2019 Awards Thread

how do we justify Soroka over Strasburg and Max?

MLB jocks

they aint too smaaaaaht

giolito and soroka seem like 'good narrative' picks, although they could also have gone with minor or lance lynn

I didn't know Tom Tango had a formula to predict Cy Young winners: (IP/2 - ER) + SO/10 + W. Couldn't be simpler. Even there, still a toss-up, but he does give Cole a slight edge.

Cole -- 99.8
Verlander -- 98.5

Do you mean subtract the walks?

I cut-and-paste that from Tango's site...you would think so, yeah.

Wait a minute: W = wins. As Tango says, he's trying to predict the winner, not determine who deserves the award, and by his estimation, wins still carry a little weight--about 10% of the total in his formula. Here's what led me to the formula:

http://www.billjamesonline.com/youll_ryu_the_day/

One of the things I like about the formula is that, although it doesn’t weigh wins as heavily as other formulas ( which certainly reflects the trend in voter preferences), it doesn’t entirely dismiss them either. It recognizes that wins still carry some weight with some of the voters, and can help sway some votes if pitchers are close in other regards. I think that’s reasonable – clearly wins don’t mean as much as they used to in winning the Cy Young Award, but they do still mean something. deGrom was able to win the award in 2018 despite a modest win total because his ERA was light years better than everyone else’s, but if it was closer, you can bet that his lack of wins would likely have become a bigger factor.

i'm sure noted hockey fan tom tango is just having fun with stats but we could also . . . just wait for the results

On Monday, MLB announced the six candidates for AL and NL Comeback Player of the Year. The list includes Lucas Giolito, Hunter Pence and Jorge Soler in the AL and Josh Donaldson, Sonny Gray and Hyun-Jin Ryu in the NL.

i'll take giolito and gray

don't you have to have arrived in order to come back? i'd disqualify giolito and soler on those grounds, so it would be pence in the AL.

Pence's story has some teeth, finally coming home after all these years and having an incredible first half. He sort of checked out in the 2nd half but made a big enough dent for the BBWAA to recognize.

Players selected Rafael Devers, Alex Bregman and Mike Trout as finalists in the American League and Christian Yelich, Cody Bellinger and Anthony Rendon in the National League in voting for Outstanding Player honors in the 2019 Players Choice Awards.

— Brian McTaggart (@brianmctaggart) October 17, 2019

Pretty much 6/6 if pitchers are excluded...I suppose there might be another choice as valid as Devers.

Marcus Semien

Forgot about him--a better choice.

mike trout and christian yelich have won the 2019 hank aaron awards as Most Outstanding Offensive Performer in their leagues

carlos carrasco = roberto clemente award

racist josh header, abuser aroldis chapman named relievers of the year

Is he still a racist ?

is he still an abuser ?

It was funny to see these two get honoured during the WS, seeing as both Washington and Houston reached the WS because of their respective screw-ups.

Xp I don’t know, I live with the certainly naive hope that people can grow out of racist ideology. Abuse I don’t see it the same way.

fielding bible awards: http://fieldingbible.com/complete-votetally.asp

What’s with Joe voting Cain the 7th best CF? Come on, Joe

James: "74% of you think that Trout SHOULD win the MVP, 53% think that he will. FWIW, I'd probably vote for Semien. I think that the argument that Trout should win because he is the best player in baseball is a legitimate argument, but that there are other approaches which are also valid."

Bregman, Trout, and Semien are only separated by 0.3 in bWAR, but that's still an odd choice that could use some explanation.

depends on one's assessment of their defensive values, it would seem

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIyG74rVAAE2Usa?format=png&name=small

the astros were an average defensive team, weird

Cy Young winners through the prism of analytics:

http://www.billjamesonline.com/back_to_the_future_part_4/

When I was new here, I had an epic argument with SF Alex over the '73 AL Cy Young (short version: I said there was at least a case for Palmer, Alex said open-and-shut for Blyleven). Daniel Marks says neither.

Actually, through the prism of Tom Tango's CY formula.

ALONSO

robbed of unanimity

https://www.amazinavenue.com/2019/11/11/20959532/mets-news-pete-alonso-wins-rookie-of-the-year-award-new-york-mlb

Both MOY votes were really close, for the first time in many years (I think)? Four or five managers in each league had legit cases for winning too.

DeGrom wins the NL Cy Young, 29 out of 30 first place votes.

Ryu gets the other

Verlander wins in the AL, 17 first place to Cole's 13.

Cole wuz robbed!

Cole and Verlander had all the first place and all the second place votes. I'm assuming it's the first time that's happened.

Don't know if they got it right, but I thought Verlander-Cole was every bit as close as it should have been. (And the NL vote was every bit as not-close as it should have been.)

Cole and Verlander had all the first place and all the second place votes. I'm assuming it's the first time that's happened.

i don't know of a counter-example off-hand, but that seems like it has to have happened before. pretty much anytime 2 pitchers stand head and shoulders above the rest of the league, right?

i feel like it would have happened w/Johnson and Schilling, maybe, but i only found the 2002 results thus far and Johnson was unanimous #1 and Schilling won almost all the second place votes but several guys threw votes to Smoltz and Gagne (lol), they were so dominant mowing down a couple of batters twice a week or so that year.

Cole and Verlander had all the first place and all the second place votes

see also trout and bregman

I figured NTBT was talking about teammates

oic

Good laugh at the 6 writers who gave LeMahieu the third place over Semien.

Actually I wasn't talking about teammates. But considering it happened again the very next day, maybe it isn't so rare?

Usually there's one near consensus pick or a few really good candidates and a highly split vote, no? I thought that two consensus candidates would be extremely rare.

maybe with the "numbers revolution" blah blah blah voters are becoming "more informed" (or something) thus there being less variance in their choices