I did provoke some thoughts in my mind regarding all of theories behind the sociological need for certain movie monsters at certain times in history, i.e. certain fear responses from a movie monster mirror a social event like a war, economic depression, etc. My theory on zombies is that they correlate well with the current hysteria over terrorism--the idea of "senseless violence", errational beings killing for no reason other than crazed blood lust.
Any thoughts on this?
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Monday, 22 March 2004 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link
I wrote a zombie screenplay (never finished it though) that is set during the French Revolution. Obviously there's a political bent, with zombie peasants attacking royalty. I sort of liked the idea of fops with powdered wigs trying to hide in a castle while being chased by undead revolutionaries. There was some humor in there as well. Maybe I should finish that. . .
A question about the new film -- is it genuinely scary?
― BabyBuddha (BabyBuddha), Monday, 22 March 2004 16:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link
I must first state that it is in my humble opinion that all movies are simply dreams on film. Movies, by nature, work like dreams; when you can have a jump cut in Citizen Kane that spans a few decades, well, you know you're not dealing with reality.
So, if all movies are dreams, then horror movies are nightmares. To quote George Romero: "You use horror to show the world being turned upside down." Based on that theory, it is my opinion that the horror genre is easily the most brutally misused of all movie genres. A good horror film can force you to face your repressed fears and desires head-on, and that is a very valuable experience. I don't feel that monsters NEED to correlate with any major historical event, but it does help. The original Night of the Living Dead, for example, plays off the chaos and paranoia of its time period (racism, gangs, rebellion, Vietnam).
― Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link
popularized it, maybe, but certainly did not invent it. that technique was used to great effect in ingmar bergman's brilliant horror film, "The Magician".
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link
also, interestingly, most "visionary" type filmmakers don't use dreams as an influence at all. i remember someone asking terry gilliam in an interview if his dreams inspired his films, and he said no, that he rarely dreams at all & when he does, they're very linear, realistic dreams.
i would say "fantasies" over "dreams", although i'm not even sure if that is accurate. "desires" may be better, because that can apply to the emotional, intellectual, spiritual, artistic, physical, visceral, etc.
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Anthony (Anthony F), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 03:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Can we trace the origins of that? What's the earliest use of that tactic that you can think of?
I'm thinking Nosferatu, but he didn't exactly pop out the corner -- more like came out of the shadows.
As for the political bent of horror films -- I think they are more effective when that's part of it. The real source of terror in 28 Days Later was shifted from the zombies to the horny soldiers in the castle. Brilliant.
― BabyBuddha (BabyBuddha), Tuesday, 23 March 2004 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
It might seem poetic to think in this Cocteau mode of the "dream film", but it's not very representative to what film is all about. Film is a visceral experience, realized through sensory response to external stimuli. This is about as far from the dream experience as one can get.
I like the concept, but it's just a bit too romanticist and not very practical when you think about the technical, psychological and physical aspects of the movie watching experience.
Now, I might be able to buy a comparison to a DAYDREAM, however....
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
My comparison of movies to dreams is not based on storytelling. Yes, most movies are linear and, in terms of sequence, logical. But I'm talking about the way movies work, specifically when it comes to editing. The fact that you can jump 17th century China to New York City in the year 2050 in a split-second is entirely unrealistic and is very much the way dreams work. That's why our dreams seem to cover so much time, when in reality they only lasted a few minutes.
― Anthony (Anthony F), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Anthony (Anthony F), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 05:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Again, how does this relate to the cinema? Although film gets a reputatation as a "passive" art form, the reality could not be further from the truth. The way the brain interprets a dream vs. the way a person experiences a film is about as different from one another as they could possibly be, for the reasons I listed in my previous post.
We definitely need a seperate post for this, and it would be great to hear other folks weigh in on this.
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Wednesday, 24 March 2004 22:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 25 March 2004 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― sally (sally), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link
DAwn of the Dead (1978) really is the perfect allegory now for COVID-19
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 September 2021 15:59 (nine months ago) link
in NOTLD, the undead come out of nowhere, and overwhelms the country as they are poorly understood. fairly quickly, scientists learn how to fight them, and initially it helps, but by Dawn of the Dead, skeptics like the talk show host at the beginning express disbelief that 'zombies' are real and that the dead are returning to life. rebels defy scientists instructions and do not destroy the dead, instead letting them live untreated at the bottom of their building, which continues the spread of the undead. scientists even lament that they could have stopped it 'at the beginning!' but people are reluctant to dispose of the dead in the way they've specified.
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Saturday, 18 September 2021 16:31 (nine months ago) link