monochromes and hard edged abstraction

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is it ok if I find little of worth in the work of rothko

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

the herrera one is p dope, am a big mondrian fan 2

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://hirshhorn.si.edu/dynamic/press/image_334.jpg

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:07 (eight years ago) Permalink

not convinced by these last few, latest one isn't bad I guess

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess rothko isn't really this - he tends to be fuzzy-edged

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:09 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.variantmedia.co.nz/seek/P-Halley.jpg

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:10 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's more fucking like it

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:11 (eight years ago) Permalink

is that blank one Tom Friedman's 1,000 Hours of Staring?

another solid, respectable round of resluts (crüt), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:12 (eight years ago) Permalink

no, but great idea xp! thats robert ryman, he has only painted white paintings for his whole career

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:13 (eight years ago) Permalink

In my brief career as a wannabe abstract artist, I perpetrated some of this kind of stuff myself...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4141/4854653850_a5b9e27160.jpg

ninjas and lasers and gold and (snoball), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://greg.org/archive/mary_meyer_1974_aam.jpg

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.corcoran.org/collection/images/1969.38.jpg

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

no, but great idea xp! thats robert ryman, he has only painted white paintings for his whole career

ah yeah now I see some slight texture/grayness in the picture

another solid, respectable round of resluts (crüt), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:25 (eight years ago) Permalink

I was going to be all "how did I miss this thread!" but then realized it's only 25 minutes old.

"One Frank Stella plz" "FUCK YOU YOU FORMALIST SCUM" (EDB), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:26 (eight years ago) Permalink

tbh this is the thread ive always wanted to make

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:28 (eight years ago) Permalink

tiarnan from that alt-test-card one (the one u posted at 20 mins past) onwards these have been infinitely doper than the ones at the start of this thread - can u explain why maybe?

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

there are some really hideous Frank Stellas up at SFMoMA right now

Rauschenberg's Erased DeKooning is something i will perpetually find funny

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn - Bernard (sarahel), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:33 (eight years ago) Permalink

rodrigo andrade deserves to be better known btw

http://www.escolasaopaulo.org/atividades/art-tour-navarro-correas/image

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

herrera/halley apart obv

that last one is neat but I do not think I understand it yet

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

LJ i have no idea. for one thing that yellow richard aldrich is so awesome to me.

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:36 (eight years ago) Permalink

The OP ones were quite good tbf

"one Lamb Ceylon plz" "FUCK YOU COLONIALIST SCUM" (acoleuthic), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:42 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is one of my favourite things abt the erased de kooning i have ever read (ex ilxor anth0ny east0n)

and the erased de kooning--the erased dekooning had a holiness unmatched, all of that mysticism, of trying to erase, and failing to erase, and the weird freudian energy of recreating the primal scene there, and the making of work via absences, and how absences are presences, and how tender, he worked on making sure that drawing disappared, how the amount of tools for erasal were matched by the amount of tools of creation...

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:44 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://donchristensen.com/images/SouthOfThePark01.jpg

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:45 (eight years ago) Permalink

also EDB <3. that installation view of stations of the cross was the only image included w/ my thesis.

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

and he went through 40 erasers doing it too!

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

Xpost that is.

And re: Stations of the Cross: totally. I entirely think that Barnett Newman is the greatest painter ever. Just look how badass he is here:

http://www.npg.org.uk:8080/irvingpenn/images/bn.jpg

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

oo i like that one who is it

LA river flood (lukas), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah but most of these guys are completely essential imo

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

I've never really got Peter Halley. granted I don't know anything about him, but aesthetically I find his works to be kind of off putting. I can't not think of the square tool in MSpaint when I see his works (although they probably look a lot better in person when they're more than a few inches in size).

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:52 (eight years ago) Permalink

i guess thats the point tho?

plax (ico), Monday, 2 August 2010 20:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

ellsworth kelly is pretty unbelievable tbh

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 15:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

This Aldrich painting really reminds me of Guston's mid-period work:

http://www.bortolamigallery.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/aldrich_7.jpg

Janet Privacy Control (corey), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 15:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

not hard-edged, obv.

Janet Privacy Control (corey), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 15:51 (eight years ago) Permalink

plax, can you talk a bit about where something might or might not be called hard edged? is it as simple as it might suggest, i.e. minimum of colours, simplest geometry, etc etc. i'd been reading about it online just a few days before finding this thread, but i couldn't find any helpful definitions. could Tomma Abts be hard-edged, for example? or would it kind of redundant to split hairs on such differences now?

Tomma Abts
http://re-title.com/public/mailimages/November08-painting/Tomma-Abts.jpg

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:21 (eight years ago) Permalink

that's probably not the best example from her work. i'm guessing not, anyway.

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:23 (eight years ago) Permalink

This style has an almost intellectual approach, as compared to the spontaneous and emotional approach seen in Abstract Expressionism. Hard-edge paintings reflect calculated and impersonal feel. These paintings sometimes seem machine generated, owing to their being very precise and explicitly expression in the form of straight lines.
Frank Stella aptly described the Hard-edge painting style by saying, "What you see is what you see."

that'll do. as you were...

gnarly sceptre, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:38 (eight years ago) Permalink

yeah i guess the simplest definition of hard edged abstraction is that it requires clean transitions from one area of flat colour to the next. I guess its seen as being paradigmatic of modernism, that it somehow inherently expresses something about painting in its purest form. Obv I think this is pretty problematic when you look at its origins in russian constructivism or the bauhaus where there it obviously shares a history w/ graphic design or its reappropriation or subversion later gens including (arguably) eg. Abts or even in its Post-Painterly Abstraction heyday when someone like Ellsworth Kelly seemed to be making things that were highly coded w/ a Pop sensibility. I think this thread is a better history though because it is images.

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 16:54 (eight years ago) Permalink

Ellsworth Kelly is my favorite painter ever.

I DIED, Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

Re: Ellsworth Kelley love: OTM!

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:47 (eight years ago) Permalink

My favourite work of his was already posted, but what the hay:

http://liannemscott.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/ellsworth_kelly_spectrum-vi-in-13-parts.jpg

I'm banishing you to a time warp from which you will never return (EDB), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:48 (eight years ago) Permalink

yah better img tho!

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

prize for most wtf omission so far goes to ruth root btw

http://www.contemporaryartdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/RUTH_ROOT_002-500x333.jpg

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

i mean for real

http://www.hmorikawa.com/RR1.jpg

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 August 2010 17:56 (eight years ago) Permalink

so the barnett newman from the OP has been in the art press a lot lately bc of the controversy over the director of the national gallery of canada. this "secret history" essay from greg.org is hilarious and really interesting. good read.

http://greg.org/archive/2010/08/18/voice_of_the_taxpayer_1990_by_john_czupryniak.html

plax (ico), Friday, 20 August 2010 22:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

Lately, as in like, this year?

If you study art history in Canada, as I do, you hear about the VOF controversy non-stop. I actually had a class once that was solely dedicated to it.

Garth December, virulent food critic (EDB), Tuesday, 24 August 2010 23:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Subtitles kind of ruin it, but you get the picture.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVaC3XKSi5M&feature=related

EDB, Tuesday, 21 September 2010 15:53 (eight years ago) Permalink

A spot of Palazuelo iydm

http://www.artenovance.com/images/lithographie-estampe-originale-pablo-palazuelo-03_460.jpg

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:17 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://www.artespain.com/wp-content/uploads/palazuelo2.jpg

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:18 (eight years ago) Permalink

missing notable ilx poster plaxico

Matt P, Wednesday, 29 September 2010 19:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

Lately, as in like, this year?

If you study art history in Canada, as I do, you hear about the VOF controversy non-stop. I actually had a class once that was solely dedicated to it.

― Garth December, virulent food critic (EDB), Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:01 PM (1 month ago)

i didn't mean the voices of fire controversy was recent. there have been calls for the director of the museum to resign and shit in the last year. its been all over the blogs. every country has a public uproar over meaningless modern art controversy (cf. the tate and equivalent vii for eg.) but the greg.org thing is really funny.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 01:01 (eight years ago) Permalink

not so much that somebody "did their own newman" there's always some db, but the critical reception.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 01:02 (eight years ago) Permalink

thats been bothering me. btw i'm going to this show tomorrow:

http://calgaryculture.com/content/softcore-hard-edge

plax (ico), Tuesday, 5 October 2010 01:03 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwCOn5q5QYc

plax (ico), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 14:35 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwCOn5q5QYc

plax (ico), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 16:29 (eight years ago) Permalink

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo305/lejospopo/2633d783.jpg

sherrie levine

plax (ico), Wednesday, 10 November 2010 23:08 (eight years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGwbGjbtjQQ&feature

plax (ico), Thursday, 11 November 2010 04:50 (eight years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Ok wow this thread. I think I'm getting really into this sort of stuff.

cowboy bibimbap (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 24 December 2010 00:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

how have i just now seen this thread??

oOoOO on the TLC tip (donna rouge), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

http://www.kuttnersiebert.de/artists/haggerty/pics/haggerty2010/hagg10-002.jpg

what the fuck who is this tell me everything about this

vienn?tta (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 27 January 2011 15:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

http://boldongrey.at/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/gerwald_rockenschaub_01.jpg

Gerwald Rockenschaub

plax (ico), Monday, 14 February 2011 22:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec_9zr8whTw

plax (ico), Monday, 11 April 2011 11:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

I love plax. Also this thread. Also monochromes and hard edged abstraction.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Xpost: I saw Ray Gun Virus at the MOMA a few days ago. Absolutely mesmerizing. I love Sharits, and seeing his work in person, projected in full size, and in a dark room, with the sound of the projector there, is a totally different (i.e. much more affective) experience.

EDB, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also, really like these Glenn Ligon text-monochromes:

http://www.moma.org/images/dynamic_content/exhibition_page/25952.jpg

EDB, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

This is a much better image:

http://whitney.org/image_columns/0029/1753/stop-313_446.jpg

EDB, Monday, 9 May 2011 23:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

moma is where i saw ray gun virus too! totally amazing to me, really blew me away, was completely unaware of sharits before. Im working on a zine that im calling monochromes and each issue will have a different theme but the theme will always relate to the monochrome. Love those glenn ligon ones and i was gonna maybe do the next issue all about him. reading derrida for the first time and i always feel like, even though i've never really read much by derrida, that he's always on the periphery (lol) of how i think about things so, idk this sense of the palimpsest but also the raw remainder. like its so haunted by ab-ex, this all over abstraction but also explicitly textual and unearthing the implicitly textual in ab-ex, the guston-like skin: wounded, scarred, pillaged, and marked. and like blackness and racism and history and all that

but yeah monochromes especially have been on my mind a lot recently, also been thinking about certain lawrence wiener pieces in relation to this eg.

"Three minutes of forty-pound pressure spray of white highway paint upon a well-tended lawn
The lawn is allowed to grow and not tended until the grass is free of all vestiges of white highway paint"

and how that sort of simultaneously elides and converges w/ how i would think of say ellsworth kelly and the relationship w/e the optical, the immersive, the formal and the textual.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

also this guy matys thursz that i came across in new york at the jewish museum:

"Ashes and Dust (1986-89) is part of Frederic Matys Thursz's series, Elegia Judaica, and serves as a memorial to his uncle Jakob Gutglas, who died in Dachau, and to other victims of the Nazis. Despite its monochromatic nature, the painting features the artist's complex palette and his method of glazing, scraping, and sometimes burning his medium. To create Ashes and Dust, Thursz (2930-1992) performed what he considered a a highly symbolic act: he charred organic material that he then used for his leaden-tone pigments. The artist once explained that the work was inspired by profoundly felt memories of his uncle: "I know that his ashes become my pigment, that his blood legacy is my . . . medium, and that his elegy is now my coherence.""

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

I mean this idea of the pure physical and the purely metaphysical and how they come into contact and this kindof eucaristic relationship between the two and like the idea of meaning coming about by a kindof transubstantiation is a pretty big part of the way i think about these things. btw dude is a balls to google but im hoping to do a bit of proper research as soon as i have dece library access, maybe gonna try and get a reading pass at the british library.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 May 2011 22:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

So I think I'm gonna try to write a thesis vaguely about this. I.e. not this per se so much as postmodern appropriations of post-painterly abstraction/minimal art, particularly vis a vis identity politics (a la FGT, Ligon, Roni Horn, etc.) so I encourage everyone to post relevant pictures to inspire me so I can write a good proposal and get funding! (is it worth making a separate ILE thread for this?)

EDB, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 20:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

also edb im writing something at the moment about this too. wolfgang tillman's monochrome photographs are really interesting in this regard, you know the idea of the the pure sensuality of the undifferentiated colour field standing in for the negated image. and they're shiny, you can see yourself reflected in them. im thinking about queer abstraction, and how the appropriation of minimalism/high modernism is a kind of recoding or "passing" (FGT is so explicit about this, but yeah ligon and horn as well) and how that kindof passing has to exist in relation to the queer and the homophobic gaze. so its about fleeting glances. this is why i think there's a case to be made for ellsworth kelly as a queer artist. people talk about him as a really french painter because for him modernism begins with impressionism instead of most american painters where cubism is the axis, one way or the other .shit even like dan graham and richard serra are about bodies in space, space fragmenting; paul mccarthy is about the violence of gesture; kelly is about snatching glimpses reflected in the subway window, refracted light, the instantaneity of the image and how that renders it barely decipherable. i feel like the opacity of his surfaces have more to do with photography (light bouncing off an object or something) and how that fraction of a second is all you need looking back over your shoulder and making eye contact on rue st. honoré.

℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 13 July 2011 21:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

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