yeah it's close for sure but it seems like a common sense approach can be taken. don't jump, don't do any other obvious weird shit. like basketball and traveling
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:51 (seven years ago) link
I don't watch much basketball, but I gather players travel like crazy compared to a generation or more ago.
― scattered, smothered, covered, diced and chunked (WilliamC), Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:59 (seven years ago) link
the "two steps allowed before shooting" flex has infiltrated pretty much every other aspect of dribbling
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:35 (seven years ago) link
so we're all agreed that carter capps can keep pitching like that as long as he dribbles?
― qualx, Thursday, 2 March 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
seems like the next logical step
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 23:49 (seven years ago) link
bring in a long jumper, have him start on second, hit the rubber on his last jump, deliver the ball from 38 feet
'subpar stuff, but his deceptive delivery really plays up'
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 March 2017 00:23 (seven years ago) link
After months of haggling over the final details of the new collective bargaining agreement, the document is completed and now in the hands of printers, sources said. This clears the way for the pace-of-action conversations between Major League Baseball and the players' association that are destined to have a lasting impact on a sport long celebrated for its timelessness.Baseball officials and players may ultimately embrace -- or confront -- two words that seemed unimaginable even five or 10 years ago: pitch clock. And as the union and MLB exchange ideas in the months ahead, some players privately hope that part of the solution is the advent of an electronic strike zone, which they believe could serve to move the games along as much as a time limit between pitches.
Baseball officials and players may ultimately embrace -- or confront -- two words that seemed unimaginable even five or 10 years ago: pitch clock. And as the union and MLB exchange ideas in the months ahead, some players privately hope that part of the solution is the advent of an electronic strike zone, which they believe could serve to move the games along as much as a time limit between pitches.
http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post/_/id/16805/olney-baseball-keeps-getting-slower-but-change-will-come-by-2018
― Andy K, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
i am totally on-board with a pitch clock. automatic ball. plus actual enforcement of the batter's box rule ffs. an automatic strike if they step out. DONE. once players got used to it you'd forget it was there. imagine! an end to interminable fiddling with batting gloves, etc.
fuck an electronic strike zone though. a dramatic, physical punch-out from the ump to end an inning is one of the greatest things in baseball.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:01 (six years ago) link
I'd be cool with a dramatic machine punch-out.
― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:38 (six years ago) link
yeah i don't know if i'm ready for robo-umps
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:32 (six years ago) link
pitch clock is long overdue tho
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
i am wary of the "unintended consequences" of rule changes that Kevin Goldstein used to warn of on the BP podcast
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
(ie What Will Joe West Do)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:49 (six years ago) link
you wouldn't be allowed to forget the pitch clock is there. mlb is obsessed with making big deals out of these things. remember when they implemented replay and treated it like a major news event every time a manager made a challenge?
― qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
if there's a pitch clock they'd force every stadium to stick a big countdown right behind the batter
― qualx, Thursday, 8 June 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
there's been a pitch clock in AAA and AA for a couple years now and it's not a problem -- it almost never comes up, in fact. it's just a tool, not a revolution
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
I feel like the proposed mound-meeting rules unfairly target Willson Contreras, who stands to lose much from his primary form of interpersonal communication— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) January 19, 2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
icymi...Brisbee
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/1/23/16923186/mlb-pitch-clock-proposal-pace-of-play
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
yeah bring on the pitch clock obviously
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 24 January 2018 22:50 (six years ago) link
so this was weird
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/2/1/16961470/mlb-pitch-clock-rob-manfred-players
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 February 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
there's gonna be a lot of weird maneuvering like this as we edge toward CBA armageddon
i'm sure that manfred and management do indeed want the games to be shorter -- also pretty sure that they'd gladly jettison it as a bargaining chip for something that would save them money
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 February 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
CBA is low in my stack of Armageddons
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 February 2018 20:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-announces-pace-of-play-initiatives/c-266718664
― WilliamC, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:03 (six years ago) link
• Mound visits: Mound visits will be limited to six per team per nine innings. Teams will receive an additional visit for every extra inning played. Any manager, coach or player visit to the mound will count as a mound visit. Visits to the mound to clean cleats in rainy weather, to check on an injury or potential injury or after the announcement of an offensive substitution are excepted. Also, normal communication between player and pitcher that do not require either to vacate their position on the field do not count as a visit. If a team is out of visits, the umpire will have discretion to grant a visit at the catcher's request if he believes there has been a cross-up between the pitcher and catcher.
i don't have the stats handy but how often do teams typically visit the mound per 9 innings anyway? 6 per team doesn't really seem like it's going to change anything.
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
they do it a ton when games get close and into the later innings
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 19 February 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link
sometimes jetes just needs to get everybody on the same page
― mookieproof, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
i think i'm ok with this? i don't care about "pace of play" but it's pretty annoying when the catcher goes up after ever other pitch. i might have limited it differently but i'm ok with reducing mound visits in general.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 14:52 (six years ago) link
i don't care about "pace of play" but it's pretty annoying when the catcher goes up after ever other pitch.
I think this is going to kill Julio Teheran.
― WilliamC, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:24 (six years ago) link
Catchers Willson Contreras and Martin Maldonado are...ABOVE THE LAW
Catchers Willson Contreras and Martin Maldonado have already said they won’t follow the new mound-visit rule. Specifically, they said they are willing to pay fines rather than comply if the game is on the line.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-mound-visit-rule-might-have-an-enforcement-problem/
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
clearly the catcher should be ejected
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 March 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link
The #MLB proposed a three-batter minimum while the MLB Players Association wants a universal designated hitter in the National League https://t.co/o9kTr78lrK pic.twitter.com/y0fPf0P73h— NBC Sports (@NBCSports) February 6, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 14:57 (five years ago) link
A reminder:MLB pitchers hit .115/.144/.149 in 2018, all-time lows in all 3 slash categories.42.2 K%, higher than A.Chapman's record as a pitcher.They had a wRC+ of -25! And they've always been terrible. The last time they had a wRC+ better than 2018 Chris Davis (46) was 1902. pic.twitter.com/h6u95tsJ78— James Smyth (@JamesSmyth621) February 6, 2019
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:20 (five years ago) link
how do you all feel about a three-batter minimum rule (pitchers must face at least 3 batters before being removed; intended to speed up the game by having fewer pitching changes)?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:27 (five years ago) link
in favor tbh
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 15:49 (five years ago) link
yeah i think it's a good idea? seems like if teams wanted to get around it they could have pitchers feign injury after a batter or two. so now we're bringing flopping into the world of baseball. but that's probably not a huge concern.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:08 (five years ago) link
those were exactly my first reactions, too, but i haven't really thought about it much or heard arguments to the contrary.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
i guess there is a genuine health concern argument you could make about forcing pitchers to pitch a certain amount
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:38 (five years ago) link
it's amazing how baseball has convinced itself that it's impossible to make players actually play the game faster so instead they come up with shit like this.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
yeaaaah...it does seem possible that someone could come in and have a terrible day *cough greg holland, cough*, throw 10 pitches to the first guy, 8 to the next, 9 to the third, or whatever. and you'd not only be forced to watch greg holland suck for 3 batters in a row, but also throw way too many pitches in the process?
or an old schooler like Tony Larussa might just visit the mound and tell him to hit the next 2 batters on the first pitch and gtfo?
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:44 (five years ago) link
opposed to 3-batter min
i don't like the endless pitching changes, but unintended consequences will likely be worse
kinda like term limits
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link
and whoever tweets for NBC Sports, it's not "the MLB" you savage
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
if that got out of hand it wouldn't be difficult to institute a rule that if a pitcher is removed for an injury he has to sit for x games (like if you do an injury roster replacement in the playoffs)
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
i don't really get why relievers need eight warmup pitches -- that's what the bullpen is for. come in, throw two or three to get the feel of the mound, and get going
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
i'm out on anything that takes strategy out of the game and again, they could just.....execute pitching changes faster? like maybe the tubby manager doesn't have to stroll out to the mound to "take the ball?" maybe the new pitcher doesn't need a dozen warmup throws off the mound after having fully warmed up in the bullpen?
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 16:57 (five years ago) link
it doesn't take strategy out of the game, it just changes the strategy. you could argue it requires more strategic thinking to plan by batches of three batters instead of being able to swap out pitchers for each batter.
― na (NA), Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:03 (five years ago) link
you could, but i wouldn't
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:06 (five years ago) link
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, February 6, 2019 11:57 AM (eleven minutes ago
right, or enforce a damn pitch clock!
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
i think they should just implemented this rule in the minor leagues so that it can work there and then never be properly implemented and enforced in the major leagues, several years later
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:10 (five years ago) link
xp lol
Even though I hate the glacial pace-of-play and the sheer pointlessness of many pitching changes--cf. my whining about the Brewers in last years NL playoff thread--my instinctive reaction to the three-batter idea is no. That seems to be an overly drastic and artificial intervention...I'd have to give it some thought to explain better.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 6 February 2019 17:12 (five years ago) link