18/34.5*162 = 85
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)
Krukow surmised that Ruth's lack of automatic doubles was because stadiums had not warning tracks; instead, the balls had to bounce off of grass. Then the play-by-play guy who went to Stanford (STATHEAD OMG) deep-sixed this theory, because plenty of other chumps were hitting ground-rule homers.
― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)
Couldn't it just as easily have been someone from Japan or Cuba or wherever else? Babe Ruth is the greatest hitter in the history of Major League Baseball, whether you compare him to his era OR whether you take his stats alone.Yes, it was rhetorical. Martin Dihigo was a Cuban player who played all eight field positions at a high rate and was a slightly-below-great pitcher as well. Pop Lloyd, Oscar Charleston, etc. etc. etc. - there
Josh Gibson never played Major League Baseball, and neither did, say, Saduhara Oh. Saduhara Oh played against allegedly watered down players, but so did Josh Gibson. If Gibson played in the major leagues, there's no way to know whether he would have hit 400 home runs for his career or 800.That's why I said we 'could be'. What we do know is that the talent pool for both players was more questionable than the one facing Pujols or Bonds (and, I mean, there are questions about whether the stars of the 1920s could even get on the field with modern athletes).
Another thing to remember is that Negro League players were often playing in leftover deadball era parks, and none of them played in parks that were tailor-made to their abilities (ala Ruth's porch in Yankee Stadium, the Red Sox pulling in left field 10-15 feet to benefit Ted Williams).
Japanese records are significantly more detailed than Negro League (or even older MLB) records, so we do have a fairly competent way to translate Sadahuru Oh and other players' stats. From what I've read, Oh would certainly be a Hall of Fame hitter, but nowhere near the greatest ever. Shigeo Nagashima is less famous but equally respected by Japanese players/fans/historians.
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:22 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)
i mean sports are serious business now and conditioning is superior and just general societal lifestyle things make a difference, but wasn't baseball pretty much the only true major league sport in the days of the babe?
look at at all the competition baseball faces now from football, hoops, soccer and to some extent, hockey and lax (to the extent that there are thousands of kids who may never play baseball b/c lax season conflicts).
i'm not saying that the talent pool is weak now, but baseball had pretty free range over things for a while.
― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:52 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)
― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)
I will enthrall and delight all of you with my fascinating observations in a week or so. I am leaving the keys to the ILB office with Barry and Felicity. Be easy on them!
Steve ShastaEast Coast Wakeboarding Representative
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 23:52 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 May 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:51 (twenty years ago)
1. Albert Pujols STL .362 35.22. Nick Johnson WAS .326 17.73. Lance Berkman HOU .316 17.44. Nomar Garciaparra LAN .337 16.75. Carlos Delgado NYN .305 15.7
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:58 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 22 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)
Okay, the title of the chart is "Projected All-time HR Leaders using Baseball Prospectus' PECOTA Forecasting Tool":
1. Barry Bonds - 7652. Hank Aaron - 7553. Babe Ruth - 7144. Alex Rodriguez - 6785. Willie Mays - 6606. Adam Dunn - 6387. Ken Griffey Jr. - 6378. Albert Pujols - 6209. Manny Ramirez - 58910. Sammy Sosa - 588
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:28 (twenty years ago)
Albert Pujols article: Albert is the new, clean face of baseball heroes. Albert upset about any steroid allegations, upset at his disputed age allegations. Meanwhile, he's on pace to shatter a record that only Evil, cheating steroid abusers (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa) have been able to accomplish!
Barry Bonds: Increasingly poor production (.971 OPS?), agonizing march to overtake Ruth (3 HRs in 4 weeks of April vs. 3 HRs in 3 weeks of May to date!?!?!?), more of Verducci's declining and agonizing analysis.
Justin Gaitlin: FASTEST MAN ON THE PLANET!!! Meet the brand new 100m world record holder!!! Never mind that he tested positive for PEDs 3 years ago and received and served a year suspension!!!! Nevermind that his trainer and coach is the man who first was caught with an HGH/BALCO affiliated designer steroid syringe, setting off a wave of baseball-centric federal drug investigation... Nevermind all that, boy is this guy fast!!!
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:26 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)
― otto midnight (otto midnight), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)
Also Adam Dunn has got to be one of the greatest power hitters of all time.
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:39 (twenty years ago)
I'm wondering how Teixeira fares, if he signs long-term to play in the AL Coors.
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 22 May 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)
Dunn is the true three outcomes master: K, BB, HR.
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)
Darryl Strawberry (927) Reggie Jackson (926) * Jose Canseco (918) Troy Glaus (909) Tom Brunansky (902) Juan Gonzalez (901) Boog Powell (901) Rocky Colavito (891) Tony Conigliaro (890) Harmon Killebrew (883) *
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:22 (twenty years ago)
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)
IIRC, Boog is one of PECOTA's top comparables (as are Killer and Glaus)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Monday, 22 May 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)
― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Friday, 26 May 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)
Pujols is a month and a day ahead of Babe Ruth's pace.
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:23 (twenty years ago)
Comparing to Sosa/McGwire 1998 or Bonds 2001 is more revealing. I think he's ahead of everyone's pace though.
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:38 (twenty years ago)
25/51*162 = 79.41
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:50 (twenty years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)
I should say -- (Winfield?)
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 24 September 2022 18:11 (three years ago)
beltre i recognized, but winfield was driving me nuts because I also recognized him and just could not remember his name
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 24 September 2022 18:11 (three years ago)
after a 2-run double, pujols is now one RBI behind babe ruth for second place all-time. strangely, baseball reference has babe ruth with 2214 RBIs while fangraphs shows 2217 RBIs? albert has 2213.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 18:53 (three years ago)
he hits a HR, his 702nd, in his final game in St. Louis (three more follow in Pittsburgh), and ties Ruth with 2214 RBIs as well, behind only Hank Aaron.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:40 (three years ago)
what a moment
https://i.imgur.com/SVHsany.png
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:46 (three years ago)
I was thinking the way he’s been hitting, he must’ve been having *some* decent success against right handed pitching, but wow those platoon splits are something else. Albert on the Cards playing at Coors Field 2006 vs Albert on the Angels 2020 basically.
― omar little, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:48 (three years ago)
check out the guy at the top falling over with a beer
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 October 2022 19:53 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/By5XARC.png
#703 is in pittsburgh, a 2-run HR that barely cleared the wall in the left-field corner. it puts him ahead of Babe Ruth in RBIs with 2,216, second only to Hank Aaron.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:05 (three years ago)
Was surprised at first he didn't join Judge as player of the month, but yeah, Escobar was the better choice.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 October 2022 00:32 (three years ago)