it's amazing they're a .500 team with that roster
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 May 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
surely the Scioscia Era is in its dusk
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 20:02 (seven years ago) link
sprained his thumb stealing second today. i've had that kind of injury before and it does not go away easily. hoping he's not out too long
― k3vin k., Monday, 29 May 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
The only old timer baseball analysis I can get behind is that diving into a base hands-first is dumb
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 May 2017 03:48 (six years ago) link
sounds like he's going to be out 5-8 weeks. god dammit
― k3vin k., Monday, 29 May 2017 23:50 (six years ago) link
daaaamn
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 06:54 (six years ago) link
sheeit
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 12:07 (six years ago) link
(Thumb): Trout had surgery to repair a torn UCL and a dorsal capsule in his left thumb but is ahead of schedule in his rehabilitation and is lining up to return prior to the All-Star break. (Updated June 13, 2017)
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:21 (six years ago) link
*punches the air*
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 22 June 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
still third in fWAR, sixth in bWAR
― mookieproof, Thursday, 22 June 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
i just want him to continue his streak of top 2 finishes in the MVP race.
― nomar, Thursday, 22 June 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
The situation is virtually identical to Kershaw last year: 149 innings, 2/3 of a season (guessing that's what Trout ends up playing), still finished third in WAR among pitchers and fifth in Cy Young voting. Normally I'd say top two would be extremely unlikely, but when you look at the leaders in WAR, there's lots of daylight. Give Judge one of the top two spots, then you've Betts (main competition), Altuve and Correa splitting votes, Garcia (possible), Hicks (no shot with Judge), and Simmons (no shot). So I could see that happening.
― clemenza, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
who is simmons? andrelton?
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:27 (six years ago) link
Yeah. Besides the fact he's a teammate of Trout's, how far back do you have to go to find a top two finisher who's contribution is largely defensive? (Actual question...Ozzie finished second in 1987--has there been anyone since?) Mind you, according to WAR, Simmons' value is primarily offensive this year.
― clemenza, Thursday, 22 June 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
well a good chunk of that offensive value is just the positional adjustment; he's hitting roughly league average. don't think he's the kind of guy who can really string together an MVP season, trout or no
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
Skimmed through all the MVP votes since '87, and I can't identify one defensive specialist who even finished in the Top Five of any MVP vote. Lots of great defenders, of course, but when Edmonds or I-Rod or Andruw Jones or Molina finished Top Five, it was in seasons where they had big years with the bat. When Lorenzo Cain finished third in 2015, and Lucroy finished high in 2014, they had great offensive years.
― clemenza, Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
yeah simmons is a fun and super solid player, he's just not in that conversation
― k3vin k., Thursday, 22 June 2017 23:46 (six years ago) link
rehabbing w/ Inland Empire!
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/05/angels-mike-trout-reports-no-pain-after-first-rehab-game-with-inland-empire/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 July 2017 12:35 (six years ago) link
26 today
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGoqEmSWAAQxNiM.jpg
― mookieproof, Monday, 7 August 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link
8th in WAR this year, 1.6 behind altuve. i mean i think he might end up leading the league again, if he maintains the pace of his season. he's only 1 pt behind Simmons for second...
― nomar, Monday, 7 August 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
lol he doesn't even have enough PAs to qualify according to FG
― frogbs, Monday, 7 August 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
need 3.1 PAs per team game. he'll qualify by the end of the year
― k3vin k., Monday, 7 August 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
and yeah, i'd take him at even money to lead the AL in WAR by the end of the year
― k3vin k., Monday, 7 August 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
already went from 1.6 behind Altuve to 1.3 behind him in the two days since i posted that update.
― nomar, Wednesday, 9 August 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
Someone should collect online pieces like this and put them into a book:
http://www.si.com/mlb/2017/08/10/mike-trout-angels-hall-fame
It'd be a thousand pages long already.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 August 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
Is there a biography yet? Obvious title just waiting there: A Little Trouty, but Quite Good.
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 August 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
pretty lame that trout is sitting tonight given the angels are in the wild card hunt and he needs PAs to qualify
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 04:21 (six years ago) link
It's his first day off since coming off the DL but more importantly he's in an 0-17 slump and looking terrible at the plate.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 04:41 (six years ago) link
yeah fair point
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 04:45 (six years ago) link
btw you can still 'qualify' if youre short, they just add the empty PAs
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:12 (six years ago) link
4-4 with a HR, 3B, and a walk tonight. guess that slump is over
― k3vin k., Thursday, 31 August 2017 09:04 (six years ago) link
Angels first baseman C.J. Cron won a bet with Mike Trout, hitting two home runs in an 8-2 win over the Athletics. Trout will keep his side of the deal, buying Cron Phoenix Suns season tickets.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 31 August 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
he's had a really rough month (for him, at least, 110 wRC+) with the bat but somehow has put up the BB/K of 2017 joey votto (17.2%/11.5%) during that time
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 September 2017 02:41 (six years ago) link
Think he's ceded the MVP to Altuve, though.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:53 (six years ago) link
judge is trying to have something to say about that
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 September 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
I really hope Judge doesn't win. Even with this recent resurgence, his second half stats still pale next to the first half. Barring any major surprises the last 10 games, I'd go Altuve, Ramirez, Trout, then Judge.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
i'll never know why you care so much about 2nd half performance, but judge's second half wRC+ is over 125 after today's game, just because it was weirdly partitioned into a really bad stretch and a really hot stretch doesn't make it any less legitimate
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link
Ranger fan here, and I'm ruminating on days yesteryear, right around the Bautista punch and before Rougie Odor's contract, when many homers in the area were proclaiming they wouldn't trade Odor straight up for Altuve. We're talking arguably the best player in baseball versus arguably the worst.
― rip van wanko, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
i'll never know why you care so much about 2nd half performance
I think we've argued this before. To me, it's no different than assigning greater leverage to what happens late in the game. (To be fair, Judge is having a phenomenal ninth inning.)
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
i can't see judge winning in a year where his big slump was highlighted by an extremely well-publicized negative record that he set by like 40 extra games
― qualx, Monday, 25 September 2017 04:28 (six years ago) link
who'll they go for, the safe amazing second basemen on a playoff team who leads the league in WAR or that guy who did nothing but strike out for what felt like half the season
― qualx, Monday, 25 September 2017 04:29 (six years ago) link
To me, it's no different than assigning greater leverage to what happens late in the game.
Except a win in April is the same as a win in September. A lead after the fourth inning is not the same as the lead after the ninth.
So, different.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
is the same = of equal value
morbs otm
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 25 September 2017 14:39 (six years ago) link
A run in the first inning counts just as much towards the final score as a run in the ninth inning.
A lead in mid-May is not the same as a lead on Oct. 2.
Leverage in the course of a season is just as meaningful as leverage over the course of nine innings.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
that's definitely completely wrong though
― qualx, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
Then explain how.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
I can accept dismissing both as specious--a run is a run and a win is a win--and I can also accept placing value on both. But saying one is meaningful and the other doesn't exist, that makes no sense to me at all.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
because runs in a single game and wins over a single season are obviously different functions? the only reason anyone cares about leverage as a statistic is because it's related to observable, statistically significant skill. "season-wide" leverage is a team skill and "team skills" are not relevant over multiple seasons worth of data.
leverage index also takes into account a bunch of other factors that don't equate to a season of baseball. if the only factor was "this guy does better in later innings" then yeah, it'd be pretty meaningless.
― qualx, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link
you're comparing a season of 162 games to a single game of 9 innings, i don't really know how else to explain that they don't match up
― qualx, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link