And Machado isn't A-Rod or anything. I mean neither of these guys have shown the exceptional consistency you'd want when giving a guy a monster deal (and i mean even prior consistency didn't work out with Pujols...)
― omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 01:35 (five years ago) link
idk what these guys have been offered or what they may have turned down, but machado (whom i personally dislike) is a 26yo shortstop who hits 35 homers a year and might have had three top-five MVP finishes in the last four seasons had he played 2018 in one league. he's not a-rod, but he's *extremely* good, and MLB revenue has gone from $4B to $10B a year since a-rod signed his deal. if you gave machado a ten-year deal right now, he'd be robinson cano's current age at the end of it, and cano put up 3 WAR in 80 games last year
flags don't fly for financial efficiency, and as a fan i'm not sure why anyone should be excited because the owner saved money -- unless they're using the saved money on other good players, which they simply aren't
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link
The 1/3 of clubs who are tanking aren't. But between their four free agent signings and the Paxton contract NYY spent $43 million this winter. You can certainly argue that with their revenue they shouldn't hesitate to go over the LT threshold...but so long as they choose to a Machado signing would seem to preclude acquiring those other players.
I just don't buy that there is anything remotely like collusion going on....advanced metrics have probably forever altered player valuation w/ greater weight given to roles like super-utility and middle relief. And why pay for the albatross years 8-9-10 on any contract considering the risk?
― Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 7 February 2019 03:06 (five years ago) link
ftr I’d sign Machado before Harper, he has been more consistent and certainly less prone to injury.
― omar little, Thursday, 7 February 2019 03:34 (five years ago) link
One thing about Machado is that a lot of his value is in his defense and the metrics seem pretty sure that he's an all-world 3b and a basically average shortstop. Machado has insisted that SS is his position and if he holds to that, I think he goes from being a perennial MVP contender to being more on the "consistently very good" side.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 February 2019 04:09 (five years ago) link
sounds like realmuto to philly is approaching. jorge alfaro/sixto sanchez/others in return
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
is that too much? feels like too much. by a bunch.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 February 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
i don't really think so?
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:04 (five years ago) link
two more years of control with JT?
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
realmuto is a clear step up from alfaro (and financially reasonable). sanchez might turn out to be good -- he's been solid in leagues he's way young for -- but he's also small by starter standards and simply hasn't pitched much due to injuries. supposedly the phillies are unhappy with his conditioning (?)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link
mets re-sign punxsutawney, pa native devin mesoraco to a minor league deal
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
ya, i'd misread the mlbtr story as the Marlins getting a whole pile of names back (they were just spitballing about who else could be involved). Alfaro/Sixto/throw-in is a solid deal for both, if that's what it winds up being.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (five years ago) link
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to texas on a minor league deal
― mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 20:43 (five years ago) link
noted weird guy brett lawrie to the brewers on a minor league deal!
― mookieproof, Saturday, 9 February 2019 19:38 (five years ago) link
Is it just me or are Nola and Severino's deals almost comically team friendly? I really don't get it from a player perspective -- why sign a "long term" with a far below market value AAV that also buys out just one free agent year? The money AND the security are low.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 17 February 2019 07:07 (five years ago) link
because the system is broken, and they've at least locked in being set for life
― mookieproof, Sunday, 17 February 2019 07:10 (five years ago) link
Signing for 1Y/$10M would also be enough to set a lot of people up for life. If their arms fall off tomorrow then it's a good deal for the players. But the next worst case is ... maybe hitting free agency and having to settle for far less than the $100M deal you hoped for, like Arrieta did? And in that time they'd make close to the same total salary that they're making now, realistically.
The system is broken all right -- way worse than I thought.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 17 February 2019 12:51 (five years ago) link
Mark Reynolds, who just signed with the #Rockies a few days before camp, told a free-agent tale today I’ve heard a lot. Got no offers for weeks. Then was playing golf a couple of weeks ago, got a call from his agent and had 4 teams offering minor league deals on the same day.— Jayson Stark (@jaysonst) February 17, 2019
― mookieproof, Sunday, 17 February 2019 21:28 (five years ago) link
Owners would be that dumb to leave all the traces necessary for the existence collusion to be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 18 February 2019 02:15 (five years ago) link
it seems pretty farfetched that teams would bother colluding on minor league deals for mark reynolds. but it's also strange
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 February 2019 03:10 (five years ago) link
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26019145/third-baseman-mike-moustakas-returning-brewers
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 February 2019 17:32 (five years ago) link
I forgot that Moustakas rejected the $17.4M qualifying offer two offseasons ago. Now he'll make less than $17M combined in 2018-2019.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 18 February 2019 18:24 (five years ago) link
Last offseason, rather.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 18 February 2019 18:25 (five years ago) link
they also picked up Brett Lawrie on a minor-league deal, which is surprising because I had no idea he was still playing - seems like a longshot given his mysterious quad injury and the fact that the dude can't hit breaking balls, but taking fliers on dudes like this is what Milwaukee does now. sad to think he was Milwaukee's blue-chip prospect once upon a time.
― frogbs, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:15 (five years ago) link
what's surprising to me is that Lawrie was better than i remembered, he put up a 15.1 bWAR in what amounted to a little more than 3 1/2 full seasons (588 games played over 6 years).
― omar little, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:28 (five years ago) link
MACHADO to PADRES
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link
LET'S GOOOOO
hope he's better than kemp was
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link
10 years, $300m, no word on opt-outs
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
huh!
was still holding out a shred of hope he'd sign with the white sox but this is still more interesting than him going to philly
― na (NA), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:33 (five years ago) link
this is stupid
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:35 (five years ago) link
opt-out after the fifth season
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:39 (five years ago) link
i expect harper will sign relatively soon too, then, now that machado has a value
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:40 (five years ago) link
Congrats to the soon to be 71-91 Padres.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 17:58 (five years ago) link
Franny Machado, 3BFranchy Cordero, CFFranmil Reyes, LF
great time to be a fran
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:07 (five years ago) link
i for one applaud the padres for this giant contract, let's get these players paid
idk if they'll be any good (they prob still won't lol) and it's never fun to watch a decent hitter go to petco but i appreciate their paying the guy what he deserves unlike these other vampires
― they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boo'd Up" (Will M.), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
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― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:44 (five years ago) link
Machado's a great player, possibly historically great--with some obvious baggage re his temperament--but have the Padres ever been a really successful, financially sound organization? I know they made a couple of WS (in years when there were better NL teams). They've basically tied their hands for the foreseeable future, and they're not particularly close at the moment. And if they don't win soon, Machado will start complaining.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:49 (five years ago) link
typical Padres
― frogbs, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:07 (five years ago) link
we see you Cameron
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
padres are in an interesting situation as the only (i believe) MLB team without direct NFL/NBA/NHL competition. they currently have the best/deepest set of prospects in the game. machado's contract takes their payroll from something like $70m to something like $100m, which won't crack the top 20 and is less than half of the top spenders.
i wouldn't call signing one of the top 10 players in the game 'tying their hands' but rather making an aggressive move at the right time. one that teams like the pirates and white sox never seem to have the stomach for.
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:10 (five years ago) link
Cubs weren't successful until they were. Obviously, the Padres believe that right now the core of young players is good enough to patch holes with free agents and thinking about seriously competing in 2020. World series appearances in decades past are no indication of anything at all.
xxxpost to Clem
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:12 (five years ago) link
if machado cared about winning soon, he would've signed with a team further along in their development, so i don't think he's going to complain about that
― na (NA), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:14 (five years ago) link
i could be wrong – but he doesn't seem like the type to let silly facts like that stop him from being a douche.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link
To be fair most teams who are further along in their development seem to be quite content with their shortstop situation.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
lotsa douches have helped win pennants
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:24 (five years ago) link
Machado's deal is only $9M less than the $309M that the Padres spent on free agents in the past 25 offseasons combined.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:33 (five years ago) link
don't almost all teams have billion dollar tv contracts now? now the padres have only $700M of their tv money left to spend over the next 10 years (or whatever, I'm making these numbers up but you get the idea)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:48 (five years ago) link
There's that, and almost every team is at least tens of millions of dollars below the luxury tax threshold, so literally 20+ teams can't complain about having no chance with top tier free agents.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:52 (five years ago) link
san diego is the eighth-largest city and 17th-largest metro area in the usa, it should hardly be considered a 'small market' anyway
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:32 (five years ago) link
they currently have the best/deepest set of prospects in the game
I don't keep up well with farm systems. If that's true, then the move makes a lot more sense.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 20:44 (five years ago) link