Right--Buckner's error let in the winning run in a game that had already become a nightmare. The sequence before the error--singles by Carter, Mitchell, and Knight, then the wild pitch--was the real catastrophe (something I thought at the time).
― clemenza, Monday, 27 May 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link
I watched that ending happen and it was craziest end to any playoff sporting event to that point I had ever seen.* One thing that would be interesting to see is the odds of winning the game and how it changed play by play. That type of graph is pretty easy to find these days, but I have never seen it for that game.
Less talked about than the Cubs/Marlins game, I think the Rangers collapse against the Cardinals being down to the last strike lord knows how many times to win the series in 2011 was pretty awful. It doesn't have that iconic play, but it was just as big a a belly flop failure.
*I'd say for mid-80s, Flutie's BC hail mary against Miami and NC State's tip in against Phi Slamma Jamma were pretty unexpected too. I seem to remember the Dwight Clark catch being a bigger deal after the Sports Illustrated magazine came out with that amazing picture than when it happened in some ways. I do kinda remember Reggie's 3HR game in the World Series, but was too young for Fisk's HR.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:18 (five years ago) link
if you scroll down a bit, you can find a win expectancy graph for the game here: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN198610250.shtml
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:23 (five years ago) link
It doesn't have that iconic play
a lot of cardinals fans would point to the david freese walk-off HR
― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:24 (five years ago) link
https://sp.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/editorial_image/f1/f1a2ffa4922626ec6aa3ecb26c5e14a3/cardinals_put_rally_squirrel_on_world_series_ring.jpg
― earlnash, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 01:17 (five years ago) link
Fully aware of Buckner's limitations, the strikeout contrasts to today really are amazing. From Posnanski:
In 1980, the year Buckner led the league in batting, he came to the plate 615 times. He struck out 18 of them.
Bryce Harper has struck out 19 times in the last two weeks.
Joey Gallo struck out 207 times in 2018.
Bill Buckner struck out 205 times in the 1970s. The whole decade.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 13:48 (five years ago) link
(I will preemptively add that no, I would not take Buckner over Harper--obviously.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 13:59 (five years ago) link
Bob Stanley and Calvin Schraldi should have thanked Buckner for years that most fans probably outside Boston forgot their part in the Red Sox collapse.
i never actually saw the BB misplay at first. as i have probably recounted here somewhere, i was already lying flat on my back, staring up at the ceiling, as a result of the hits and of schiraldi. for me, it was already all over. it was so obviously all slipping away. my dad had to come back to the bedroom and gently break it to me what had happened. it barely registered. i already knew, somehow.
― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 14:09 (five years ago) link
What I remember most, besides Mookie Wilson barely fouling off a few pitches before the grounder, is that with one out, I think, NBC announced that Boston's Marty Barrett was the World Series MVP.
Also when the Mets won, my dad and I didn't celebrate, but just stared at each other; we couldn't believe it.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 14:16 (five years ago) link
Marc Okkonen, uniforms expert
https://uni-watch.com/2019/05/29/marc-okkonen-1933-2019/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 June 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link
Frank Lucchesi
https://www.lonestarball.com/2019/6/9/18658598/frank-lucchesi-former-texas-rangers-manager-died-92
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:10 (four years ago) link
that book about the '70s Texas teams Seasons in Hell is a doozy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 June 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
Tyler Skaggs has passed away. We do not have details yet about how he passed, but tonight's game between the Angels and Rangers has been canceled.— Levi Weaver (@ThreeTwoEephus) July 1, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:01 (four years ago) link
what the fuck
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
awful
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 21:04 (four years ago) link
omg that's horrible
― mott the hoopleheads (voodoo chili), Monday, 1 July 2019 21:09 (four years ago) link
just shy of 28, pitched on Saturday
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 July 2019 21:10 (four years ago) link
good bio piece, RIP:
https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/this-mlb-pitcher-gets-it-from-his-mama/88403
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 July 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
Jay Jaffe remembers Jim Bouton, personally. (I was at those SABR panels mentioned, in 2006 and 2017.)
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pitcher-author-everyman-hero-jim-bouton-1939-2019/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 July 2019 19:04 (four years ago) link
Joe Grzenda, who threw the final pitch in Senators history (and kept the ball), dies at 82 https://t.co/2nvj9OfzV5— Post Sports (@PostSports) July 16, 2019
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 21:29 (four years ago) link
Pumpsie Green--never would have guessed he was still alive.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/obituaries/2019/07/17/pumpsie-green-black-player-red-sox-dies/s7L4dEAIq14aThFN7mnu0N/story.html
The obituaries emphasize that he was the first African-American on the Red Sox, but I think--I might be wrong--they were the last team in the majors to integrate.
― clemenza, Thursday, 18 July 2019 00:59 (four years ago) link
They were the final team to integrate (in 1959 -- the Globe article mentions this)
His appearance on the roster had followed picketing at Fenway Park. In spring training that year, Mr. Green hit .400 and was hailed by some reporters as the “camp rookie of the year.”
But to questions about whether Mr. Green would make the team, owner Tom Yawkey said: “The Red Sox will bring up a Negro when he meets our standards.”
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 18 July 2019 07:45 (four years ago) link
We are heartbroken to report the passing of Rob McQuown. Rob has been a pillar of Baseball Prospectus for a decade, and we are devastated by this news. We will pass along more information and appropriate tribute in due time. For now, please join us in grieving his loss.— Baseball Prospectus (@baseballpro) July 17, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 July 2019 10:46 (four years ago) link
7-foot-1 dutch reliever loek van mil, 34
― mookieproof, Monday, 29 July 2019 14:53 (four years ago) link
In the 2017 WBC, he faced Israel’s Nate Freiman (6'8") in what was believed to be the tallest batter-pitcher matchup in baseball history.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 July 2019 15:04 (four years ago) link
RIP to original Met, Al Jackson, who passed away earlier today. pic.twitter.com/nOdjJOxzLx— New York Mets (@Mets) August 19, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 19 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link
also returned in '68-69
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 August 2019 21:46 (four years ago) link
more to come
https://ktla.com/2019/08/30/angels-pitcher-tyler-skaggs-died-of-alcohol-fentanyl-and-oxycodone-intoxication-choked-on-his-vomit/
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:12 (four years ago) link
terrible
i wonder if he was seeing an unscrupulous doctor who overprescribed or if someone on the medical staff of the Angels is pushing oxy. it's an awful drug.
(i recently revived the oxycontin thread on ILE and it was...interesting...to see how willing at least one ILXor was to give advice on how to take it to get high...)
― omar little, Friday, 30 August 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
team connection is suspected
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 30 August 2019 20:20 (four years ago) link
Detroit Tigers statement regarding the passing of Chace Numata: pic.twitter.com/H6TCAQO1S8— Detroit Tigers (@tigers) September 2, 2019
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 September 2019 19:57 (four years ago) link
Skateboarding accident
― Andy K, Monday, 2 September 2019 21:06 (four years ago) link
Chris Duncan, a 2006 #STLCards World Series champion, has passed away at the age of 38. Our thoughts are with his friends and family. pic.twitter.com/CBWbvGsayc— FOX Sports Midwest (@FSMidwest) September 7, 2019
― Andy K, Saturday, 7 September 2019 00:36 (four years ago) link
Whoa, wtf?
― I am also Harl (Karl Malone), Saturday, 7 September 2019 05:55 (four years ago) link
Charlie Silvera, Berra backup and coach
https://www.sfchronicle.com/giants/article/Charlie-Silvera-San-Francisco-native-and-14426637.php
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 13:52 (four years ago) link
former syracuse chiefs president don waful, 103
he was captured by the germans in tunisia in 1942 and spent the next three years in POW camps -- much of it with davey johnson's dad fred at the oflag 64 camp in poland
― mookieproof, Thursday, 12 September 2019 21:24 (four years ago) link
Masaichi Kaneda, winningest Japanese pitcher
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2019/10/06/baseball/japanese-baseball/japans-time-wins-leader-masaichi-kaneda-dies-86/#.XaHSkkZKiWY
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 12 October 2019 13:29 (four years ago) link
shortstop jackie hernández, 79, who amassed -3.9 bWAR over nine seasons and had the assist on the final out of the 1971 world series
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 October 2019 14:52 (four years ago) link
umpire eric cooper, 52. did the yanks-twins series two weeks ago.
― mookieproof, Sunday, 20 October 2019 21:02 (four years ago) link
jeez; gather ye rosebuds.
'71 WS was the first i remember watching (most of). RIP Jackie.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:09 (four years ago) link
I watched the '71 Series intently and have zero recollection of Jackie Hernandez...I thought Gene Alley was the SS then.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:17 (four years ago) link
Alley played 882 innings at short that year, Jackie 574.
Alley had only 3 PA in the World Series, don't know if he was hurt.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:24 (four years ago) link
Can't find any clarification on that, but this would seem to be Hernandez's other biggest moment:
"A month before the World Series, Hernandez was part of another historic moment on Sept. 1 when Pirates manager Danny Murtaugh started a lineup consisting only of African-American and Latino players. The Pirates beat the Philadelphia Phillies, 10-7, that day at Three Rivers Stadium."
― clemenza, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:30 (four years ago) link
Hernandez was considered a top defensive SS, at least by Murtaugh and Clemente. He and Alley were the same age though.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/887d2ec2
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:33 (four years ago) link
former dodgers/expos/etc player and mariners announcer ron fairly, 81
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 18:49 (four years ago) link
def saw him play at Shea in the '70s
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:14 (four years ago) link
Flagship Jay, and I think the first Jays-Expos player.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:17 (four years ago) link
Think I misused "flagship"...original Jay (1977).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
'the only player to represent multiple non-US teams in the all-star game'
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 30 October 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
Vera Clemente, widow of No. 21
https://www.mlb.com/news/vera-clemente-passes-away
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2019 13:25 (four years ago) link