Anyone want to get on my jock re: picking Martinez over Posada?
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
Piazza drops two fingers for the curve and Clemens nods in agreement. Clemens then grooves a 95 mph fastball that catches Piazza square in the sternum. Piazza charges the mound. Kent and Berkman run in from their positions while the rest of the players stand dumbfounded.
― boldbury (boldbury), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:16 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
AL1B F Thomas2B A Soriano3B M MoraSS M YoungC I RodriguezRF V GuerreroLF M RamirezCF C Beltran
NL
1B A Pujols2B J Kent3B S RolenSS J WilsonC M PiazzaLF B BondsRF B AbreuCF S Finley
― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link
you guys are nuts, though. but thanks, i'm not going to feel the slightest twinge of guilt for voting for guys like matsui and jeter now. (really, it's a factor i'd never considered but the bias yankees fans have for their players should more than be countered by the at-least equal bias EVERYONE ELSE has against them)
ps i can't get my head around all the sori-love
pps melvin mora ugh
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link
And PLEASE name a more worthy 2Ber, because my Soriano pick was a "shit, there's no one else better, is there"? EXCEPT FOR JUAN URIBE (he just realizes).
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 June 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link
ok maybe not. yeah, uribe is cooking, how did i not realize he had a .914 OPS until just now even though i KNOW i looked up his stats when i was looking for viable alternatives to soriano?
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:06 (twenty years ago) link
Boone, of course... 7-for-20 this week, a mere 48 points behind Sori in OPS, figures to equal him at year's end.
What yer overlooking, Gear, is the flukish nobodies DON'T WIN THE BALLOTING. Last one I recall is write-in Steve Garvey in 1974, and we know where that led -- the most overrated player of his era.
Like I said, so many of the positions are already foregone conclusions it's time for strategic voting. e.g., A-Rod and Rolen have it wrapped up, it feels just to bump up Mora and Lowell to runnerup. And Bonds doesn't need any more of my votes, so I'm voting Berkman-Abreu-Edmonds to get Sammy the hell outta there.
The ASG and HOF don't mean shit really, but look how any "who deserves" topic gets the love...
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:13 (twenty years ago) link
Ha! I FORGOT ABOUT A-ROD TOO!
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link
even when bellhorn was hitting .192 in april, he was a valuable offensive player because he walked so much.
― John (jdahlem), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago) link
That's all I'm sayin, fules!
― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 13 June 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago) link
i wander if those short fences are helping him inflate his HR totals ? ? ?
everyone knows he's more or less been a DH for years now, but he's brazenly been listed on the ballot as a 1B anyway (so far this season, he's played a total of 8 innings there). also, kerry probably likes him.
in sum, DO NOT VOTE FOR FRANK THOMAS.
― John (jdahlem), Sunday, 13 June 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:06 (twenty years ago) link
before they brought the fences they decreased home runs by 3% ie neutral effects.
what's your source on this "neutral park" assertion (not only cuz i don't believe you but also because i've been looking for a list)? if the data being used is from the past 10+ years (as i think they usually are) instead of the past 3 (when the fences were brought in) then the results would be skewed.
and if you're voting sox, you should have voted for paul konerko, a REAL LIFE first baseman and possessor of a .921 OPS who has zero chance of starting the all-star game because of this despicable brand of oldster favoritism and/or thomas's obscene disregard of reality. i think paul konerko would agree: "the big hurt", INDEED.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link
Thomas29 100 26 30 7 0 13 22 28 22 0 1 .300 .457 .760 1.217 26 87 17 26 7 0 3 18 26 15 0 0 .299 .470 .483 .952
Konerko31 108 19 31 4 0 10 25 20 14 0 0 .287 .414 .602 1.015 25 95 11 27 5 0 4 14 9 21 1 0 .284 .346 .463 .809
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 14 June 2004 06:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link
since he's eligible on the ballot at first, that's where he's getting my vote.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 June 2004 16:12 (twenty years ago) link
i wanted to know your source (as i explained) because i've been trying to find park factors for awhile now, and because i wanted to know what data was being used. and i think one of our sources must be wrong, because if us cellular is really increasing home runs by 30% it would be very difficult to be a neutral park overall.
fwiw, i remembered/realized that my baseball prospectus lists park factors, and they have us cellular as a very slight hitter's park. but again i'm not sure what data they use.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:06 (twenty years ago) link
konerko: 1B
thomas: none
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 14 June 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago) link
Now I'm not normally anti-BBTN because I think at worst they're nice guys with an old-school, backwards thinking perspective, no harm intended. But some of their picks were ridiculous. Also ridiculous was basing their picks on nothing other than HR-RBI-BA, which probably has more to do with BBTN dumbing it all down for everyone at home to understand than anything else. Slugging percentage and OBP and BB are still statistics that don't get people excited.
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 14 June 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:53 (twenty years ago) link
REEEEEEETHIIIIIIINK(but both of 'em regularly destroy the brewers. maybe estrada instead of craig wilson.)
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 04:59 (twenty years ago) link
Vernon Wells deserves an AL OF spot ahead of Beltran among the CF regulars, too, but has no shot to start.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link
Plus, he pulled a hammy last night. >:(
― boldbury (boldbury), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:17 (twenty years ago) link
Everett must be stopped (preferably not by injury). Pack it for Renteria (I'd be willing to go to Larkin if his votes weren't lagging).
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link
AL:First Base: D. Ortiz, BOS (write-in) Second Base: J. Uribe, CWS (write-in)Third Base: H. Blalock, TEX Shortstop: M. Young, TEX Catcher: V. Martinez, CLE Outfielder: C. Beltran, KC Outfielder: V. Guerrero, ANA Outfielder: M. Ramirez, BOS
NL:First Base: A. Pujols, STL Second Base: J. Kent, HOU Third Base: S. Rolen, STL Shortstop: J. Wilson, PIT Catcher: M. Piazza, NYM Outfielder: K. Griffey, Jr., CIN Outfielder: B. Abreu, PHI Outfielder: B. Bonds, SF
(Whoops - should've swapped out Griffey for Berkman, maybe.) And, also, because I was lazy, I used MLB's retardo arbitrary rating system (which just multiplies RBIs & HRs & Ks & SBs & other stuff by some factor, and then adds / subtracts where applicable) as a divining rod. Didn't affect my decisions at all, but if you want to throw stones, use that as the slingshot.
Re: Morb trumpeting the greatness of Vernon Wells - I didn't realize this but Wells & Beltran have similar stats (excepting Beltran's mind-boggling success as a basestealer, which is why he'll undoubtedly get the nod) (plus, VDub's "slow start" bit him in the ass, especially in the counting run-production stats) (he should've followed Beltran's lead - sprint out to an early lead, & then ease off the gas in mid-May) (I wonder if the Jays' "station-to-station" approach has something to do w/ Wells not running hmmmmmm).
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link
If Beltran were to be a voted a spot, it could be the first case of trade hype doing it. Or pre-emptive Yankee homerism.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 15:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link
and you're right, wells isn't stealing cuz he's not allowed to by daddy richardi. but docta, 12/3 is more impressive than 5/1, please. especially when you consider that 12 of 15 is a poor percentage for carlos.
david, do you have some ranger fan in you that you've kept hidden? blalock and young, come on. (should be a-rod and jeter obv)
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:31 (twenty years ago) link
C - Pudge1B - Palmeiro2B - I actually can't remember, not Soriano though3B - BlalockSS - M YoungOF - VladOF - MannyOF - V Wells
C - Piazza1B - Pujols2B - Kent3B - RolenSS - also can't rememberOF - AbreuOF - Griffey Jr.OF - Giles
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link
AL
1B Giambi (Harvey, PAUL KONERKO, Hatteberg [!!])2B Belliard SS Jeter3B A-RodC PosadaOF BeltranOF VladOF Matsui
1B Pujols2B LorettaSS Wilson3B RolenC Lo Duca (Kendall)OF BerkmanOF Alou (Dunn/Abreau)OF Edmonds (Griffey)
the other guys'll hopefully get votes from me eventually.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago) link
JD, how many RUNS are 7 extra steals (and 2 CSs) worth? Maybe one?
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:08 (twenty years ago) link