be the side that compromises right before the most contentious bargaining in decades.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 3 June 2020 06:48 (four years ago) link
chris archer out for the 'season'
cannot imagine that the pirates will pick up his $11m option for 2021, so
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
welp, that deal didn't work out very well
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 3 June 2020 16:19 (four years ago) link
Baseball is fxxked. The minor league story is the one that is not really registering as much it should. It's basically going to cause possibly upwards of 40% of all minor league teams to fold with MLB abandoning the clubs.
I do not think any of this bodes well for the national game.
― earlnash, Friday, 5 June 2020 04:04 (four years ago) link
A problem with describing MLB's labor dispute as a fight between billionaires and millionaires is that the majority of players have netted less than $1 million in ML earnings https://t.co/vxqzpnsrQ1— Travis Sawchik (@Travis_Sawchik) June 5, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 5 June 2020 15:28 (four years ago) link
Former pitcher Rob Scahill played for the Rockies, Pirates, Brewers and White Sox over parts of seven seasons in the majors. He accrued two years and 162 days of service time and made $1.31 million in major league pay.3 He said the $110,000 signing bonus he received as an eighth-round pick in 2009 was eroded by the “huge negative cash-flow” of living on minor league wages. He didn’t sign his first major league contract until 20134 — a one-year deal for $490,000 — but he split his time that year between the Rockies and their Triple-A club, so he earned $203,497 from the big league club.Scahill’s last game pitched was in 2018 as a 31 year old; after his final attempt to make a team, he entered real estate. “Your average major league player needs a job after baseball,” he told FiveThirtyEight.Scahill said if a player is savvy, he could save 25 percent of what he earns after taxes. If a player has $1.31 million in major league earnings,5 like Scahill, and is able to save a quarter of take-home pay after taxes and union fees, he would leave his career with $156,200 in cash savings from his major league salary. If such a player instead saved about 8 percent, the average U.S. savings rate before the coronavirus pandemic, he would finish his career with just $50,000 in the bank from his baseball career.“Most grind out on a split career between Triple-A and the majors unless you’re a contract guy,” Scahill wrote via text. “For the vast majority of players, every dollar counts for the rest of their lives.”
Scahill’s last game pitched was in 2018 as a 31 year old; after his final attempt to make a team, he entered real estate. “Your average major league player needs a job after baseball,” he told FiveThirtyEight.
Scahill said if a player is savvy, he could save 25 percent of what he earns after taxes. If a player has $1.31 million in major league earnings,5 like Scahill, and is able to save a quarter of take-home pay after taxes and union fees, he would leave his career with $156,200 in cash savings from his major league salary. If such a player instead saved about 8 percent, the average U.S. savings rate before the coronavirus pandemic, he would finish his career with just $50,000 in the bank from his baseball career.
“Most grind out on a split career between Triple-A and the majors unless you’re a contract guy,” Scahill wrote via text. “For the vast majority of players, every dollar counts for the rest of their lives.”
― mookieproof, Friday, 5 June 2020 15:32 (four years ago) link
I imagine the basketball and hockey re-launches have MLB scurrying around frantically right now.
― clemenza, Friday, 5 June 2020 23:38 (four years ago) link
"Impending" I should have added.
Scahill said if a player is savvy, he could save 25 percent of what he earns after taxes. If a player has $1.31 million in major league earnings,5 like Scahill, and is able to save a quarter of take-home pay after taxes and union fees, he would leave his career with $156,200 in cash savings from his major league salary.
I'm as sympathetic to the players as can be, but I'm not crazy about the argument that "this guy isn't rich! He's 31 and he's only taken home $600,000 after taxes!" It feels like those NY Times "We make $200,000 a year but we're not rich, look at all we have to spend on vacations and private schools and houses."
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 5 June 2020 23:53 (four years ago) link
Never underestimate the arrogance of immeasurable wealth.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 June 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mlb-owners-latest-offer-even-worse-than-the-last-one
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 June 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, June 5, 2020 6:53 PM (three days ago) bookmarkflaglink
great job multiplying the number in the original quote by four to make your point - $600,000 is a lot more money than $156,200. also, 31 years old could easily be the endpoint of most of these guys' baseball career (as with scahill), so they get paid more per year than the average office worker but for a much shorter period of time, after which they aren't exactly equipped to go into another industry where they make six figures a year.
― na (NA), Monday, 8 June 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
just rooting for the union to do a work stoppage at this point, assuming MLB will try to force a 48-game season. as much as it breaks my heart to miss a full season of trout and a million other guys. this is the only sport with a strong union and i want them to win.
MLB is now floating 16 playoff teams to go along with the 48 game regular season. it's like having a world series after spring training.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, 8 June 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
Besides the $$, MLB's proposal includes a revision to the Operations Manual that says players would have to sign an "acknowledgment of risk" before playing. Players believe it is designed to undermine their right to challenge MLB if it fails to provide a safe working environment.— Jorge Castillo (@jorgecastillo) June 8, 2020
― mookieproof, Monday, 8 June 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
like it’s a fuckin trampoline park
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 June 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
Cardinals owner Bill DeWitt Jr.: “The industry isn’t very profitable, to be quite honest” https://t.co/blz102BSsW— HardballTalk (@HardballTalk) June 9, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
lol
good one from a guy whose nickname here is Bill DeWallet
― our god is a might god (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link
great job multiplying the number in the original quote by four to make your point - $600,000 is a lot more money than $156,200
$600,000 is his estimate of his total take home pay, 156,200 is his estimate of "if I saved a quarter of my salary throughout my career."
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
The league appears ready to piss off players, fans, put on a sham 50-game season, and further ensure a brutal, bitter fight over the CBA the winter after next because owners say they can't endure the financial hardship if players are paid a 50% prorated salary for more games.— Lindsey Adler (@lindseyadler) June 10, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 02:07 (four years ago) link
MLB goes galt
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 10 June 2020 03:00 (four years ago) link
owners have no reason to offer more than they would spend under the 50 day pro rated plan right? 50 games with full playoffs is the dream scenario for them and they've had the option to do that all along. they just needed to drag things out long enough that 50 games made sense. so this is all just a farce. i hope the inevitable strike lasts ten years.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link
As I understand it they have the option to force 50 games, but only with regular playoffs. If they want the expanded playoffs (which money goes mostly to them and not the players) then they need the players to agree to it.
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 05:44 (four years ago) link
galt trip
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 June 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
Olbermann was a guest on the KBO game this morning, showing off his pricey ball collection: Fisk, Merkle's boner, Reggie '77. Marginally less obnoxious than his pundit mode.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 June 2020 14:09 (four years ago) link
#SFGiants fan reactions to Bumgarner being drafted: pic.twitter.com/RQFLTWnYuX— Ben Kaspick (@BenKaspick) June 11, 2020
― mookieproof, Thursday, 11 June 2020 19:24 (four years ago) link
i for one am shocked
MLB’s new offer to the MLBPA for a 72-game season is roughly equivalent to what players would receive in a 50-game season at full prorated pay, source says.— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) June 12, 2020
― mookieproof, Friday, 12 June 2020 19:49 (four years ago) link
'hey, uh..... look over there!'
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 12 June 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
my hope right now is that the 48 game schedule is forced and everyone in the union agrees to sit out for their health
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 12 June 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link
might just all be posturing in the dark
The University of Houston has suspended voluntary workouts for all student-athletes after six symptomatic student-athletes in various sports tested positive for the coronavirus as the Houston area has seen a recent surge of positive tests.
in any case it's really something that MLB wants the *players* to take on the risk of playoffs not happening due to plague
― mookieproof, Saturday, 13 June 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
lol can you imagine any american sport having these balls
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53056184
let's see if it goes beyond signalling but still, the signal's important
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 15 June 2020 23:46 (three years ago) link
zing
Agent Joel Wolfe on @MLB owners crying poverty:"The Marlins played without fans for 15 years, yet still managed to give a player the biggest contract in sports history (Stanton), and then sold the team for a Billion dollar profit, with 5 competing buyers."— Patrick Saunders (@psaundersdp) June 15, 2020
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link
They're all piling on. Here's Tom Boswell - working class hero!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/15/dont-let-mlb-owners-cry-poor-they-can-afford-do-whats-right-baseball/
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 09:35 (three years ago) link
this is all just a bad idea
https://www.amazinavenue.com/2020/6/16/21292849/mets-mlb-mlbpa-2020-season-negotiations-rob-manfred-tony-clark-baseball
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link
Manfred is so pathetic.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
buster olney continues to both-sides it, but it's been intriguing to see big names like boswell, rosenthal and apstein (at SI) just unload on ownership
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
Hearing that six owners that don't want a season. @Ken_Rosenthal reports 8 or more. Urgency for Manfred to corral his group before that number grows.— Andy Martino (@martinonyc) June 16, 2020
pirates, a's, mets, cubs(?) . . .
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
wonder what the repercussions are gonna be in 2022 when the CBA has to be negotiated again. this seems pretty bad.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
All the other sports leagues are paying their players in full, right? Korean Baseball, Japanese Baseball, German Soccer, English Soccer, the NBA, the NFL? Why can't MLB?
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
What even is the logic for the owners in not playing a season?! This is baffling to me
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 20:39 (three years ago) link
via gothamist of all places; links in original stub:
"The LA Times reported that the commissioner's office told the players' association that it would not honor the players’ demand to announce a schedule "unless the union waives legal claims against the league." And to top it off, MLB also informed the players union this week that several major league players and coaches have tested positive for COVID-19."
^duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
did the MLB spokesman then twirl his mustache and cackle??? fuck’s sake
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link