Harmony Korine: C/D

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There's been a decent amount of reference to Harmony Korine films, but no thread just about him. What are your feelings?

I'll start it--I think he's a better director than a writer; his collaborations with Larry Clark have done nothing but tarnish his reputation. He's constantly associated with "Kids" and "Ken Park", so I think he's thought of by many as "the guy who makes perverted films about teenagers".

In his own films, while youth & sexuality are themes, he doesn't overtly use them in the pedophillic manner that Clark does. "Gummo" and "Julien-Donkey Boy" were both incredibly brave & daringly original films, in both content and style.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, 24 December 2004 14:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I fell asleep during a screening of jdb, so I can't really say much, except that he really doesn't do it for me. For some reason, as a person, I find him extremely annoying, though I can't rationally say why.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 24 December 2004 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Vincent Gallo is the biggest piece of shit that ever walked this earth, but I still respect his films.

Julien Donkey-Boy is probably my favorite narrative film of the century so far.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 25 December 2004 03:07 (fifteen years ago) link

chloe sevigny's ice-skating scene in julien donkey-boy is PERFECT. i want to live in that part...up until the...uh, yeah. and it's been ages since i've seen gummo - friend dubbed me a VHS copy several years ago, watched it only once - but i seem to remember liking it well enough. can't really comment on his public persona but i get the feeling that it's one of those less-i-know-the-better type deals. (didn't v. gallo call him something along the lines of a "date-raping faggot?")

(i feel like i should be ashamed of the fact that i liked kids a great deal, but somehow, i'm not.)

joseph (joseph), Saturday, 25 December 2004 05:45 (fifteen years ago) link

the ice skating scene in julien donkey boy IS perfect until the you-know-what. there were so many moments of understated beauty and humour in the film thus far, i just felt that kind of narrative sucker-punch was totally uneccessary.it was affecting, sure, but so was so much other stuf in a much deeper, richer way.

i think gummo and julien ddonkey boy are both great.i love it when the guy who owns the hardware store or whatever in gummo looks at the camera.and the black metal

David Steans, Saturday, 25 December 2004 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

has anyone seen the david blaine thing he did? i heard its really good, and the soundtrack is slint. i was gonna get it but i think the dvd may be only europe region code. also, i read something gossippy recently that he was at a film festival meeting with financiers for his next project. wonder what it is.
a couple years ago, i read crackup at the race riots and loved it. especially the letter he wrote, taking the pov of tupac.
i think gummo is amazing, especially the part where this guy is talking about the only way out of the industrial minimum wage cycle is suicide, punctuated by images from that old slayer video.
how hilarious is werner herzog in jdb

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Sunday, 26 December 2004 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link

i agree that the skating rink/miscarriage think was more than a bit superfluous. I would say that it might be studio pressure to squeeze a dramatic, linear narrative out of a blissfully disjointed story, but I doubt it--Korine tends to have these types of flaws in his writing. He goes for the easy, obvious way out far too often.

Herzog was briliant in JDB as the Robo-head, Dock Boggs-listening father--"Be a man....be a winner.....winners don't shiver".

The haircut scene with the super-high shutter and Oval soundtrack is one of the most beautiful images I've ever seen, especially in a feature-length narrative.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Sunday, 26 December 2004 20:51 (fifteen years ago) link

alot of gummo hasnt aged very well

chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 27 December 2004 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link

"I like something like dirty harry. I dont like the artsy fartsy....I dont like it."

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Monday, 27 December 2004 07:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"I like something like dirty harry. I dont like the artsy fartsy....I dont like it. In fact I think I hated his poem."

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Monday, 27 December 2004 07:42 (fifteen years ago) link

haha yeah search werner herzog as julien's papa

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

'I don't like this moody brooding.'

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't imagine any other director who could have pulled that film off. The scene with Julien in the bathtub and in the basement with the gun is something that Lynn Ramsey couldn't dream of doing.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 16:44 (fifteen years ago) link

perhaps but 'ratcatcher' is something harmony korine plain couldn't achieve. so.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 16:48 (fifteen years ago) link

actually who knows, that was a low blow. alls I know = ratcatcher >>>>>>>> julien donkey-boy. and jdb is a good good film. sorry I'm not helping am I.

cºzen (Cozen), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

i thought "ratcatcher" was a decent film, but nowhere near as powerful, or as innovative, as JDB. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

"Movern Callar" was a piece of shit, BTW.

jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link

oh yes it was.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 01:27 (fifteen years ago) link

if youre a harm fan you already know about this probably, but check out the art exhibit he did for agnes b. its on agnesb.com in the exhibitions. really good black metal and race pathology sketches, with faces and body parts erased (with an actual pencil eraser, like the character in ken park who kills his grandparents. was that character something larry clark inserted to mock korine?)
then theres another part on her website, where korine gives lists of recommended music films and books, amongst them, cassvetes' great Husbands (has there been a cassavetes thread before?)

Mitchell Saulsberry (divineintoxicant), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 07:35 (fifteen years ago) link

is korine still even making films? im sure i read somewhere he was through with it. the jokes project sounded fascinating, is that scrapped now?

David Steans, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

So. Mister Lonely...

It's been a while and this looks very ambitious even for Korine. The shots of the nuns I've seen look amazing.

I know, right?, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

Way more interesting than his films though I think are the books he's done (Pass the Bitch Chicken, Crackup at the Race Riots and The Bad Son) That is if I could ever get my hands on a copy of one.

I know, right?, Tuesday, 9 October 2007 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

whole swatches of Mister Lonely are kinda unbearable (any scene btwn Luna and Morton), but there's some amazing stuff like the nuns and Werner Herzog's grouchy priest.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 17 October 2009 20:59 (ten years ago) link

how are "the collected fanzines"?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 21 October 2009 01:51 (ten years ago) link

Has anyone seen Trash Humpers? I get to check it out on Tuesday. Not really sure what to expect...

It's-a not so bad (jeff), Sunday, 1 November 2009 20:23 (ten years ago) link


looks like a paul mccarthy/mike kelley joint based on the trailer

luol deng (am0n), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:10 (ten years ago) link

kinda looks like it has a lot of the stuff i love and don't really enjoy bout korine

plaks (I know, right?), Monday, 2 November 2009 18:16 (ten years ago) link

haha i'm tired

It's-a not so bad (jeff), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 08:14 (ten years ago) link

how was it

luol deng (am0n), Thursday, 5 November 2009 15:40 (ten years ago) link

it's pretty much what you would expect. entertaining and funny in parts. the trash humping falls pretty flat after the first scene. it feels a little long at 78 minutes but still doable. i would check it out if you get the chance but don't go out of your way to see it.

i'm a little disappointed that korine doesn't deliver on the found footage / quasi snuff film hype. i dont know how he thought he could achieve that vibe with goofballs in old men masks fucking empty recycling bins.

It's-a not so bad (jeff), Friday, 6 November 2009 16:35 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

Just saw Trash Humpers. I liked it, but I can see how you could watch it and be real bored by it. It's an like ambient chillwave version of "Gummo".

Beach Pomade (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 26 July 2010 14:06 (ten years ago) link

four months pass...

i'm a little disappointed that korine doesn't deliver on the found footage / quasi snuff film hype.

― It's-a not so bad (jeff), Friday, November 6, 2009 11:35 AM

that didn't work at all. had a few lols throughout. "make it make it don't fake it"

old man yells at cloud computing (am0n), Thursday, 23 December 2010 18:30 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

I know I'm a foreigner and all but I actually think Harmony Korine is kind of an American Treasure

Takeshi Kitteno (admrl), Friday, 23 September 2011 21:57 (nine years ago) link

That said I mostly hated Mister Lonely

Takeshi Kitteno (admrl), Friday, 23 September 2011 21:59 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

just saw this on the scala forever facebook group (for those of you in london)-


gummo and trash humpers double-screening (from video rather than dvd!). im going just cos i still havent seen trash humpers, but have this weird urge to. and well, id rather see it with other people than at home.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Sunday, 23 October 2011 22:08 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

trash humpers is so unpleasant, the vandalism gets boring after five minutes and then it turns bitter and depressing. it's an anti-gummo with 'old' people and death instead of crazy youth, almost horror. have your last fun week before killing yourself thing. really cool proto-witch-house aesthetics. kids still a total classic. haven't seen JDB. the one with the mexican guy was OK but so cute ugh.

the new one looks fun let's hope it's not a mister lonely feelgood stuff pt 2.

wolves lacan, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:59 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Americana goes rancid in writer/director Harmony Korine's tale of three elderly cretins who brutalize dolls, molest fauna, and force themselves on garbage cans.

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, 4 November 2012 20:36 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

molest fauna

yellow jacket (spazzmatazz), Sunday, 24 March 2013 20:38 (seven years ago) link

seven months pass...


but in all/some seriousness, just watched Trash Humpers and I felt like it reeked of bad faith with regards to its rural wasteland US of A setting- everytime the local color folks had a chance to just talk / be, it achieved a certain liftoff, but when the Humpers were muttering their monologues about "sensing the pain of all these people who live out here" it just reeked of coastal condescension towards the flyover zones it fetishizes and abjects. Seeing the female Trash Humper go into her yoga poses, you could just tell that behind the prosthetics there was somebody's precious pampered darling pretend slumming for lolz. It's like he redid "Gummo" but based it all on the smashing stuff scene, but without any actual characters or sense of place/space it just comes off as somebody reheating the leftovers of their earlier hit. Eh.

the tune was space, Monday, 4 November 2013 05:46 (six years ago) link

five years pass...

there's a korine retrospective here and i was considering going to see trash humpers (which I've never seen)

also maybe julien donkey-boy which I've never seen on the big screen

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:05 (one year ago) link

Vincent Gallo is the biggest piece of shit that ever walked this earth, but I still respect his films.
Julien Donkey-Boy is probably my favorite narrative film of the century so far.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Friday, December 24, 2004 7:07 PM (thirteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

remember how bad of a poster this guy was.

ended up getting the ban hammer for being racist or something too lol

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:05 (one year ago) link

"my favourite narrative film of the century so far"

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:06 (one year ago) link

trash humpers prob the worst thing i've ever seen. i kinda wanna see julien donkeyboy

flopson, Friday, 9 November 2018 00:26 (one year ago) link

All you need, really:

Impersonating Herzog and calling someone a moody brooder is one of life's great joys.

Ham Beats All Meat! (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 November 2018 00:37 (one year ago) link

A winnah doesn't shivah

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 9 November 2018 18:43 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

he has a new one coming out in March

flappy bird, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:32 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

Why if Justin Trudeau wore any more blackface he'd be a Harmony Korine gallery show from the turn of the millennium!

— ℑ 𝔇𝔬𝔫'𝔱 𝔅𝔩𝔞𝔪𝔢 𝔜𝔬𝔲 (@NickPinkerton) September 19, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 September 2019 19:49 (one year ago) link

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