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do u believe in it? why or why not?

The Reverend, Friday, 12 September 2008 00:00 (fourteen years ago) link

No. Because as far as I believe in anything, it's in Judaism - and hell doesn't really exist in Judaism. (We do have a version of purgatory, though.)

Mordy, Friday, 12 September 2008 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Now, I don't really know that much about Jewish theology, so what is Jewish Purgatory like?

The Reverend, Friday, 12 September 2008 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Mostly it's about feeling guilty before the sweet release of death.

ian, Friday, 12 September 2008 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

note that i don't know anything about jewish theology.

ian, Friday, 12 September 2008 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link


The Reverend, Friday, 12 September 2008 02:30 (fourteen years ago) link


Jewish purgatory (known as Gehenna) is a place you go to after you die to "cleanse" your soul before admission to Heaven. It's not a place of punishment.

Mordy, Friday, 12 September 2008 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link

How does this cleansing work? Hopefully not colonics.

Abbott, Friday, 12 September 2008 03:35 (fourteen years ago) link

A warm soul-shower before heaven sounds like a good deal.

peace, love, and ban deeznuts (The Reverend), Friday, 12 September 2008 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Depends on who you ask, Abbott. Classically, you are cleansed by being burnt in rivers of fire. Tho Chassidic philosophy says that it's through being humiliated by your sins. So... Defending Your Life'esque.

Mordy, Friday, 12 September 2008 04:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I believe it's a dreary empty place where no-one ever posts.

The Real Slim Whitman (Noodle Vague), Friday, 12 September 2008 08:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Conceptually, it's just a moral Naughty Step for kids (and kid-like adults) until they learn the golden rule/categorical imperative.

In real terms, it's very clearly Other People (At Breakfast).

Our Friend The Atom (Masonic Boom), Friday, 12 September 2008 08:57 (fourteen years ago) link

hell is for children

PappaWheelie V, Saturday, 13 September 2008 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

save the babies

The Juan MacCain (The Reverend), Saturday, 13 September 2008 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Jewish purgatory (known as Gehenna) is a place you go to after you die to "cleanse" your soul before admission to Heaven. It's not a place of punishment.

Yep. That's what ILM is for.

Ack! (Ioannis), Monday, 15 September 2008 10:05 (fourteen years ago) link

woah! ioannis is back!

jay-z on old (The Reverend), Monday, 15 September 2008 12:06 (fourteen years ago) link

heh...hi, y'all

Ack! (Ioannis), Monday, 15 September 2008 12:17 (fourteen years ago) link


So far as we can tell from Scripture, the present hell, is somewhere in the heart of the earth itself. It is also called 'the pit' (Isa. 14:9, 15: Ezek. 32:18-21) and 'the abyss' (Rev. 9:2). . .
The writers certainly themselves believed hell to be real and geographically 'beneath' the earth's surface. . .
To say this is not scientific is to assume science knows much more about the earth's interior than is actually the case. The great 'pit' [hell] would only need to be about 100 miles or less in diameter to contain, with much room to spare, all the forty billion or so people who have ever lived, assuming their 'spiritual' bodies are the same size as their physical bodies.

==つ~~~(o)(o) (libcrypt), Tuesday, 16 September 2008 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...
one year passes...

oh hell no

ḉrut (crüt), Thursday, 2 May 2013 17:58 (nine years ago) link

I send all child molesters and rapists into hell to include my guilty priests.
Explore and discover the many gifts of apparitions that god has sent for your spiritual guidance,enjoyment and enrichment,for as in gods Pieta Prayer book,great are the heavenly treasures within these gifts.
Pray the holy rosary for world peace and for all of Gods children to pray the holy rosary.
Here is a blessing and a our father prayed just for you,and here is a loving hug from Jesus christ for all of Gods children
the holy apostle james the greater

2 years ago

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:13 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Think we should poll this? So far contenders for next track-by-track thread are:


I'm sure I left a bunch out.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, October 18, 2013 8:46 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Friday, 18 October 2013 20:53 (nine years ago) link


Nationwide Festival of Light Bondage (wins), Friday, 18 October 2013 21:02 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

this scenario probably won't come up, but if...

- hell exists
- heaven exists
- god exists
- you die
- you are kind of good, kind of bad during your life
- somehow you are sentenced to 5 trillion earthyears in hell, but are allowed to spend the remainder of your time in heaven

... then as your attorney i recommend that you negotiate a settlement where you generally spend your time in heaven, and then every quadrillion years you spend a millisecond in hell. it will take (1 quadrillion x 1000 x 5 trillion years) to serve your full sentence in hell, but it's way easier to do it that way then to serve all the hell time first before going to heaven full-time.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 February 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

yes, hell. the place of eternal suffering, or a mirror of inception?

zxf, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:37 (eight years ago) link

A friend wrote this long piece on the current state of hell: http://thepointmag.com/2014/examined-life/hell

lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 13 March 2015 17:40 (eight years ago) link

keep me updated sir, i am on my last leg

zxf, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link

i always imagine it as a 4chan version of that clip from the eminem video, where he is writhing, but i think that is a psychographical issue

zxf, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:46 (eight years ago) link

the eminem video superman, where he is writhing in a field of girls

zxf, Friday, 13 March 2015 17:47 (eight years ago) link

i could deal with hell except for Joan Rivers

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 March 2015 17:49 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

Adhering to Jesus' commandments (Matthew 19:16-22) is easy enough, so why worry about Hell?

Wes Brodicus, Friday, 30 March 2018 08:45 (four years ago) link

I thought Hell and purgatory were invented or at least more popularised in around teh 12th century to help line the coffers of teh church. They could then talk the populace into buying indulgences to reduce the time that they or loved ones/relatives spent in at least purgatory.
It also helps create the us vs them epistemology where the them are bound for hell because they don't maintain the beliefs, habits morés of those that constitute the 'us' who are bound for salvation. So helps bind people together in the co9ntemporary culture.

Also once protestanism comes in those who work hard in this life are bound for greater comfort in the next world so you need something to threaten those who don't go along with that idea with.

Stevolende, Friday, 30 March 2018 09:09 (four years ago) link

oh god he's gone universalist on us

no wait this is even crazier than universalism

he's saying that hitler just, you know, vanished?

as for matthew 19:16-22, francis is a pretty outspoken advocate of jesus' advice in those verses...

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:19 (four years ago) link

idk a lot of Biblical scholars have claimed "Hell" is a mistranslation of "sheol" (which should really mean "grave") and that bad souls are merely extinguished rather than forced through the spatial nightmare of Hell.

Bart Ehrman writes some interesting musings across his several books on the matter.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:25 (four years ago) link

it just strikes me as kind of weird that the goal of all human existence in buddhism is what happens by default to the worst people in the world in certain strains of christian thought

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:45 (four years ago) link

tbh living forever in any form sounds like Hell to me so Buddhism otm

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:46 (four years ago) link

right, i mean absent the curse of the survival instinct no so-called "heaven" could ever tempt me to reject the gift of nonbeing. i feel like francis and i aren't exactly on the same page here.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 30 March 2018 13:59 (four years ago) link

six months pass...

Hi I'm Satan https://t.co/rbpoSaSlCR

— Iggle piggle (@1gglepiggle) October 1, 2018

mark s, Monday, 1 October 2018 13:36 (four years ago) link

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