Prince Albert Pujols, he reigneth

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Nagashima is more respected because he's Japanese!!! (unlike Oh, which is a sad, sad story).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

is the talent pool THAT suspect?

i mean sports are serious business now and conditioning is superior and just general societal lifestyle things make a difference, but wasn't baseball pretty much the only true major league sport in the days of the babe?

look at at all the competition baseball faces now from football, hoops, soccer and to some extent, hockey and lax (to the extent that there are thousands of kids who may never play baseball b/c lax season conflicts).

i'm not saying that the talent pool is weak now, but baseball had pretty free range over things for a while.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)

I think the talent level in all those sports has increased, in part because of desegregation, but also because of globalization, industrialization and the rise of television/superstar athlete (far more people grow up wanting to be a star baseball player now--even with the rise of those other sports--than did a hundred or even seventy-five years ago.) Anyway I am pretty sure if you look at the statistics the range between the best players and the weakest (and even the median) players between then and now is much greater.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

re: Negro Leagues -- stats from all games, even exhibition games, were also included in career totals.

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Polyp and others,

I will enthrall and delight all of you with my fascinating observations in a week or so. I am leaving the keys to the ILB office with Barry and Felicity. Be easy on them!

Steve Shasta
East Coast Wakeboarding Representative

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Catch a wave and you're sittin' on top of the world!

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)

Why must I be called "polyp". How unfortunate.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:51 (twenty years ago)

Top Five NL First Basemen, by VORP


1.	Albert Pujols	STL     .362	35.2
2.	Nick Johnson	WAS     .326	17.7
3.	Lance Berkman	HOU     .316	17.4
4.	Nomar Garciaparra  LAN	.337	16.7
5.	Carlos Delgado	NYN	.305	15.7

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)

The first number is EqA, the second is VORP.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)

NOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I had the same reaction!

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Besides the "holy shit, Pujols is twice as good as all these other star first basemen" reaction, of course.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

That's only because Derrek Lee broke his wrist though (batting .318/.448/.614 at the time of his injury).

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

steve shasta = david wells, gimme my $5.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

There's a great chart in the new Sport Illustrated... actually, it's in my trashcan let me dig it out:

Okay, the title of the chart is "Projected All-time HR Leaders using Baseball Prospectus' PECOTA Forecasting Tool":

1. Barry Bonds - 765
2. Hank Aaron - 755
3. Babe Ruth - 714
4. Alex Rodriguez - 678
5. Willie Mays - 660
6. Adam Dunn - 638
7. Ken Griffey Jr. - 637
8. Albert Pujols - 620
9. Manny Ramirez - 589
10. Sammy Sosa - 588

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

#1 Evil, cheating steroid abuser: ON DA JUICE!!!111
#2 Godlike baseball immortal
#3 Godlike baseball immortal
#4 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#5 Godlike baseball immortal
#6 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#7 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#8 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#9 One of the Good guys: Pure talent, this guy has what it takes to win
#10 Evil, cheating steroid abuser: ON DA JUICE!!!111

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Also in that edition:

Albert Pujols article: Albert is the new, clean face of baseball heroes. Albert upset about any steroid allegations, upset at his disputed age allegations. Meanwhile, he's on pace to shatter a record that only Evil, cheating steroid abusers (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa) have been able to accomplish!

Barry Bonds: Increasingly poor production (.971 OPS?), agonizing march to overtake Ruth (3 HRs in 4 weeks of April vs. 3 HRs in 3 weeks of May to date!?!?!?), more of Verducci's declining and agonizing analysis.

Justin Gaitlin: FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!! Meet the brand new 100m world record holder!!! Never mind that he tested positive for PEDs 3 years ago and received and served a year suspension!!!! Nevermind that his trainer and coach is the man who first was caught with an HGH/BALCO affiliated designer steroid syringe, setting off a wave of baseball-centric federal drug investigation... Nevermind all that, boy is this guy fast!!!

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Yawn.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

xp - I thought everyone still hated A-Rod for being pretty and not clutch.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Alex are you going to any of the STL games?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I've also heard them be down on Manny Ramirez and Adam Dunn too, but hey I don't live in Shasta-land.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm not actually! I kind of wish I had ticks. I saw 'em last year.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

a-rod's pretty?

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

pretty shitty amirite?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

he's pretty... pretty clutch.

Also Adam Dunn has got to be one of the greatest power hitters of all time.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Will Adam Dunn end up being Boog Powell or Harmon Killebrew?

I'm wondering how Teixeira fares, if he signs long-term to play in the AL Coors.

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

i hope adam dunn starts to hit for average, in between whiffing and homering.

― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

You forgot walking, gear. If he can just maintain a .250-.260 BA, his value will still be off the charts.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

He's the Rob Deer 5000 -- new and improved model.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Nah, Wily Mo is the Nu-Rob Deer.

Dunn is the true three outcomes master: K, BB, HR.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

i wish he'd get up to .260!

― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Wait PECOTA actually thinks Adam Dunn is going to hit 600 home runs? Isn't Adam Dunn the poster-child for old player skills? Doesn't that usually = pretty short career?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

That said his baseball-reference comparables through 25 look pretty good although to be fair I'm not sure anyone other than Killebrew on this list is a particularly good comparison (and I doubt this is the list of comparables PECOTA came up with):

Darryl Strawberry (927)
Reggie Jackson (926) *
Jose Canseco (918)
Troy Glaus (909)
Tom Brunansky (902)
Juan Gonzalez (901)
Boog Powell (901)
Rocky Colavito (891)
Tony Conigliaro (890)
Harmon Killebrew (883) *

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I'd compare him to Todd Helton: he plays in a crackerjack box 81 games a year.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

His home road splits are pretty extreme for his career IIRC.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

Powell, Colavito, Conigliaro are all valid comparison - big, lumbering dudes with a ton of power but not necessarily staying potential.

IIRC, Boog is one of PECOTA's top comparables (as are Killer and Glaus)

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

his three-year home/road splits aren't that bad: .836 away/.902 home

― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

what happened to helton? guy's turned into dave magadan.

― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

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― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Babe Ruth hit his 25th homerun on June 30th in his definitive 1927 60-HR season (*154 games).

Pujols is a month and a day ahead of Babe Ruth's pace.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Ruth's pace is misleading -- didn't he hit 17 homers in September that year?

Comparing to Sosa/McGwire 1998 or Bonds 2001 is more revealing. I think he's ahead of everyone's pace though.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Nah, he's behind McGwire and Bonds.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)

Straight average:

25/51*162 = 79.41

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)

That would be quite a lot of home runs, but I'm pretty sure the .41 wouldn't count.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

that would be a double

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

tagged out stretching a single into a double.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

albert got greedy

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

BASTARD

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

He did the Willy Mays Hayes spring training slide into 2nd.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

he straineth his oblique! Shasta don't hafta sell his "73" jewelry now.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

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I was thinking the way he’s been hitting, he must’ve been having *some* decent success against right handed pitching, but wow those platoon splits are something else. Albert on the Cards playing at Coors Field 2006 vs Albert on the Angels 2020 basically.

― omar little, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:48 (three years ago)

check out the guy at the top falling over with a beer

― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:53 (three years ago)

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― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:53 (three years ago)

#703 is in pittsburgh, a 2-run HR that barely cleared the wall in the left-field corner. it puts him ahead of Babe Ruth in RBIs with 2,216, second only to Hank Aaron.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:05 (three years ago)

Was surprised at first he didn't join Judge as player of the month, but yeah, Escobar was the better choice.

― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:32 (three years ago)

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