― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 December 2003 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Saturday, 13 December 2003 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 15 December 2003 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 15 December 2003 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link
What was this about?
Anyway, glad to hear he's working on a new film. One of the greatest filmmakers of our era, IMHO.
― admrl, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 21:11 (ten years ago) link
― admrl, Wednesday, 23 June 2010 21:13 (ten years ago) link
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 04:06 (nine years ago) link
He lights another cigarette, and tells me he has only just started smoking again. How many a day? "Three boxes, 60. My record is 12 boxes. When I have to deal with idiotic questions like yours I have to smoke more." That's a bit rude. He grins like a little boy who knows he's gone too far. "Well, I wanted a reaction. I didn't mean to be rude, I just wanted to provoke you."
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 5 April 2012 14:57 (nine years ago) link
― og (admrl), Thursday, 5 April 2012 16:54 (nine years ago) link
i feel like i've seen people talking about le havre in another thread?
just saw this, it was tremendous. i'd never seen anything by him before.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 7 April 2012 23:26 (nine years ago) link
I envy your impending epiphany. He is one of the greatest living filmmakers, IMO.
― og (admrl), Sunday, 8 April 2012 00:43 (nine years ago) link
Haha, I see upthread that I have repeated myself, but IT IS TRUE
― og (admrl), Sunday, 8 April 2012 00:44 (nine years ago) link
i'm surprised by how little interesting writing there is about this movie. it is a very, very strange film. in some ways it feels like a french "new wave" movie - the foregrounding of its own mechanisms and devices, for instance. the acting is incredibly strange. none of it is naturalistic, or it's a different kind of naturalism somehow. it just engages your brain differently. i can see why people bring up chaplin. he frames things in tableau, like paintings. he wants to bring elements together in the frame, or in your mind, and see what reactions take place.
i don't know if this is something he does all the time, but i was struck by how the movie seemed to take place at every/all moments of the 20th century. there were cars from the 50s, 60s and 70s, outfits from all over the place, phones from the 30s and the 2000s, Euro banknotes. the sensational darroussin in his weirdly belted outfit looked like a cross between an east german stasi and an extra in the taking of pelham 1 2 3. it helped the movie feel timeless, like a fable, but also had the opposite effect: this boy's story, or those of boys like him, has specifically taken place in ALL these times, in ALL these les havres.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:57 (nine years ago) link
Wow, cool observations. Check out his very early stuff, like Ariel, and you will see that all of these things are very much his hallmarks, but certainly they are not commented on enough. He has some great, deadpan quotes about directing actors but I sometimes wonder if these belie an actual, intuitive rigor to direction that he is too modest to talk about. I guess only his actors know.
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:02 (nine years ago) link
While Bresson would have his actors (or, as he called them, “models”) repeat their lines over and over again, until they were drained of all emotion from the sheer dullness of repetition, Kaurismäki uses an opposite approach to get a similar effect: his actors do not know what their lines are until right before they speak them. Sometimes, he has them read the lines off cue cards. On the rare occasions when Kaurismäki does give his actors a script in advance, it is prefaced by something like “The same sentences every morning without passion.” (17) And, although his actors say that Kaurismäki always shoots only one take, the director himself once admitted to an interviewer that he actually shoots the rehearsal and then pretends to the actors that he is shooting the first take. He does this because he wants them thinking as little as possible about “acting” and more about reading a line as simply as possible. The result is an impassive acting style that serves a double purpose: to mimic the uncaring capitalistic society looming over Kaurismäki’s films, and to work in comedic counterpoint to the frequently dramatic content of the dialogue itself.
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:03 (nine years ago) link
that is weirder than i ever would have believed
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:07 (nine years ago) link
My dream is to spend a year just researching and writing a book on AK. Maybe I should do it, I dunno.
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:09 (nine years ago) link
I know he would hate it already, haha
of course! he hates everything!
certainly it was clear that he was doing something radically different with his actors, you don't get a full-grown brechtian effect like that by happenstance
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:11 (nine years ago) link
As an insightful friend of mine has pointed out - Kaurismaki also shoots work (as in, work done with one's hands) so much better than any other director. When you see someone working in a factory or building something or washing dishes in a Kaurismaki film, you really see the work they are doing as a series of actions, almost subliminally (he doesn't dwell on these things, it's just part of what he does). If you look at the way work is shown in most films, you can't really understand what is involved. It's just a visual abstraction that conjures some idea of labor without really showing it.
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:14 (nine years ago) link
Just...the forms in his films are so perfect. Even his lesser films are so perfectly constructed.
― Shitschnitzel (admrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:17 (nine years ago) link
liked Le Havre v much when i went to see it last night, and have now enjoyed reading the (too few!) posts on this thread (esp like tracer's comments about the way that the film's slightly elusive periodisation points to a larger universal/historical condition). the style of the film did strike me as v. bressonian - one of the v. first shots, of feet walking, seemed partic 'pickpockety' - but yeah, allied to that is kaurismaki's own beautiful whimsy and compassion. for a moment i thought that the 'miracle' at the end of the film was another 'lie' staged by arletty and the doctors for the husband's benefit, but the final scene w/ the cherry blossoms (v. Ozo-y!) seemed to suggest it was to be taken at 'face value'.
it was interesting seeing this film not long after seeing the Dardennes' The Kid With a Bike - two films about an adult unexpectedly caring for a vulnerable child, both with a great feel for location, and for the possibility of community, even now.
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 20 April 2012 08:02 (eight years ago) link
Kaurismaki and Takeshi Kitano are my two favourite working directors and they have many similarities i think
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2012 10:21 (eight years ago) link
Two Finns are in a bar. After hours of silence, one man raises his glass to the other and says, “Cheers.” The other man snaps back, “I didn’t come here for conversation.”
this is one of my fave jokes by the way altho in my version dude says something like "I thought we were drinking, not chatting"
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2012 12:43 (eight years ago) link
That joke could make me move to Finland.
― Touché Gödel (ledge), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:18 (eight years ago) link
nice. where does the joke come from?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 08:15 (eight years ago) link
loved The Other Side of Hope
its total absence from year-end discussion is a fuckin' crime
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 December 2017 02:49 (three years ago) link
Agreed. I think he's so reliably great that people take him granted.
― Akdov Telmig (Ward Fowler), Monday, 11 December 2017 06:23 (three years ago) link
maybe he's not "serious" enough for some people
his movies never seem to get shown by the centrist dad arthouse clique in my city
― The Dearth of Stollen (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 December 2017 11:14 (three years ago) link
this movie was amazing
sort of a diptych with le havre, really
it's like if jim jarmusch movies were actually good!
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 21 January 2018 01:23 (three years ago) link
couldn't read this story without thinking of these films https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/22/uk-home-office-tells-stateless-man-go-home?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 22 January 2018 13:10 (three years ago) link
stunned that this is the only thread on kaurismaki on ilx
― flappy bird, Monday, 14 May 2018 04:37 (two years ago) link
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― flappy bird, Friday, 18 May 2018 16:43 (two years ago) link
I need to watch Calamari Union.
― JoeStork, Friday, 18 May 2018 16:54 (two years ago) link
the Aki Kaurismäki poll
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 June 2018 04:43 (two years ago) link
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 17:59 (two years ago) link
Wow, nice. Odds are high that I'll check this out on Saturday, and scanning the schedule it looks like that day they're showing the only three I haven't seen (I think) - Crime & Punishment, Hamlet, and Calamari Union. Any recs on which one I should pick?
― One Eye Open, Monday, 25 March 2019 18:16 (two years ago) link
I've seen Hamlet, liked it. CU is on Vimeo.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2019 18:26 (two years ago) link
ah man what a drag, I would've tried to come up to NYC for this but so soon. all 35mm! fuck me running
― flappy bird, Monday, 25 March 2019 18:38 (two years ago) link
Yeah I really wish I could be around to catch more of the color films in 35, like Drifting Clouds.
― One Eye Open, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:06 (two years ago) link
For those unable to get to NYC, this Region 2 blu ray set is available fairly cheaply, in the UK at least:
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 25 March 2019 19:11 (two years ago) link
are they not showing La Vie de Boheme? It's got no dates next to it
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Monday, 25 March 2019 19:14 (two years ago) link
They must be... perhaps some scheduling dilemma soon to be resolved.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 March 2019 14:31 (two years ago) link
actually, the Calamari Union that is on Vimeo is a cheap US remake! so I missed it. Fuck.
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 5 April 2019 20:09 (two years ago) link
priority number one was drifting clouds but I couldn't make it because of exhibiting at Mocca festival. However, I am going to man without a past tonight.
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 14:21 (two years ago) link
Drifting Clouds was a treat, but I was a little baffled by the boite ex machina that resolved things
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:45 (two years ago) link
gonna try to make Juha tomw night
I made it to Match Factory Girl, which was wonderful in 35mm. On the big screen, I had a lot of fun being able to observe the micro-changes in expression on Kati Outinen's face. As always with AK I discovered some laff moments that I'd never noticed before.
― One Eye Open, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:59 (two years ago) link