Have you ever done this? Have you done it recently? What was your decision process to do the drug like?
I ask because in my peer drug group growing-up this was off-limits. I'm pretty sure that none of us ever touched it. The last time I remember encountering PCP was someone trying to sell it to me in the parking lot of a Dead show in '95, but it was a local street drug dealer, rather than some hippie.
Lately, it's sort of come to my attention that PCP is making a comeback or might have simply been present all along. Rumor is that one of my neighbors is a dusthead. Then I came across this article yesterday: your most important local news story the world must know about.
It seems to me that part of the PCP experience and part of the common knowledge surrounding it is that it can go very, very wrong at the drop of a hat. Why would someone make the decision to use PCP?
― kkvgz, Thursday, 23 September 2010 11:45 (ten years ago) link
― janice (surm), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:42 (ten years ago) link
its cool, gives u the strength of 10 cops
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:51 (ten years ago) link
last time i tried it i think i killed batman
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2010 12:59 (ten years ago) link
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:31 (ten years ago) link
i was drinking coffee when i read that and almost spit it out for reals!
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:33 (ten years ago) link
I think more than snakes or being buried alive or anything, my fear is that some dude is going to show up and make made-up accusations and beat the shit out of me.
― Excluding Skits and Such (Eazy), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:38 (ten years ago) link
Though a snake on PCP, or a gorilla, or even a pet dog, that would be something.
we need to do the 'who would win in a fight thread' again with added PCP as an option, because that would push picard way up the list imo.
― i dont love everything, i love football (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 September 2010 15:48 (ten years ago) link
Why would someone make the decision to use PCP?
I have the book that the excerpt below is taken from. It's an interesting read.
Angel Dust: An Ethnographic Study of PCP Users, H.W. Feldman, M.H. Agar, & G.M. Beschner (eds.) (Lexington, MA: Lexington Books, 1979).
An ethnographic study in 1979 of PCP users is frequently cited for its substantive findings and methodological contribution as the first multisite ethnographic drug study. Initiating the study when PCP use was believed to be spreading among white working-class and middle-class young people, the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) contracted for a four-city ethnographic study of PCP users not in treatment. After 3 months of working in Miami, Florida, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Chicago, Illinois, and Seattle, Washington, ethnographers documented groups of users and the underlying social processes. They found that it was relatively rare for a young person to use PCP exclusively. Use occurred mainly within socially distinctive groups of young people who displayed "a kind of restlessness, an orientation for action, and a sense that life generally was boring, uninteresting, and lacked recreational activities" (22).
The young people studied were very knowledgeable about drug effects and understood that the PCP drug experience varied dramatically with dosage. Low doses of the drug were reported by different user groups to be mildly euphoric and hallucinogenic like LSD, or sedating like barbiturates. What concerned regular PCP users was not the acute adverse effects reported in the media (e.g., psychotic episodes, assaultive outburst, irreparable harm), but rather "burning out"--a "spacey" state accompanied by incoherent thoughts, forgetfulness, and memory loss. As burnout became apparent, individual users and groups of users consciously cut back their PCP use. Within this group, violent episodes were found to be rare, mainly involving efforts by law enforcement or hospital treatment staff to restrain users, thereby seeming to set off panic reactions and struggle.
The study suggested that a significant gap existed between official agencies responsible for drug education and prevention and street drug users. When PCP use increased dramatically in the mid 1970s, there were no official responses because quantitative national data sources, such as surveys of high school students and hospital emergency reports, failed to include PCP as a separate drug. When the official agencies recognized the widespread use of PCP, their prevention efforts were viewed by users as distorted and were discounted. Ethnographers attribute the eventual decline in PCP use to "the general consensus among users themselves on the negative features of its long-term effects rather than the kind of expert opinion that accompanies legitimate efforts at prevention" (22).
― dude (del), Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:23 (ten years ago) link
also my copy of the book has sort of a bizarre dedication to some woman written by one of the authors inside of it
― dude (del), Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:26 (ten years ago) link
― dude (del), Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:29 (ten years ago) link
that's awesome del, thanks. That study is a few decades old, though. I'll have to see what kind of more recent academic stuff I can turn up with my journal access.
― kkvgz, Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:39 (ten years ago) link
Also, surm? For real?
― janice (surm), Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:40 (ten years ago) link
― buzza, Thursday, 23 September 2010 16:52 (ten years ago) link
last night i watched the film that the youtube clip i posted up there is taken from...wow. i wish i knew how to convert xvid things to youtube or whatever so that i could share it. if it's an attempt at anti-drug propaganda, it's fairly well-balanced imo, when compared to its peers. much of it consists of interviews w/;resent and ex-afficianadoes (sp?) of the drug who are just left to extemporize regarding their experiences.
also, it's probably difficult to tell from the youtube clip, but that guy is wearing the most insane outfit. i can't even imagine where he obtained his clothes. i guess he is the only one interviewed in the film who is actually "dusted" at the time, (though some of the other interviewees seemed like they were maybe on downers or something?) and when they do a close-up of his face, his eyes are just, whoa. also in the original, at the end of that segment they don't have the silly visual distortion thing included on that youtube video.
the film is from '76 or maybe '77, and filmed around the bay area. i would pay good money to see a "where are they now?" catching up with the interview subjects nowadays...
― dude (del), Saturday, 25 September 2010 18:24 (ten years ago) link
that after school special is really A+. Also Helen Hunt superhottie in teen years.
― I saw him in convulsive throws I said "I'll have one of those" (sunny successor), Sunday, 26 September 2010 05:32 (ten years ago) link
intervention had a shermhead on there recently, she had been hooked for nearly 20 years iirc. she was physically intact, at least moreso than you would think from pcps reputation, whoring herself too so who knows; she was dopey-talking all the time to where you thought she was maybe lost, falling over fucked up in the street every night, etc; i think she had a job! she was molested as an adolescent iirc and her mother had never believed her (family friend)and even in the intervention mother was kind of a hardcase, really sad. she got the help, seemed very lucid in the followup segment
― got land in the sand of the lol undies (tremendoid), Sunday, 26 September 2010 09:49 (ten years ago) link
yeah this was also off-limits in my peer group, and my peer group was junkies. like, bathtub crank, mainlining vicks inhaler scrapings cooked down as emergency crystal, cool ok, whatever you need...angel dust, fuck no, that shit's crazy
― aerosmith: live at gunpoint (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:14 (ten years ago) link
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― world class wrecking (crüt), Wednesday, 29 September 2010 09:25 (ten years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 29 September 2010 10:00 (ten years ago) link
"Here, take this drug. It'll make you walk in the road!"
― kkvgz, Thursday, 7 October 2010 14:17 (ten years ago) link
Lately, it's sort of come to my attention that PCP is making a comeback or might have simply been present all along.
kkvgz i keep wondering if this is an annapolis-area thing and can't telli def wanna read a book about it, i don't get it. why people would even try it.
― john water (harbl), Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:06 (ten years ago) link
'Wet' was fairly popular for a few years. Like late 90s til a couple of years ago. And in the ghetto from what I could tell. Wet is when you dip a cigarette in a PCP-formaldehyde solution and let it dry. Users I observed seemed just totally zoned out and off balance, never aggressive. Why use it? I have no idea. Why huff paint/gas/glue.
If I wanted to feel woozy I'd look for GHB which was pretty great the one time I did it. I wouldn't even know where to look though.
― amazing disorder (rip van wanko), Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:43 (ten years ago) link
It's not solely an Annapolis-area thing, but I'd wager that there is a relatively high concentration of PCP use out here. I did a Nexis search on the topic and I got newspaper results from the SF Bay Area, Texas, Louisiana, North Carolina, New Jersey, Maine, and many others. My favorite detail was from a Kansas City, Missouri article about DUI stops:
PCP, smelling like ripe fruit floating out of the car, is a favorite.
Anyway, it remains a topic of facination for me.
― kkvgz, Thursday, 18 November 2010 12:46 (ten years ago) link
Users I observed seemed just totally zoned out and off balance, never aggressive.
Also, yeah no doubt most people getting dusted just spend a few hours deep in their heads pretending they're on the Starship Enterprise or whatever, but it seems that, when things go wrong, they go very, very wrong. Also, it seems that there is a level of dependency involved that is not present in other hallucinogens. Maybe that's part of the appeal, that people can do it over and over again, whereas with acid or something, users often feel a need to get their brain straightened back out after the experience.
― kkvgz, Thursday, 18 November 2010 13:18 (ten years ago) link
people develop huge addictions to ketamine...and dxm, which both work similarly on the brain to how pcp does, so yeah.
― loose jorts (del), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:30 (ten years ago) link
working with teen addicts, i see it come up every once in a while on a screen. some of these kids are 13, with an incredible amount of drugs in their system. At that age I have no idea what drugs were.
― Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Thursday, 18 November 2010 18:47 (ten years ago) link
I was sentenced to work project when I got a DUI (BAC .09, good work CHP!) last year, and a lot of the dudes I was working with talked about sherm. The guy who was most vocal about his love for it was a really friendly, if spacey-seeming ~20 year old black guy.
It gets mentioned in rap quite a bit too, but what drug doesn't I guess
― A solo Beatle--Paul, George, John, Yoko, etc. (Whitey on the Moon), Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:47 (ten years ago) link
― another al3x, Thursday, 18 November 2010 19:52 (ten years ago) link
no i didn't think it was *solely* an annap thing but it seems so much bigger there than in baltimore and there are so many of these burned out 40 year old dudes who can't remember the last thing you said to them, at my job. they are really impossibly stupid and i feel bad for them. also angry.
― john water (harbl), Thursday, 18 November 2010 23:15 (ten years ago) link
Oh yeah, definitely then. I mean, PCP in Maryland is probably biggest in Prince George's and Anne Arundel.
― the caroline notsaying memorial displayname (kkvgz), Friday, 19 November 2010 00:12 (ten years ago) link
I certainly remember PCP being a thing when I was growing up in AA Co. in the 70s and 80s -- there were always weird race/class aspects to the patterns of usage, but there are weird race/class things about every god damn thing in AA Co.
― Three Word Username, Saturday, 4 December 2010 09:49 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I grew up in Columbia, where we sort of aspired to a rainbow of diversity.
― Chaka Mo Khanlier (kkvgz), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:00 (ten years ago) link
And abusing a rainbow of drugs other than elephant tranquilizers.
― Chaka Mo Khanlier (kkvgz), Saturday, 4 December 2010 20:01 (ten years ago) link
― k3vin k., Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:27 (ten years ago) link
lol I don't know - I'm confused. Oh well - welcome!
― ˙❤‿❤˙˙❤‿❤˙ (ENBB), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:28 (ten years ago) link
k3vin have you ever noticed the "k3" in your username forms a <3 in that little nook there
― flopson, Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:33 (ten years ago) link
― k3vin k., Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:40 (ten years ago) link
― ˙❤‿❤˙˙❤‿❤˙ (ENBB), Sunday, 12 December 2010 05:51 (ten years ago) link
Method Man says he was on PCP during the filming of his "Bring the Pain" video. He says you can tell cuz his eyes look crazy. Hard to disagree with that.
― Lazarus Niles-Burnham (res), Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:57 (ten years ago) link
― kim tim jim investor (harbl), Thursday, 1 March 2012 11:54 (nine years ago) link
AnnapolisPCP chargesCity police arrested two men Tuesday night and ended up charging one with possession with intent to distribute PCP.Police were searching for two men following a robbery when an officer spotted two men, one matching a description from the robbery, standing next to a tree on Severn Island Court off Bywater Road.As officers approached, one walked away, wobbly like, and hid behind a trailer. The other held on to the tree, supporting himself. Officers noticed the distinct odor of PCP.The second man began to also walk away, then ran. Officers were able to catch him. As they wrestled to handcuff him a vial of liquid fell out of his pocket.The vial of suspected liquid PCP had bits of tobacco in the bottom indicating cigarettes were soaked in the liquid.
City police arrested two men Tuesday night and ended up charging one with possession with intent to distribute PCP.
Police were searching for two men following a robbery when an officer spotted two men, one matching a description from the robbery, standing next to a tree on Severn Island Court off Bywater Road.
As officers approached, one walked away, wobbly like, and hid behind a trailer. The other held on to the tree, supporting himself. Officers noticed the distinct odor of PCP.
The second man began to also walk away, then ran. Officers were able to catch him. As they wrestled to handcuff him a vial of liquid fell out of his pocket.
The vial of suspected liquid PCP had bits of tobacco in the bottom indicating cigarettes were soaked in the liquid.
― beachville, Thursday, 1 March 2012 12:19 (nine years ago) link
I only ever knew of PCP as the drug that one of the policemen in the Terminator suggested as an explanation for how Arnie could punch through a windscreen.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:34 (nine years ago) link
A handful of people got busted for PCP at the beach at the end of my street around 10 a.m. yesterday morning. I was out walking my dogs with my 5-year-old daughter when we came across the scene. All in their 50s and 60s, from the look of them. There were 5 cop cars when we walked past and fire and ambulance showed up later on. I asked one of the cops what was going on and he just told me "we've got some people here who are a few cards short of a deck." At the time, I just thought he meant they were crazy and maybe drunk, but my wife walked down there later and talked to them and they elaborated that it was PCP.
― how's life, Tuesday, 5 July 2016 12:59 (four years ago) link