a Ryûsuke Hamaguchi thread for all your Hamaguchi chat

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new film Asako I & II is premiering at festivals at the moment and manages to be both more conventional and odder than Happy Hour. uses the language of rom-coms sincerely and reflectively without ever feeling smug or condescending. found it utterly beguiling and hilarious for most of its running time but still chewing over the third act machinations; part of me thinks ending half an hour earlier might have made for a more interesting if less satisfying film. both leads give really great performances, particularly Karata in communicating these peaks and troughs of female desire behind an unassertive shell. there's also an unforgettably cold and brutal line delivery in the opening of the closing act that i truly loved. seemed to go down really well with the crowd and there were lots of big laughs which was lovely to see.

Happy Hour is a classic imo but interested if anyone has seen any of his preceding work?

devvvine, Thursday, 11 October 2018 13:27 (five years ago) link

I've had mixed feelings about both Happy Hour and Asako I & II. He's great at creating these amazing scenes - the poetry event! the Ibsen earthquake! the Chekhov argument! - but I feel like the plots in both films kinda got in the way of that amazing feeling of just being there with these great people. The plots are weird in both films, the characters do weird stuff. I just want to watch them do some trust exercises for another fifteen minutes or so.

Frederik B, Thursday, 11 October 2018 19:23 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

happy hour now streaming on mubi, in the uk at least

devvvine, Saturday, 15 December 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

six months pass...

only have seen Happy Hour and Heaven Is Still Far Away. the intimacy and transparency of them is really disarming and attractive

Dan S, Saturday, 29 June 2019 04:23 (four years ago) link

two years pass...

not seen drive my car yet but glad my man ryusuke is getting the plaudits he deserved for asako i & ii

devvvine, Monday, 13 December 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link

Haha, I never once thought this year to see if he had a thread.

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Monday, 13 December 2021 16:35 (two years ago) link

Me neither.

And devvine otm

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 December 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link

any london folks, i have a spare ticket for drive my car at the ica tonight

devvvine, Wednesday, 15 December 2021 16:53 (two years ago) link

maybe finally time to watch Happy Hour.

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 December 2021 16:22 (two years ago) link

Especially since I missed Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy.

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 December 2021 16:33 (two years ago) link

I should have watched Drive My Car on Netflix at my sister's house over Thanksgiving break, but hopefully I'll have another chance. Happy Hour was strange in the end. Japanese culture seems very different from what I know of Korean culture.

youn, Saturday, 18 December 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link

Netflix? What country?

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 December 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link

having now seen both, they are really accomplished works (especially the final of tale of fortune and fantasy, and the middle bulk of drive my car), and i can understand to some extent why these two seem to be cutting through to a wider audience, but i have some reservations about both, and i certainly don't think either of these films are better than asako i & ii

will post something longer when i've clarified my thoughts, but i think drive my car suffers from a narrative conservatism that it tries to maybe undercut, without totally subverting it, and doesn't totally manage to have it's cake and eat it.

devvvine, Saturday, 18 December 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

to put it bluntly; i think he should go full rivette, and avoid anything that owes any similarity to mfa creative writing advice.

devvvine, Saturday, 18 December 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

also the epilogue is a mistake

devvvine, Saturday, 18 December 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

Can one safely watch Asoko I & II before Happy Hour?

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 18 December 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link

sure, they're very different in style. don't know where it's available to stream but feel free to ilxmail me

devvvine, Saturday, 18 December 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link

I did

xpost

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 December 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link

Criterion Channel has a Hamaguchi stash.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 December 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link

NOT LIKELY SPOILER ALERT

(I wish more had been shown about the divorce and the son of the friend and less about the crutch and the nightclub and the abuse.)

youn, Saturday, 18 December 2021 19:27 (two years ago) link

(The opening car ride and encounter on the bus were very nice.)

youn, Saturday, 18 December 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link

(sorry it was actually a bus and there were dappled leaves and they were excited about their trip and the pace was slow)

youn, Saturday, 18 December 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link

Youn, do you know how to use the h is for hidden tags?

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 December 2021 00:08 (two years ago) link

Criterion has those two, Happy Hour and Asoko I & II, afaik iirc etc

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 December 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link

I remember some ancient time when I thought I would watch Happy Hour on Kanopy.

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 December 2021 00:11 (two years ago) link

It’s also on Pluto TV, apparently!

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 December 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link

Hey, Apple TV app finally figured out that the MUBI app exists apart from Amazon Prime Video.

Santa’s Got a Brand New Borad (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 19 December 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link

to put it bluntly; i think he should go full rivette

Yes, while I was watching Drive my Car I was trying to make the experience more Rivettian, but all the plotty character stuff kept getting in the way, especially in the final third, where Hamaguchi was showing AND telling a bit too too much. I blamed Murakami!

All the Chekov stuff put me in mind of another good but narratively over-worked three hour art movie, Celan's Winter Sleep, even down to similarities in the landscapes.

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 19 December 2021 08:35 (two years ago) link

I haven't used hidden tags before and would appreciate any tips. I think my parenthetical comments were pretty much non-spoilers because in Happy Hour I don't think it's so much what happens as how it happens ... unfoldingly slowly and unnoticeably strangely within plot and within character whereas with Rivette I feel as though all strangeness is invented and meant to be observed and the viewer is a recognized outsider.

youn, Sunday, 19 December 2021 08:40 (two years ago) link

xp lol yes, i thought murakami might be the culprit but, perhaps luckily, have managed to completely avoid him in my life so far.

devvvine, Sunday, 19 December 2021 10:22 (two years ago) link

... brings to mind ... repetition ... persistence ... doggedness ...

youn, Monday, 20 December 2021 07:00 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Watched my first film of his today: Asoko I & II. My wife walked in partway through and said the plot sounded very manga-like. Not quite sure what to make of it -- or what we're meant to make of it -- but it was compelling. Features maybe one of my favorite movie cats.

Chris L, Monday, 10 January 2022 04:02 (two years ago) link

Did a Criterion top 10:
https://www.criterion.com/current/top-10-lists/393-ryusuke-hamaguchi-s-top-10

Chris L, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link

People often say that the three most important Japanese directors are Mizoguchi, Akira Kurosawa, and Yasujiro Ozu, but I believe Naruse should take Kurosawa’s place.

Work!

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 January 2022 20:41 (two years ago) link

and riding for certified five baggers the golden coach, lumiere d'ete, and holiday. might be enough for me to forgive him for that epilogue

devvvine, Wednesday, 19 January 2022 22:35 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

He did a remake of Solaris as a student film?

H.R. MacGufnstuf (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 April 2022 20:20 (one year ago) link

Maybe it was more than a student film, even though made for a class with Kiyoshi Kurosawa.

H.R. MacGufnstuf (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 April 2022 20:33 (one year ago) link

I saw Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy last night, all three parts were interesting

Dan S, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 02:02 (one year ago) link

refreshingly straightforward and translucent

Dan S, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 02:04 (one year ago) link

otm

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 09:51 (one year ago) link

it's very good yeah

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 09:54 (one year ago) link

Wheel of Fortune ... now on UK MUBI

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 10:00 (one year ago) link

…and The Criterion Channel.

Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 10:09 (one year ago) link

It focused on coincidence and unrequited love, and straying within relationships was presented as a matter of fact. Each segment involved role-playing, and the film gave its characters a chance for redemption and closure

Dan S, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 23:49 (one year ago) link

Is Ayako available to watch in the US?

calstars, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:24 (one year ago) link

Asako I & II is on the Criterion Channel, Mubi, and Kanopy

Dan S, Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:53 (one year ago) link

Yes, there is an abundance of streaming Asako I & II. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s on Pluto TV as well.

Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link

Happy Hour seems to have survived its purported May Day purge on Criterion.

Wile E. Is President (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 4 May 2022 00:58 (one year ago) link

Just started happy hour last night

OP OTM about asako should have ended 20 minutes earlier

calstars, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

maybe right when baku puts his hand down on the table, but before asako takes it. Or alternately ten minutes later when she says good bye and stares at the ocean. I didn’t like the resolution at the end.

calstars, Tuesday, 10 May 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link

As of today Happy Hour back on MUBI US too!

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 10 May 2022 19:52 (one year ago) link

I got almost halfway through happy hour until I asked myself why I was watching it

calstars, Saturday, 14 May 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link

Did you answer yourself and continue?

Don't Renege On (Our Dub) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 14 May 2022 20:09 (one year ago) link

I thought the ending of Asako I & II was really affecting, the pleading for redemption, the wavering and the ambiguous ending

Dan S, Saturday, 14 May 2022 23:58 (one year ago) link

and the view of the river

Dan S, Sunday, 15 May 2022 00:04 (one year ago) link

to put it bluntly; i think he should go full rivette

Yes, while I was watching Drive my Car I was trying to make the experience more Rivettian, but all the plotty character stuff kept getting in the way, especially in the final third, where Hamaguchi was showing AND telling a bit too too much. I blamed Murakami!

All the Chekov stuff put me in mind of another good but narratively over-worked three hour art movie, Celan's Winter Sleep, even down to similarities in the landscapes.

― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 19 December 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Thought about Rivette a lot but also how it was a good departure to use that example to do something a bit different with the road trip film, by replacing those long train journeys. The delay-delay of getting to that long road journey where the duo confront what can't be was a long time coming, and was nicely shortened at the end.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 May 2022 13:39 (one year ago) link

Did you answer yourself and continue?


I gave up the question but am still watching, maybe a half hour every day.

calstars, Monday, 16 May 2022 13:57 (one year ago) link

Almost done with happy hour
Now I wish it was five hours longer
The dance scene in the club was a pretty great cinematic moment

calstars, Thursday, 26 May 2022 20:23 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy > Drive My Car

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Friday, 1 July 2022 16:10 (one year ago) link

Need to watch the first one soon.

Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 July 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link

Yes xpost

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 July 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link

HH > WOFAF > DMC

calstars, Friday, 1 July 2022 18:27 (one year ago) link

All three of those - (Happy Hour, Wheel of Fortune and Fantasy, and Drive My Car) are pretty great, as are Asako I & II and Heaven Is Still Far Away. It's hard to choose between them

Dan S, Wednesday, 13 July 2022 01:42 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

thread revive because the shot in Drive My Car of Yūsuke & Misaki flicking their cigarette ashes out the sunroof is just really cool-looking

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 10:55 (eight months ago) link

Can’t wait for his next five films

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 13:12 (eight months ago) link

Can’t wait for his next five hour film

calstars, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 14:29 (eight months ago) link

Can’t hardly wait.

CeeLô Borges (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 14:33 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Calling him “Oscar-nominated” is so funny. That is an image of him holding an Oscar. He won an Oscar. https://t.co/KH0LTLU3hn

— Nick Newman (@Nick_Newman) July 25, 2023

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 July 2023 14:32 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

First runner up at Venice

fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Saturday, 9 September 2023 21:23 (five months ago) link

five months pass...

saw Evil Does Not Exist last night. feels a lot colder than his other films, but I still really liked it. at times very slow and methodical, and the ending makes you rethink everything that came before.

groovemaaan, Friday, 23 February 2024 22:54 (one week ago) link

Is that a new one?

calstars, Friday, 23 February 2024 23:44 (one week ago) link

Getting confused since there is an Iranian film with a title very much like that.

The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 February 2024 23:55 (one week ago) link


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