TS: hitler a film from germany vs Berlin Alexanderplatz

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Loving both of these over the winter (1/3 of the way through the Fassbinder as I create this poll). Googling expecting to find those two to hate each other, instead I got this piece on the two films

Poll Results

Berlin Alexanderplatz 3
hitler a film from germany 1
Its all good no need to choose 1

xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 January 2015 12:32 (six years ago) link

how many ilxors do you think have seen Our Hitler? i haven't.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 January 2015 15:05 (six years ago) link

Doubt many have seen either, why I put it on ILF so I can watch it die.

I hadn't seen either of these till the weekend.

Not sure what that piece is going for, from a skim. I think both of these films are very cinematic. They actually look it. Syberberg has a very enclosed feel like Citezen Kane/whatever that anecdote around it 'like a bunch of shooting tests', and Fassbinder has all those weird-at-times camera movements and in the last EP I saw (no. 6) it had a whole sequence of Raaben's music (piano plus atmospherics) as Biberkopf and Reinold 'trade' women. Fairly brutal stuff.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 January 2015 16:34 (six years ago) link

I guess I can see they are v similar films in the sense they examine (or spend a lot of time, although that isn't all) lower working class German life, they obv capture similar times and culture (which that piece talks about a bit).

xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 January 2015 16:35 (six years ago) link

I'm almost finished with Berlin Alexanderplatz--should I try and score a copy of Hitler?

Virginia Plain, Monday, 26 January 2015 17:59 (six years ago) link

On EP9 :-)

His site, see link in the ILX thread (h-j syberberg's 'hitler: a film from germany' -- c/d) has a free copy. I'd say look at the first EP (I couldn't get it to work but woof has further instructions)

They are very different types of films, but they engage with much of the same material. I couldn't choose right now.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 January 2015 22:20 (six years ago) link

I'm glad I saw Our Hitler, and while I remember finding it compelling at times, mostly it was a struggle. Berlin Alexanderplatz, I've seen three times and my attention never--well, almost never--flagged. (Novel's great too.) I'd put Günter Lamprecht's performance on a short-list of greatest ever.

clemenza, Monday, 26 January 2015 23:28 (six years ago) link

Saw the Syberberg years ago- it was during Sontag's second round of chemo, I remember seeing her there at Anthology- but I remember next to nothing about it. Alexanderplatz was really an event, Günter Lamprecht's performance was indeed a standout, keep meaning to watch again or read novel, bought the DVDs from Border's before they went under.

Mike j'Abo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 00:26 (six years ago) link

What I really want to say though, although maybe I should wait for results: Heimat was robbed.

Mike j'Abo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 00:27 (six years ago) link

cosign on Lamprecht.

I think Syberberg does almost require you to be steeped in Germanic culture. If I watched this film five years ago I wouldn't have got much out of it...whereas Fassbinder works at any level.

I never thought Heimat was all that..(?)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 11:32 (six years ago) link

see link in the ILX thread (h-j syberberg's 'hitler: a film from germany' -- c/d) has a free copy

It's not quite free! You're meant to make a €1 donation to the restoration of Nossendorf church spire in order to watch it.

It's messed up in most browsers I've tried, but it is downloadable. There's a taiwanese website that has the links, but it's own URL is slightly malicious-looking, so I've dropped the text into pastebin:


woof, Tuesday, 27 January 2015 11:57 (six years ago) link

I voted for the Fassbinder, even though I've only seen the first two parts of Hitler, because Berlin Alexanderplatz is the best thing ever, and Syberberg would have to perform miracles in those last three hours to change my mind.

Cherish, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 03:46 (six years ago) link

Just the 'epilogue' to go now.

I think something broke in me on EP 11 when I saw Sukowa's battered face, forgiving Franz and pleading her love to him in the park over ice cream.

Love to return to Doblin's novel - read it ten years ago, didn't get much out of it but it wasn't the right time to pick that up.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:46 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 31 January 2015 00:01 (six years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 1 February 2015 00:01 (six years ago) link

who voted for Syberberg? I was on the fence as I like both.

btw Cherish I don't know how you managed not to finish the Syberberg. ok maybe life got in the way but otherwise..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 1 February 2015 00:13 (six years ago) link

Nicht ich.

Sweet Melissus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 February 2015 03:05 (six years ago) link

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