― piscesboy, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 23:08 (seventeen years ago) link
worst fucking movie i have ever seen.
― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― TheRealJMod (TheRealJMod), Thursday, 22 July 2004 11:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Thursday, 22 July 2004 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Vic (Vic), Friday, 23 July 2004 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― j e r e m y (x Jeremy), Friday, 23 July 2004 15:25 (seventeen years ago) link
i think fellini is a complete original, a true visionary, and there are very few of his films that I couldn't recommend. If it wasn't for Fellini, we wouldn't have David Lynch, Terry Gilliam, Tim Burton, Wim Wenders, etc. and Woody Allen's "Stardust Memories" (one of his finest films, in my HO) would never have been made.
"8 1/2" is the film that made me decide I wanted to be a filmmaker. Enough said.
"La Dolce Vita" is incredible, a wonderful study of decadence and celebrity, the charms and lures, the shallowness and excess, etc. Far before it's time in the exploration of "paparazzi" (the term paparazzi actually got it's name from a character in La Dolce Vita).
I can't agree at all with todd swiss' dismissal of "juliet of the spirits". it's an incredibly creative and dreamlike film, and one of the strongest and most daring exploration of female empowerment and sexual liberation that came out of the '60's. It's one of the most visionary works ever, a truly bold and brilliant piece of filmmaking.
His early works are like a combo of Rossellini and Bunuel, surrealist neorealism (a wonderful contradiction of terms). "La Strada" is one of the saddest, most beautifully simple films I have ever viewed. "I Vitelloni" is brutally honest, hillariously funny and incredibly insightful at the same time.
And then there's "Amarcord", which is one of the warmest, most beautifully nostalgic films I have ever seen.
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 24 July 2004 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― piscesboy, Saturday, 24 July 2004 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link
j e r e m y otm (first post). utter shit, all of it (as are most itialian films and most of italian culture in fact). -- jed_ (colin_o_har...), July 23rd, 2004 12:36 AM.
Ebert has said about some movies that by disliking them you only demonstrate your own filmic ignorance rather than any fault in the movie itself. I usually find that approach unfair, but the two comments above really reminded me of that argument. If you're going to dismiss one of the greatest figures in the history of cinema, you should at least have some reasons for doing so.
― Richard K (Richard K), Monday, 26 July 2004 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― piscesboy, Saturday, 4 September 2004 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― piscesboy, Saturday, 4 September 2004 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Sunday, 5 September 2004 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― I'm playing it cool but it's terribly cruel / Kate (papa november), Monday, 8 August 2005 08:49 (sixteen years ago) link
The cream: Nights of Cabiria, Amarcord, I Vitelloni, La Strada. I find 8-1/2 and La Dolce Vita slightly overrated (perhaps victims of endless parody and homage too) but near-great.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 August 2005 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 05:05 (sixteen years ago) link
-- todd swiss (yourvictim...), July 22nd, 2004 8:11 PM. (eliti)
this is funny because a few days ago i was at the library looking at foreign dvds and the guy next to me said, "have you seen this one? it's fantastic, just great, you have to see it." so i picked it up, even though the guy didn't look like someone i'd have much in common with. haven't watched it yet though, will report back. so far i've only seen 8 1/2 and amarcord, i wouldn't destroy either one of them but i'm not sure i'd search either.
― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
― a spectator bird (a spectator bird), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link
There are a few interesting shots and visual alluring scenes but aside from that its a complete waste of time. I dont want to be a witness in Mr. Fellinis self-discovery and therapy. Its boring and i have better ways to spend my free time on.. like.. clipping my toe nails or making dinosaur figurines out of chewing gum.
― dagashah, Sunday, 23 April 2006 09:41 (sixteen years ago) link
― city of gyros (chaki), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Last Saturday featured a double bill of Variety Lights and The White Sheik (co-scripted by Antonioni!), neither of which I had seen before. They were both superb, much lighter and in some ways more approachable than some of the accepted “masterpieces.” (So, “Search”) It was cool seeing Masina play a conventionally glamorous part in the former film too. This weekend brings Il Bidone (which I’ve been dying to see), 8 ½, and Nights of Cabiria (My fave Fellini).
― Picnics and Pixie Stix (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link
― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
It, along with the episode from Boccacio 70 and the Fellini TV thing (all those deleted pieces from Ginger and Fred that came w/the La Dolce Vita DVD), aren't part of the retrospective.
― Picnics and Pixie Stix (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
the mind reels at the idea of a cosmos so empty and forlorn of meaning.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 8 September 2006 07:34 (fifteen years ago) link
― a.b. (alanbanana), Friday, 8 September 2006 23:24 (fifteen years ago) link
― Run Ruud Run (Ken L), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link
Il Bidone: Probably the least characteristic film the man ever made, which is probably why you don’t hear about it that much. Very noir-y, with a brutal final act.
8 ½: So much better on this, my second viewing. I get the feeling that Fellini couldn’t believe he was getting away with going so far off the rails. Liberating stuff.
Nights of Cabiria: Still my favorite. Giulietta Masina was an angel. That’s all I have to say about this.
This weekend brings Juliet of the Spirits (which I can take or leave depending on my mood), Satyricon, and a double feature of The Clowns and Roma.
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Juliet of The Spirits: I want to love this movie, but I just can’t. Yes, the color palate is breathtaking, as are many of the images. I had forgotten how great the opening sequence with Juliet/ Giulietta getting ready for her anniversary dinner was. And the stuff w/Sandra Milo is endearingly wacky. The problem is, the whole marital strife storyline was simply done better (and cut deeper too) in 8 ½. Sadly, this remains MEH.
Satyricon: This hasn’t aged well. Loved the down and dirty atmosphere though. But on the whole, MEH.
The Clowns: Fellini’s affection for the subject makes this one work. SEARCH.
Roma: Holy shit. That sequence on the toll road! The Variety Show! Those motorcycles! Simply amazing and a fitting capper to the weekend’s programming, as many of the ideas explored in those films finally click and bear fruit here. SEARCH.
Only two films this weekend: Casanova (another one I’ve been dying to see), and Amarcord.
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Thursday, 21 September 2006 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Casanova: A fine rude variation on the costume picture. For some reason, this reminded me most of Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia. They’re both grotesque portraits of someone losing their humanity. Two questions: How’s the English dub of this (which I imagine Donald Sutherland worked on)? And, why isn’t this out on (legit) DVD? SEARCH
Amarcord: Lovely. SEARCH
This weekend brings City of Women, And The Ship Sails On, and Orchestral Rehearsal
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Thursday, 28 September 2006 23:35 (fifteen years ago) link
City of Women: When I was a kid one of the few film books we had in the house was Ebert’s home video companion (which covered 1980-85). I actually still have the book, and thumb through it regularly (it’s great bathroom reading). In the review of this film, he wrote that “Fellini can certainly make a bad film, but he can’t quite make a boring one.” True dat, but probably more than any other, this film also demonstrates that Fellini could be damned tedious too. There are some good scenes, particularly when Mastroianni runs through the doctor’s gallery of conquests, which is like a sterile 80s equivalent of the harem sequence from 8 ½. Ultimately though, this is a failure. DESTROY
And The Ship Sails On: A nice ensemble piece, with some magical musical sequences. The ending has a serious WTF? factor, which (for me) actually detracts from it a little bit. Still, SEARCH
Orchestral Rehearsal: Once again the weekend is capped by the best film, Reminiscent of late ‘60s Godard, but not nearly as annoying. My only issue is that it could have been a bit longer, because the ending would have had more resonance coming at the 90 minute mark as opposed to 70. SEARCH We close this weekend with Ginger and Fred, Intervista, and Voice of the Moon.
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Thursday, 5 October 2006 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Ginger and Fred: A nice little send-off for Giulietta. It’s good that she and Mastroianni got to do a movie together. Given the parties involved, it’s not as good as you want it to be, but it ain’t bad. SEARCH
Intervista: Easily the least of Fellini’s faux-documentaries. This is really a film that only converted will enjoy. The sequence w/ Mastroianni & Ekberg is kinda touching. MEH
Voice of The Moon: The final testament w/some nice sequences. The film feels like a clearinghouse of unused sketches and it doesn’t quite cohere like Fellini’s best frescoes. It’s funny though that w/ Benigni, Fellini finally found a guy to play a Giulietta-style character. Despite that, another MEH.
I’ll try to post some final thoughts on the canon tomorrow.
― Orgy of Pragmatism (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:28 (fifteen years ago) link
the only Fellini film i love w/t reservations is i vitelloni. the other ones i've seen ... the so-called cream of the crop like la strada, la dolce vita and 8 1/2 ... don't do much for me and are a bit of a slog to sit through. i mean, i think i GET what he was going for and all of the films i have seen have great SCENES. but that's really it ... kinda like what Fellini said himself in 8 1/2 about mastroianni the director/character -- a bunch of excellent scenes spliced together, but randomly and not much sense.
Fellini also suffers from too much adulation by the film critics/nerds, kinda like Bergman. as in, "if you don't like Fellini or Bergman, you're just a philistine idiot who's unworthy of even some unfunny Rob Schneider schlock." i will stand up for Bergman, Fellini not so much.
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:17 (ten years ago) link
also, upthread someone praised Woody Allen's stardust memories ... which i also found to be the most unwatchable of his films from his "golden" era (as it were). perhaps the overt Fellini-isms of that film were what made it so.
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:19 (ten years ago) link
oh, i forgot i've also seen nights of cabiria -- the (great) final half-hour notwithstanding, i simply couldn't stand Cabiria (or whatever her name was). not that she deserved what befell her (no spoilers for those who haven't seen it), but still i found it a bit hard to care much about what happened to a vulgar, loudmouthed tart.
― soul ma cosa nostra (Eisbaer), Sunday, 23 October 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link
Orchestral Rehearsal is my favorite Fellini film
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 01:40 (ten years ago) link
I saw Dolce Vita an 8 1/2 on BBC2 in black and white in my early teens and fucking loved them. If film school ruined Fellini for you, or if the action sequences just don't come thick and fast enough, all I can say is I'm sorry for you. But at least try Amarcord.
― Soukesian, Friday, 4 November 2011 22:26 (ten years ago) link
did we never poll this fella?
― piscesx, Tuesday, 20 May 2014 21:50 (eight years ago) link
La Strada is my favorite Fellini film, but La Dolce Vita is his most beautiful
― Dan S, Sunday, 17 April 2022 01:12 (two months ago) link