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I'm just glad he's not going to be in Baltimore.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

So now Mets go after No-Hit Minky. Fuckity fuck.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1975414


Maybe they'll put the Bosox WS ball on display at Shea! Or he'll hafta platoon with a reborn Galarraga and/or flukish Jason Phillips.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Today's buzzword is DEFENSE.

As in, "With Minky, the Mets' infield defense will be vastly improved."

Or as in, "Dr. Morbius will get defensive if folks razz about the Mets acquiring a no-hit tarp."

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i read that delgado's contract is seriously backloaded, though. i think it's $4 million this year and escalates to $17 & 18 million in years 2 & 3 w/ an buyout option. the contract more resembles an nfl capsanity contract.

gee. what do you think the chances are he plays all 4 years in florida?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

$4 million?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Let me work this out on paper:

2004: $4M
2005: $17M (cum: $21M)
2006: $18M (cum: $39M)
2007: $13M (cum: $52M) - i'm assuming it's a team option?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

actually, my numbers are off a little, but the 4 million for year 1 is accurate. i guess the option is for a fifth year which is guaranteed if del-g meets certain targets? if he doesn't meet the targets, the team can exercise a 12 million buyout or del-g can get out w/ 4 million...it's a funky contract.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Aren't the Mets talking about getting Olerud (if they haven't already)?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

That's the craziest backloading I've ever seen. Which players do the Marlins need to get off the books in 2005?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

pudge rodriguez & mike hampton come off in 2006.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

eureka

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

No on Olerud. 36 and slow to start with, his foot's been in a cast much of the winter.

Mets gave up their #4 prospect for Mink. Still, I didn't realize DM's career OBP is still .363.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primer/blogpen_discussion/25915/

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 January 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

pudge rodriguez & mike hampton come off in 2006.

PUDGE SIGNED A ONE-YEAR DEAL! They backloaded a one-year contract? OMG WTF ROFFLE

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 January 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, yeah...huh.

maybe arthur anderson doe stheir acocunting?

...thanks, i'll be here all night folks.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 28 January 2005 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Not so much related to the hot stove, but a winter league report from my friend who just returned from the DR:

"Manny Ramirez was on our flight from Santiago, DR, to Miami. I didn't go up to him in the airport, but he seemed totally accessible and was really friendly to everyone who came up to him.

Didn't catch any games while I was there, but I saw parts on TV. Tejada was killing everyone. Eric Byrnes looked gimpy and uncoordinated."

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

"maybe arthur anderson doe stheir acocunting?"

The Pirates owner seems to think there is some shady accounting going down.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-pirates-mcclatchy-salarycap&prov=ap&type=lgns

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

If any team owner is in a shitty position to talk about the way other teams handle their money, it's the Pirates owner. (Or most of the other team owners.)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What a dick. "I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't want to put a decent product on the field WHY WON'T EVERYONE ELSE FOLLOW MY LEAD?"

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I was wondering what Hobby was doing there. Probably scoring some tootski rootski from the Can. And Gedman, I mean really of all the Sox catchers why Gedman. Fisk couldn't have shown up?
-- Velveteen Bingo (formerlypoopsmcge...), November 11th, 2004.

just getting this now, but man, potato-head gedman is homegrown man! he's from worcester! so, y'know, he was probably in the area, working for the boylston dpw or something.

otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:36 (nineteen years ago) link

So I guess Burnitz is now a Cub?

Haha, shades of "Why re-sign Maddux when we can get Jose Guzman and a carload of assholes?" with this "Beltran's too expensive" business.

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 06:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't want to burst my own bubble but have the Brewers quietly assembled a hell of a team?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

c Damian Miller
1b Lyle Overbay
2b Junior Spivey
ss J.J. Hardy/Bill Hall
3b Wes Helms/Russell Branyan/Bill Hall
lf Carlos Lee
cf Brady Clark
rf Geoff Jenkins

intriguing talk from Brewers insiders: Carlos Lee played 3b in the minors and is apparently really good there

problem, once again: pitching. Sheets, then whoever else shows up; concern about lack of Kolb, but we think we got it covered with Mikey Adams

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

It's too bad Bud moved the team to the NL - with their team, they'd have a shot @ the AL Central!

If Lee played 3rd, who'd play LF? Or would they flip Mr. Favre from RF to LF to (hopefully) keep him from getting hurt? (Not that such
a move would automatically keep the guy safe.)

Also, the way Kolb was throwing (& not K-ing guys when throwing), it's better the Brewers cut bait when they did. Do they still have Luis Vizcaino? - he was 10 types of buttass last year (was he hurt?), but I imagine he could do just fine as a late-inning guy (presuming his case of the suckage isn't chronic).

& who is this Brady Clark character?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

naw man we dumped Viz (and Podsednik) for Lee. and if yr talking about G.Jenkins, he's played LF 4eva, he's only in right because of Carlos Leee.

Brady Clark is an enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a velvet glove. He's an underrated outfielder, but his bat is STREAKY; he hits a fair amount of game-winners though. He platooned much of last year -- hell, his whole career, so we'll see. He can run a little, too; he's not as speedy as Podsednik, but who is?

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Am I the only one that sees the Favre / Jenkins connection? Or is there another Brewski w/ the same piercing eyes and square jaw?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

there are a lot of people who look like that. me, for instance, except without the eyes part, or the jaw thing

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Russell Branyan is a player that seems to have the stuff to become a regular but never quite makes it happen. I can see why teams keep giving him a chance, as a left-handed power hitting 3b doesn't come around often. He went on a couple of big power hitting streaks when he was with the Reds. The guy strikes out WAY too much.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah I don't like his game, and Wes Helms is just Branyan without the power. I think Bill Hall should be our regular 3b but there are "questions" about his arm strength, which I think is bullshit.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think Russ has been given the chance to succeed - everyone's gonzo fear of the K (as if a double-play ground-out is any better) keeps him from getting a fair shake. I'm not sure why the Indians cut bait on him - maybe Matt Williams was blocking him @ the time - but he was totally cockblocked by the Reds (either by would-be world-beater Brandon Larson - who's still in the mix, I think - or Aaron Boone). Given the Brewers' straits (which, despite their paper improvements, are pretty dire, especially in the NL Central), they'd be better off seeing if Branyan is worth a damn - he's still pretty young, & has that "upside" (cf. Earl's post) - than giving more ABs to a place-holder like Bill Hall. And I'm talking about two month's worth of playing time, none of this sub-Hee-Sop-Choi bench-sit yo-yoing.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

place-holder? Bill Hall is the best clutch hitter in MLB!* it's not his fault if the Brewers are rarely in a position to benefit!

*This according to Rob Neyer AND Bill James.**

**I may have made this up.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Best clutch hitter? Dude, Mr. Baseball himself BOB UECKER* told me that clutch hitting is a falacy, and that Hill's "non-clutch" performance last year warrants a swift kick in the pantaloons, not a starting job.

*HI DERE

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

get one dictionary, it's spelled "phallus-y"

or maybe "harmacy," not sure, must consult Robo-Uecker

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

*does*

EWWWW.

The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF???

The Blue Jays are changing the name of Skydome to the "Rogers Centre"

(Rogers = Ted Rogers, whose conglomerate owns the team and, as of a few months ago, the stadium as well)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish it was the Buck Rogers Centre.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ROY ROGERS CENTRE.

The Trigger Cafe would ROCK!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I like the Twiggy Terrace better.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 3 February 2005 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

welp, looks like Maggs is Motown-bound.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1985108

Fare ye well, my sliding-catching friend...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 5 February 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

a five-year, $75 million million deal with Detroit ... The Tigers can reportedly void the deal at any time if Ordonez's osteochondritis occurs

How bizarre. Never heard of anything like that. And Boras accepted it?? I guess it's great for Maggs if he does in fact stay healthy. We shall see.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Sunday, 6 February 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Blue Jays are changing the name of Skydome to the "Rogers Centre"

WTF indeed! I'm not gonna call it that. It's a dome, not a centre. Fuck you Rogers, either put more money into the team or lower the price of cable!

It was almost a point of pride for me, that our stadium hadn't succumb to the corporate branding of anything you could fit a logo onto. Worst offseason ever.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, apparently they just announced they'll be pumping more money into the team.
I'm still not happy about the renaming tho.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 7 February 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For the Toronto fans, what happened to the Blue Jays farm system? They had a run in the 80s and early 90s of turning out a bunch of great players.

Earl Nash (earlnash), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 03:37 (nineteen years ago) link

The Chicago Cubs today acquired pitcher Roberto Novoa, infielder Scott Moore and outfielder Clarence “Bo” Flowers from the Detroit Tigers in exchange for pitcher Kyle Farnsworth and a player to be named later.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Folks recently birthed from the Toronto farm system (last 5 years):

Vernon Wells
Alexis Rios (though he's still unproven)
Josh Phelps (jury's still out, of course)
Kelvim Escobar (?)

... and a lot more semi-notable folks than what I'm coming up with. Granted, none of those guys are Junior Felix, but who the hell is?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

If you're going to put Escobar on that list, then Halladay should be on there too.
Orlando Hudson, I think, is worth mentioning as well.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The Chicago Cubs today acquired pitcher Roberto Novoa, infielder Scott Moore and outfielder Clarence “Bo” Flowers from the Detroit Tigers in exchange for pitcher Kyle Farnsworth and a player to be named later.

It's Bo b/c he plays both baseball and football, I take it. He's a Bermanism waiting to happen.

bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom Meagher slams the Ordonez deal.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you Thermo! I totally whiffed on Halladay & Hudson!

Also, if you REALLY want to push things, there's that would-be phenom SS currently on the Reds that's supposedly "washed up" at the ripe old age of 25. (Is his name Felipe Lopez?)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

there's that would-be phenom SS currently on the Reds that's supposedly "washed up" at the ripe old age of

Rich Aurilia?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Detroit's assembling a real gas can of a team.

mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link


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