write-in vote for miles (!) mikolas (!)
― mookieproof, Saturday, 29 September 2018 19:51 (five years ago) link
David Ortiz didn't have the WAR numbers during his two contracts w/the BoSox but he was an extremely good signing both times.
― omar little, Saturday, 29 September 2018 20:37 (five years ago) link
I thought of Ichiro...somehow that seems different to me, being his first major league team. If you throw him in, he's somewhere in the middle. Ortiz, of course--had it my mind he came over in a trade, but you're right. And for just a stopover, Clemens might rank #1 (even though we didn't get any closer than 26 games out).
Ichiro (2001-2012) - 57.1 (4.8/season)Ortiz (2003-2016) - 52.7 (3.8/season)Clemens (1997-1998) - 20.0 (10.0/season)
i would argue that these things should be ranked by contract
Yeah, I wasn't factoring in money at all (or what you may have subsequently gotten, in a trade or with a draft pick, when the player left), just results.
― clemenza, Saturday, 29 September 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link
Why is this restricted to post-'93 signings? Deals longer than 3-4 years were relatively rare before then (Bonds' deal was an icebreaker IIRC) but on an AAV basis there were plenty of good deals in the 80's and early 90's-- Rickey and Winfield with the Yankees, Nolan Ryan with the Astros, even Molitor with the Jays.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 29 September 2018 23:20 (five years ago) link
I didn't consciously restrict it, just couldn't think of anything offhand. (I looked at Reggie with the Yankees.) Initially, I was thinking of long-term tenures, and it kind of veered off into shorter stays. Here are the ones you mention:
Henderson (1985-1989) - 36.0 (7.2/season)Winfield (1981-1990) - 28.2 (3.1/season)Ryan (1980-1988) - 25.5 (2.8/season)Molitor (1993-1995) - 10.5 (3.5/season)
Henderson for sure. I definitely consider the other three singings very successful, and Molitor was huge in '93; I guess they don't quite rank with the others using WAR.
For everyone I've been calculating, I included the year-end total for players traded during their final season (e.g., Henderson). So their overall totals are very slightly off.
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 00:09 (five years ago) link
Sorry to go off-topic, but Max Scherzer will be starting tomorrow in Denver and needs 6Ks to break the club's single season record for strikeouts (Pedro '97)
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:29 (five years ago) link
Max who?
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 September 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
False Alarm, he'll be shut down:
Max Scherzer will no longer start tomorrow against the Rockies. Dave Martinez said they’ve decided to shut him down considering his workload this year. Erick Fedde will start Sunday instead— Jamal Collier (@JamalCollier) September 30, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 September 2018 06:17 (five years ago) link
10+ K starts since 4/29/2008 (Max Scherzer's MLB Debut)89 Scherzer84 Phillies78 Cubs78 WSox78 Rangers75 Dbacks (3 by Scherzer)75 Yanks72 Mariners66 Angels63 Brewers58 Marlins56 Jays56 Cards53 Reds52 Braves48 Rox42 Padres41 Bucs39 Royals38 A's30 Twins20 O's— Christopher Kamka (@ckamka) June 26, 2019
― na (NA), Wednesday, 26 June 2019 14:22 (five years ago) link
Dominant start today...Someone pointed out in an e-mail to James the other day how uncannily some of his basic career totals match Koufax's right now:
Scherzer (before today)
W-L: 166-87IP: 2232.0WHIP: 1.094ERA+: 133WAR: 57.6
Koufax
W-L: 165-87IP: 2324.1WHIP: 1.106ERA+: 131WAR: 53.1
Scherzer has a much better K/BB ratio (4.29 to 2.93), Koufax the better FIP (2.69-3.13).
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 June 2019 21:25 (five years ago) link
ridiculous player
― omar little, Monday, 1 July 2019 00:00 (five years ago) link
Koufax pretty good to.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 July 2019 00:08 (five years ago) link
Missing his next start. Last nine:
IP - 64H - 40K - 94BB - 9HR - 3ERA - 0.84Game Scores - 71, 59, 86, 73, 72, 77, 78, 84, 79
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 14:02 (five years ago) link
Just because I like checking such things, I was curious how rare it is for a pitcher to have seven consecutive starts with a game score over 70. Yes, that's cherry-picked two ways: the game score of 70, and the number of starts. I realize that. It's a completely arbitrary and therefore largely meaningless achievement.
Anyway, I checked the game logs for a bunch of famous seasons starting with Gibson in '68: Seaver in '69, Vida Blue in '71, Carlton in '72, Guidry in '78, Gooden in '85, Clemens in '86, Hershiser in '88, Maddux in '94/95, Clemens in '97/98, Pedro in '00/01, Johnson in '01/02, Kershaw in '14, deGrom last year. Hardly exhaustive, just wanted something I could manage in five minutes. From those seasons, the only ones to do it were Blue in '71 and Hershiser in '88 (the scoreless streak plus the start before). Gibson had an average game score of 76 in 1968, but not seven consecutive starts of 70+.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:01 (five years ago) link
Let me rephrase: largely redundant achievement, in that it's just another way of measuring what we already know, that Scherzer has been pretty great the past seven starts.
― clemenza, Saturday, 13 July 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
what about arrieta that year?
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 03:59 (five years ago) link
what was that? 14? 15? sorry I’m a little drunk
― k3vin k., Sunday, 14 July 2019 04:00 (five years ago) link
Arrieta didn't have more than three in a row that year (2015). However, his Game Scores for his final nine starts were:
70, 69, 98, 81, 71, 68, 91, 84, 75
If we lower clem's (arbitrary) threshold, that's nine straight over 68.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 14 July 2019 09:20 (five years ago) link
If you loosen the parameters a bit, there are many more impressive streaks than Scherzer's just from that small group. If you go to a game score of 65, Gibson has a 15-game streak in '68 (May 17-July 30). His worst start during that run: 8 IP, 4 H, 3 ER, 5 K, 1 BB. He hit 80-89 nine times and was over 90 twice.
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:48 (five years ago) link
Speaking of whom, bad news:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/cardinals/2019/07/13/bob-gibson-battling-pancreatic-cancer/1727582001/
― clemenza, Sunday, 14 July 2019 10:54 (five years ago) link
Day-to-day; not good when the best player and the best pitcher in the game are simultaneously down.
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:26 (five years ago) link
(Oops--thought I was posting on the Trout thread. He's the one who's day-to-day; Scherzer's on the 10-day.)
― clemenza, Monday, 15 July 2019 14:28 (five years ago) link
Is this common knowledge? I never knew it: he has heterochromia iridum, meaning his eyes aren't the same colour.
http://beckett-www.s3.amazonaws.com/news/news-content/uploads/2015/01/ScherzerSC2008.jpg
If he'd been on the '69 Pilots, he would have had an undoubtedly cruel nickname.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 21:56 (five years ago) link
i think it's common knowledge around these parts -- he has the excellent nickname "Blue Eye" apparently, in addition to the more common "Mad Max". the former name is real Bond villainish.
― omar little, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:01 (five years ago) link
11 years ago, on the day Max was called up to the bigs, felicity (arguably the best contributor to I Love Baseball) wrote:
Max Scherzer petrified 13 straight batters with his deadly gaze!Difficulty: 8Attacks: Pitch 1d3, Petrification--You behold Max Scherzer . . .--You are terrified by his 2-color eyes, and cannot move . . .--You cannot see the release point . . .--You hear Max Scherzer's fastball hissing!--You have become a statue.
Difficulty: 8Attacks: Pitch 1d3, Petrification
--You behold Max Scherzer . . .--You are terrified by his 2-color eyes, and cannot move . . .--You cannot see the release point . . .--You hear Max Scherzer's fastball hissing!--You have become a statue.
when will the 2008 Arizona Diamondbacks come back to earth?
so my advice young clem, is to stick around, maybe catch up on the archives.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 6 August 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
Sorry for the duress and inconvenience caused by my redundant post.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 6 August 2019 23:06 (five years ago) link
Scherzer and Strasburg for their careers:
ERA WHIP K/9 BB/9 H/9 HR/9Max Scherzer 3.20 1.092 10.6 2.4 7.4 1.0Stephen Strasburg 3.17 1.086 10.6 2.4 7.4 0.9
Uncanny.
― clemenza, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:04 (four years ago) link
I'm curious to see how Strasburg does in his 30s. There are quite a few power pitchers whose inconsistencies seem to be tamed in their late 20s and their prime production continues well into their mid to late 30s even to their 40s with a few.
― earlnash, Sunday, 10 November 2019 15:21 (four years ago) link
I lump Max in with that class of pitcher with preternatural calm and a murderous gaze, liable to go off and choke somebody to death if their control slips for a second. Kenny Rogers and Kevin Brown are two I can think of -- I'm sure there are others.
― WmC, Sunday, 10 November 2019 18:23 (four years ago) link
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/71/41/13/15078136/9/rawImage.jpg
― earlnash, Monday, 11 November 2019 02:20 (four years ago) link
lol yes
― Trussrippers WILL be persecuted! (WmC), Monday, 11 November 2019 02:25 (four years ago) link
14 K in 7 innings against the Yankees. (99 pitches, but still in there.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 May 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
max scherzer is 0-for-45 this season with zero walks
he does have two sac bunts and a sac fly
― mookieproof, Friday, 27 August 2021 03:28 (three years ago) link
gonna reach 3000 K in his next start
absolutely lights-out since being traded
is his deal with washington the best huge contract ever?
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 September 2021 00:57 (three years ago) link
if you asked me how many pitchers are there with 3000 Ks i would've guessed more than 19. like at least 30.
― ✖, Sunday, 12 September 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link
anyway scherzer is #19
You could also track his game on another thread...80 pitches, two more innings.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link
Damn. A perfect game, 3,000th K, and an immaculate inning would have been a pretty good start.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link
Lowest ERA in 1st 8 appearances with a team, all starts (single season since ER official in both leagues, 1913):2021 Max Scherzer, LAD: 0.881998 Randy Johnson, HOU: 1.001984 Phil Niekro, NYY: 1.04— Sarah Langs (@SlangsOnSports) September 12, 2021
― mookieproof, Sunday, 12 September 2021 23:07 (three years ago) link
I really had no idea the "immaculate inning" -- nine pitches, nine strikes, three strikeouts -- was so rare. scherzer joined sandy koufax and chris sale as the only pitchers in history with three such innings in their career
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, 16 September 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
I'm the only person on here who pays the least bit of attention to this tabulation (I won't call it a stat), but Scherzer moved ahead of Kershaw into 4th place on Baseball Reference's Cy Young Share list:
1. Roger Clemens (7 wins) 7.662. Randy Johnson (5 wins) 6.503. Greg Maddux (4 wins) 4.924. Max Scherzer (3 wins) 4.615. Clayton Kershaw (3 wins) 4.586. Steve Carlton (4 wins) 4.297. Pedro Martinez (3 wins) 4.268. Justin Verlander (2 wins) 4.219. Tom Seaver (3 wins) 3.8510. Jim Palmer (3 wins) 3.57
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:04 (two years ago) link
Two two will be there forever, probably, but Scherzer may pass Maddux for third.
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
Two two = top two
― clemenza, Saturday, 20 November 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link
Thought “two two” was some weird nick name I’d never heard before!
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 20 November 2021 17:59 (two years ago) link
lol
Max Scherzer has "rattled some with his tough negotiating style" over the past few days https://t.co/hyhg976Erv pic.twitter.com/w54vrb88Ny— SNY (@SNYtv) March 1, 2022
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 21:40 (two years ago) link
oblique strain, out 6-8 weeks
― mookieproof, Thursday, 19 May 2022 18:53 (two years ago) link
Dog bites man, man bites dog, Rafi bites Max.
https://www.mlb.com/news/max-scherzer-gets-dog-bite-on-throwing-hand
― clemenza, Saturday, 4 June 2022 23:52 (two years ago) link
Verlander out for almost three weeks, pitches 5 no-hit innings with a walk and 9 strikeouts. Sixteen days between starts for Scherzer, 6 perfect innings with 9 strikeouts. Old guys need their rest to get by.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 September 2022 02:48 (two years ago) link
Terrible news for the Texas #Rangers:Max Scherzer has a low-grade strain of the teres major muscle in his right shoulder that ends his season.— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) September 13, 2023
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:43 (one year ago) link
Dodging the Casas rematch. Between this & Verlander vs the A’s Steve Cohen’s step is lighter today.
― ydkb (gyac), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 20:55 (one year ago) link
Will be joining Kershaw:
https://www.mlb.com/news/max-scherzer-back-surgery-on-herniated-disc
If he'd stayed healthy the past few years, I guess he would have hit 250 wins and 4,000 strikeouts. Doesn't really affect anything else, but too bad.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 December 2023 20:52 (nine months ago) link
five scoreless in season debut, ties maddux for 11th all-time with 3,371 strikeouts
― mookieproof, Sunday, 23 June 2024 21:13 (two months ago) link
Happy belated Bobby Bonilla Day to Max Scherzer and all who celebrate it
Bobby Bonilla isn’t alone, getting paid today. The Nats are paying $15M to Max Scherzer.Ken Griffey Jr. gets his last payment of $3.59M from the Reds. Manny Ramirez gets $1.96 million from the Red Sox.— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) July 1, 2024
Spotrac, which does the hard work of breaking down and deciphering pro athlete contracts, broke down Scherzer's salary for 2024: $22.5 million from the Rangers, $30.8 million from the New York Mets (with whom he had signed a three-year, $130 million), and the $15 million from the Nationals.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/sports/mlb/rangers/texas-rangers-max-scherzer-washington-nationals-contract-details-breakdown/287-771bcd04-928a-4ba6-bf0f-401f71e5970a
― felicity, Tuesday, 2 July 2024 20:01 (two months ago) link