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this can be a rolling thread, maybe. forgive me if one already exists, i didn't see it.

i started taking guitar lessons again! that is exciting

my long term black/doom metal band (argentinum astrum) recorded an album last fall and we're waiting on a label dude to get another label to go in on releasing it? i have no idea how or what that is about. i want it to come out soon because we haven't put anything out in a couple years and i want to tour and am antsy about it.

im learning ableton in order to start doing electronic stuff by myself. that's kind of on the backburner atm tho

one of my fave local bands atm asked me to replace their bassist/harmony singer and i am probably gonna do it. it is kind of superchunk-esque?

i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends and we just had our first practice. guitar, bass and drums. playing kind of 60s-esque poppy tunes so far, but i have no idea where we will end up. i think we are gonna be called "high school"?? please tell me if that is a ridiculous name.

i recorded this local band called Killer Whale who play very crazy surf-influenced punk/metal, i love them and i am excited to record bands and put out records and things tho god it is so expensive to do this

i've been playing in this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians. i just joined it, but it's kind of a local institution, been around a while with a rotating cast of ppl around this one guy. i don't know. it's fun to play with him , and very fun to choose and learn the songs, but he has a weird value system w/r/t music, ie he doesn't want me to sing harmonies cause i sing "like an angel", which isn't really true. he also has no ambitions (how can you be ambitious with a covers band really tho) and is really skeptical of people who have them. its fun tho.

i dont really have time to do any of this stuff

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:04 (eight years ago) link

this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians

haha i love this

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:17 (eight years ago) link

haha its exactly what it sounds like

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:18 (eight years ago) link

the first person I contacted about guitar lessons is too busy to take me on as a student but promised to give me contact info for other ppl, which basically means I am back at square one re: finding a guitar teacher

I am currently in the process of tracking down sheet music for a recital of solo and ensemble spiritual arrangements I'm doing as part of a quartet made up of ppl from my church choir (inc. my wife as the soprano) for the Tuesday before Easter; we're also going to take parts of that recital to do as music for the Good Friday service later that week.

I'm also looking over the Dvorak Mass in D major, which I'm doing at an evening Good Friday service in Dorchester; my primary responsibility AFAIK is augmenting the bass section but I believe I'm also going to be doing the tiny solo parts as well. (The other ppl from that include my wife again plus other folks from the spiritual ensemble we sing in.)

Also have a concert with the church choir coming up where we're doing Stainer's Crucifixion; I am not the bass soloist for it (thank God).

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:42 (eight years ago) link

i didnt realize you were a bass! it occurs to me that i have never actually heard you sing. i imagined you having a very high tenor voice. haw.

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:43 (eight years ago) link

i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends

Me too! We are called Ta1nted Pussy and have played 2 shows so far. We were supposed to have a show next Saturday opening for this weird Dutch guy, but he got detained by the Dutch government and told he can't leave the country without a work permit, so that show was cancelled. I play bass. I have not played bass since I was a teenager. So now I get to have fun learning/re-learning an instrument, plus I get to have fun with pedals. We are all noise/new music ladies, thus lots of fun with pedals. I got a Dr. Sample 202 for christmas! More fun! I kept one of the built-in samples, which is a lady saying "Stand By" for when we have technical difficulties during our sets.

We are planning to tour at some point later this year. L.A., maybe the South?

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:53 (eight years ago) link

next month we have a gig opening for Cock E.S.P.

Our singer said, "Why do we always end up on shows with other bands with dirty names?"

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:54 (eight years ago) link

having trouble finding time/motivation/energy to do anything too focused or serious over the past couple of years. i was playing with my friend who's a full-time musician but he decided to just play shows solo instead of with a band because the economics/logistics are easier that way. i've been doing some sample-based stuff on reason recently, i like it because it takes me back to when i was learning guitar and didn't know what i was doing and would come up with cool stuff by accident. also occasionally jamming/recording with the drummer from my old band, doing shitty lofi four-track stuff.

i would really like to have a more regular band where someone else bore the heavy lifting of the songwriting and i could just come in and play guitar and play shows a few times a year. but i'm not really connected to any kind of music scene anymore so i don't know how to find that kind of situation.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:56 (eight years ago) link

Band practice tonight. Eagerly anticipating our two track demo bak from being mixed/mastered although worried it might sound bad as we only spent two days on it.
Working on writing and practising our next batch of songs after an initial 6. It's now a concern that we have a 'sound' and aesthetic developing, meaning that we have songs we wrote and quite like that for one reason or another don't work very well alongside the others. Anyone had this problem? It didn't really matter before because we were still forming an identity which eventually formed into 6 upbeat slightly unhinged post punk numbers, but now this next one is a big dramatic sweeping thing with a more serious tone and we're not sure what to do with it.
Also written a reggae song, which I'm please with but need a way to subvert because right now it's verging a little too close to sixth form peace and love bob Marley cliches and I want to put a twist on all that really.
Wrote a sort of fast kinda sung-rap song but my girlfriend said it sounded like flight of the conchords. Not that that's an insult, but I wanted it to aoud more like Haim or something.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:02 (eight years ago) link

i didnt realize you were a bass! it occurs to me that i have never actually heard you sing. i imagined you having a very high tenor voice. haw.

haha that would make my dad very, very happy (he's a failed tenor in a previous life, sang lead in a doo-wop group in college)

I am technically a "bass-baritone" which really means that because most of my singing experience comes from being in ensembles rather than private, focused vocal study, I have no idea how to use my head voice and sing practically everything in chest; I have a sneaking suspicion I would end up being a true baritone or even a low tenor after several years of focused, serious voice training based on how my low range actually sounds, but the flip side is that I can actually croak out low notes even if they're inaudible unless I've been binge-drinking the night before so I dunno. But yeah, I've always sung low.

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:17 (eight years ago) link

(which is actually why, in my teens, I realized I was never going to be a pop or rock singer, and why I was so taken by the grunge explosion)

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:18 (eight years ago) link

putting the last touches on my new record (doesn't feel new, been working on it for about 15 months now) to send to mastering next week, figuring out how to put it out.

then i want to take some time to switch up my process, shake things up a little. work on some new synth sounds without any goals, try to finally learn ableton, record a bunch of new percussion samples. i want to take some piano lessons too, since i do everything with midi + mouse. i can figure stuff out on piano very sloooowly, so i thought it would be fun to play through some tunes in real time and get some chords under my fingers.

honestly though i probably won't do most of these things and i'll go back to what feels easy & comfortable. :/

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:51 (eight years ago) link

I just got our first track back from the studio. I love it and I also cringe a bit because I can hear bits where my voice goes a bit wrong or a beat doesn't quite land how it's meant, and I'm trying to work out if anyone in their right mind would really notice or care.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:57 (eight years ago) link

roxy high school is an amazing band name

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:58 (eight years ago) link

this is a neat thread idea.

i've been playing with a couple guys for the last month or so but it's just working out that well. they seem like they really want to sound like real estate or something, which isn't terrible, but a bad real estate impersonation comes out sounding reaaaaally bad, and it's not much fun to play drums to, either!

i've been writing and recording some new tunes, which doesn't sound like much but it's actually been a big breakthrough for me after about a 10 year songwriting/music coma that i didn't realize was a coma.

i'm moving back to chicago in a few months and i'm determined to join up with a good band. i used to be good friends with the cave/bitchin bajas scene so i'm hoping i can be looped back into all that stuff and that someone needs a good drummer

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:05 (eight years ago) link

and yeah, high school is good, although i have to say i liked it even more when i thought the name was high school??

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:05 (eight years ago) link

haha

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:08 (eight years ago) link

whoa z s do you want to be in a band with me?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:10 (eight years ago) link

this is going to be really awkward when you reject me

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:10 (eight years ago) link

well, that was easy. sure, let's play!

it's gonna be more like september or so

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:12 (eight years ago) link

i think we are gonna be called "high school"??
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I started a band in college called junior high university. I recorded one song for it and we had two practices and then everyone split up in different directions. that was the last band I was ever in.

have not touched my recording computer since my son was born. I long for a classical acoustic guitar so i can play around the house but I have no money for that now. debating selling an amp or two. I think my creative well has run dry for the foreseeable future.

we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:19 (eight years ago) link

i'm really burnt out on school this semester & have been slacking off to spend more time doing music stuff. all three bands i'm in are pretty active rn which can be overwhelming at times but is really fun. most notably i went on tour in january and started a new band called l0ud s3x which i am just so, so stoked on. the other songwriter in the band is really prolific and i really want to keep our ratio of songs 1:1. it's been a really fun challenge trying to keep up, he also writes amazing songs so i've had to be really strict about scrapping my tunes if they're not up to par. we're playing our first show at the end of the month & i'm pretty nervous because not everyone shows up for practice consistently and i want it to be spectacular

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:21 (eight years ago) link

sp3ctacular l0ud s3x

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:25 (eight years ago) link

I am not going to go into any more detail than this but the biggest audition opportunity of my lap literally just fell into my lap; I fully expect it to go nowhere but still, you never know...

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:28 (eight years ago) link

would watch n/a z s band

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (eight years ago) link

DJP on x factor, it's America has been waiting for
xp

we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (eight years ago) link

l0ud high school s3x

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:32 (eight years ago) link

the biggest audition opportunity of my lap

lol dan

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:33 (eight years ago) link

oh no, I've said too much

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:34 (eight years ago) link

I am in month 15 of releasing a home-made recording every month. A lot of times I put it off until the month is almost over and then go into crunch mode. But at this point, even though I approach each song as its own thing and wasn't trying to make an album or anything, I can listen to all the tracks straight through and it sounds really cohesive to me, which I think is really cool. I also feel like I get a little better/more efficient at production each time.

I haven't performed onstage in like a year though, which was a conscious decision and I don't miss all of the bullshit that made me sick of doing it, but I do miss being onstage. But I maybe just joined a band that I actually think is really good and is kind of successful locally, which is cool because I don't feel that way about hardly any local bands and also I've never really been in someone else's band. They have kind of a Modern Lovers/Beat Happening/Magnetic Fields/Morrissey vibe. It'll also be neat because I'll be playing synth and I'm not actually a keyboard player at all, I'm a guitarist and songwriter, but that's also why I'll be a good fit for this.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:33 (eight years ago) link

kicking off recording of a new album. finally a chance to properly use all this new synth gear

the history of mom's apple pie (electricsound), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 00:49 (eight years ago) link

Hey all - could I get a little bit of constructive feedback on this please? We've had an initial "how's this?" from the studio engineer on one of our tracks. Overall, I think it's okay but it's very difficult to distance myself and listen to it with uninvolved ears.

I'd really like to hear your thoughts, particularly on the mixing/production (we can't really go back into the studio to do any overdubs or retakes so we're working with the raw material we have, for better or worse). Are there any glaring errors on this track or things I should mention before I get back to him? One thing I noticed is that he's been a bit heavy handed witht he gating and compression, particularly some of the vocal parts where the sibilants and plosives are almost non-existent.

I'm only gonna keep this track online for a short while, but if someone could give it a listen and let me know their thoughts, i'd be very much obliged: https://soundcloud.com/doglatin/honolulu-demo-050313

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:36 (eight years ago) link

god this sounds like a super harsh thing but i dont mean it that way - do you want/intend the beginning to sound like a 80's nylons style acapella group thing? like exactly like one? because thats what i hear. also some pitchy weirdness in the "so afraid" "yesterday" multivoice responses. again, if these are intentional things, no prob.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Lol, I haven't hear the nylons but it is supposed to be a bit of a tongue in cheek doowop thing and if it comes across that way I guess that's intentional. The song is very much a comment on retro culture and so it's littered with 60s and 80s references. Cheers for checking it out jjjusten, I'll look into the autotune thing. Think the sound guy's gone a bit overboard with vocal manipulation, but then we're not at all trained singers so there's undoubtably gonna be a push/pull thing going on.

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:29 (eight years ago) link

song sounds good to me, esp. for a demo. i like it.

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Xpost If you're talkin about Housemartins/Flying Pickets, I def see what you mean and kind of don't mind. I (was made to) grow up with that shit, haha.

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:31 (eight years ago) link

Cheers n/a

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:32 (eight years ago) link

I am making a lil album of songs that are about a min long each, I have about 10 so far where the music is done but I have finished singing over one of them, I've come up w/ vocal melodies for about 3

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:47 (eight years ago) link

I am seriously using the dumbest most unwieldy out of date programs to put the songs together because for whatever reason I like how it all sounds more than if I do it in ableton?

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:54 (eight years ago) link

what are you using?

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:13 (eight years ago) link

I (lol) am using cues in virtual dj to play my laptop like an mpc or w/e (I could slice to a drumkit in ableton and do the same thing I guess, but idk, when I use ableton I spend 3 extra hours on shit) and then editing shit further and recording vocals in audacity, its a forehead in my hands deal, but still

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:22 (eight years ago) link

i love stuff like that.

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:28 (eight years ago) link

well I hope it lives up to its rudimentary description, I'm starting to embrace it, at least this way I don't end up fucking around with corpus for a week with no results

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:35 (eight years ago) link

Good sounding demo, dog latin. I'd get some friends in a room for the backing vocals. And as for your solo performance it's a little too measured, just make sure you're saying "gate" instead of "gay" and make it fast and effortless

a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:18 (eight years ago) link

I was just in Prague recording with a budget-priced orchestra, stuff for five different clients and some stuff for my own use. There were 30 "pieces" ranging from 45-second long bits of orchestral incidental music to 20-minute marathon workouts. A total of 2.5 hours of music and 24 hours to record the whole thing. I def. got paranoid and overworked but I didn't break. I drove that bus.

It went very well but I instinctively prioritized the work of my clients, taking the time to really get something beautiful out of that shaky orchestra. I left not enough time for my own material. Now I'm futzing.

a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:22 (eight years ago) link

cheers FGTI - I did the lead vox, the others did backing. I think the engineer's but too strong a release on my vox because yeah, "gaze" sounds like "gay" etc...

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (eight years ago) link

i'm listening to spotify

markers, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (eight years ago) link

gotta get these tapes out soon (for this band i recorded) but have no idea what im doing! i need to buy a tape duplicator! i need to buy...tapes! i need to figure out how to get this shit onto a master tape! what am i doing with my life! HELP!

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 00:58 (eight years ago) link

i told my mom i was in a new band called high school and she recommended that we call it COOL GIRLS instead. additionally, "i like just a girl's name, like maureen, or mabel, for a girl band"

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:01 (eight years ago) link

lmao at cool girls altho tbh i would like it as a name for a coed or all dude band

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:01 (eight years ago) link

I woke up this morning to find out that a choir in Australia did an arrangement of Rain In Soho at a Fringe Festival this year:

Love this! You might meet someone who's lost like you https://t.co/OjuAiSxJLS @mountain_goats

— kath norx (@kafnorx) August 9, 2021

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Monday, 9 August 2021 12:59 (two months ago) link

last few practices i thought “wow, i can play decently on my electronic kit at home but i suck ass on a real kit, i’m so tired after like two songs.” eventually realized, after kinda hurting myself that second practice, that i was playing too hard. spent the last two weeks recalibrating and played the best practice ever this afternoon. felt good

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 13 August 2021 03:13 (two months ago) link

which parts were hurting after the second practice?

Read between the lines Zach (Karl Malone), Friday, 13 August 2021 05:56 (two months ago) link

mostly my forearms to my wrists were kinda tired + achey for a while

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 13 August 2021 13:57 (two months ago) link

I played my first show since Jan 2020 this week! Venue required temp checks, vax cards, and masks and people actually came out. Felt great & our ~ 20 hrs of rehearsing paid off. I kept my head on straight even when my ride cymbal took a leap and knocked over bass player’s beer. Woops!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 August 2021 14:10 (two months ago) link

Playing music is the light of my life tbh 💕

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 August 2021 14:10 (two months ago) link

That's great, I've been on a real journey with my technique this year (right hand, which is my weak hand even though it's my lead hand usually). The good thing is your body will always tell you when something is forced or unsustainable.

What's been really good lately is that I took a small practice pad to the office since wfm is over, a little Evans RealFeel one with much less bounce than my home pad. Because I don't want to annoy anyone too much or be obnoxious, I'm playing verrrrry quietly. And I know if I can get everything feeling relaxed and fast AND very quiet, well, that's that shit.

xp <3

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 August 2021 14:33 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I went to my first ever bluegrass jam yesterday on the UWS in manhattan - it was very sweet, disproportionately over 60 crowd, all levels. Nice bunch of people, much more enjoyable than playing blues rock with neighborhood dads. I'm totally ready at this point in my life for the kind of jams where you just show up with an acoustic instrument and play, no amps, no pedals, no dialing in settings, no feedback or noise issues, no ear pain, no awkwardness over what to play because there's a common repertoire of tunes.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 August 2021 19:48 (one month ago) link

Felt surprisingly comfortable playing breaks - I've been shedding the stuff, and coming from a jazz background helps me pick it up more quickly.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 30 August 2021 19:50 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

So, I had always wanted to host a house show and I finally said fuck it and did. My backyard has a kind of natural amphitheater overlooking the patio (terraces with retaining walls) and somehow in two weeks I managed to get an incredible bluegrass band to play, got a PA and lighting together and got a ton of people to show up. It was really fun and I want to do it again.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CTvkPc_sJWS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 03:45 (one month ago) link

Oh man that's great. Outdoor shows are so energizing--have only been to a few this summer, but I played one a few weeks ago and it was astoundingly gratifying and lovely

a (waterface), Tuesday, 14 September 2021 16:40 (one month ago) link

Holy shazbot...I got a single recorded wit a new group in the Ville. Ole' Earl just needs to finish getting his mix together and get it Mr. Saff to finish it before sending it off into the world, but depending on schedule, probably will be out in October or so.

earlnash, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 07:31 (one month ago) link

tryna make a prog house classic. please enjoy my cringe-y spoken-word ramblings, idk if anybody will hear this elsewhere, probably not: https://soundcloud.com/808mixtapes/reiko/s-wfo0zuTcgZU

davey, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 10:21 (one month ago) link

I enjoyed it! Seemed to be right in the groove.

DJI, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:28 (one month ago) link

davey I idk how things work in the proper house world, but that's very well done and def sounds like something that should be getting played out, you should send it around.

I've been sending tracks to one of my fave DJs for awhile now, and finally got one signed! He had really good explicit feedback too, which is so hard to find.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 16:48 (one month ago) link

feedback can be super scarce... anyway, thanks, you two! and congrats to you, Jordan, all y'all in the thread who have been finishing work and getting stuff signed ٩( ᐛ )و

davey, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 19:57 (one month ago) link

I now have about 25 bluegrass fiddle tunes that I can play on guitar, and I'm getting pretty decent at pickin'
https://www.instagram.com/thefriendsofcoal/

Meanwhile, I had an interesting family music discovery, i.e. that the Chicago Museum of History has a whole trove of photographs of my grandmother and her folk duo as well as (!) studio recordings of them. Until a couple weeks ago I had no idea such recordings had been made and had only seen one photo of her duo. More in these posts (the photo in the first link is the only one I had seen before):
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUB2gMzs4ca/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUG7W5AsOv7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUH9HTvl33f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 16:22 (three weeks ago) link

That is some cool.

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 01:46 (three weeks ago) link

I'm in touch with people at the museum and it sounds like they will give me a digital copy of the recordings at some point - they are still trying to determine the best way to do it I guess. Will def post when I get them.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 03:37 (three weeks ago) link

I recently found out my great-grandfather was co-composer of the song “Love Sends a Little Gift of Roses,” which I *googles* see had versions by John McCormack, Benny Goodman, Tommy Dorsey & the Andrews Sisters *phew* and many lesser luminaries. It doesn’t appear to have done much for the family coffers, tho, and it certainly isn’t opening any doors for me in the Biz.

I guess I’ll be on the lookout for copies in the 78 bins for curiosity’s sake.

Stoked to hear your grandmother’s recordings! That’s a pretty exciting thing. And with an Ink Spot — man, that’s rubbing elbows with royalty!

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 04:16 (three weeks ago) link

I was honored to be asked to contibute vocals to a couple tracks on my good friend's new djent prog/metal album coming out next year. Not my usual style, but we've worked together before (I was in my last band with him).

I'm finding I am hitting more of a wall than ususal. Ive done about 3 completely different takes/melody ideas so far and none of them feel right. I'm not usually this perfectionist but its also been a long time since I last did any vox with real practice.

Is it common to do a load of diff versions before one comes up with one they like? Should I just send all of em to him and let him pick? haha why is this so hard.

Oh also I am learning I have NO IDEA how to mix/produce vocals. Ive just been applying a light EQ with dropped middle freq (read somewhere thats how R Guthrie does Fraser), very light big room reverb and delay, and it is ok but.... a bit too sibilant/trebly esp when listening on worse speakers. Ugh I have no idea what im doing.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 04:29 (three weeks ago) link

Hi Trayce,

Yes, IME it's pretty normal for a lead vocal part to go thru at least a few iterations before a final version is chosen. And that's just part of the writing process, before you're even concerned with particulars of the recording and mixing.

If sibilance is a problem, then you probably need a de-esser in the vocal channel, and perhaps another before the reverb (assuming the reverb is on its own aux channel).

I could go on and on about vocal production, but will instead refer you to the professionals. This is a lot of info but it has served me well:

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/how-make-your-vocals-twice-good-part-1
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/how-make-your-vocals-twice-good-part-2
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/how-engineers-get-vocals-sit-right-mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iUxRE-mdfk

davey, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 10:07 (three weeks ago) link

Stoked to hear your grandmother’s recordings! That’s a pretty exciting thing. And with an Ink Spot — man, that’s rubbing elbows with royalty!

― "The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 04:16 (eight hours ago) link

Me too! Although tbc, it would probably be an exaggeration to call George "an Ink Spot." I was told he played guitar with them, not sure if he recorded with them or just performed with them. I haven't found much associating his name with the group. He does have a credit on a Sam Cooke recording though, and on a couple of gospel records.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 12:48 (three weeks ago) link

Thanks for those tips/vids Davey!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:43 (three weeks ago) link

We are going into Studio A at Hyde St Studios in a couple weeks for a full week to record a new LP. Taking the week off. Can’t WAIT!

DJI, Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:50 (three weeks ago) link

whoa, that sounds exciting! a full week!

of course, days 1-5 of that week will be the excess of the recording musician, the coke binge, sleeping with everyone, the fight over the phone with the suits. but days 6-7, you gotta lock it down

typo hell #6: i really don't much at all (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 September 2021 01:52 (three weeks ago) link

lol yeah more like they are going to spend like 2 days feverishly dialing in a drum sound before I even get to play a note.

DJI, Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:49 (three weeks ago) link

my first ever release came out today on Wave Machine's launch compilation.

https://www.beatport.com/release/launch-compilation/3514421

(issa bootleg so get it while it's hot, heh.)

davey, Saturday, 2 October 2021 01:52 (three weeks ago) link

Sounds fucking great! Bought.

DJI, Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:27 (three weeks ago) link

thank you!! that's much appreciated :) :)

davey, Sunday, 3 October 2021 11:21 (three weeks ago) link

Congrats! Is this where I admit I've never bought anything off Beatport?

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 4 October 2021 15:31 (two weeks ago) link

Beatport is my backup when something isn't on Bandcamp

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 4 October 2021 15:46 (two weeks ago) link

Bandcamp is more my jam, too. i think this release is exclusive on that platform for another week or so, then goes out to a wider distribution

davey, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 04:25 (two weeks ago) link

(hurrr, by that platform I mean Beatport)

davey, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 04:25 (two weeks ago) link

It was kind of doing my head in to follow up the track I mentioned above, since it fell together really naturally and trying to make similar tracks felt forced. Turns out the label wants to just put it out as a single, which is probably for the best since I'm hitting a wall, but a single feels weird to me, I'd love a b-side at least.

Also they encouraged me to flesh out some of the parts with some harmonies, which I ended up really loving, but they want to go back to the original stripped-down version for the release, lol. This is based on club testing so I trust them, but I'll miss those harmonies.

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

this is a problem I've run into as well, I made stuff that I really liked, but didn't really know how it all came together. When I've tried to follow a more structured process, it doesn't grab or excite me the same way.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

Right? It's mysterious how some ideas/sounds/techniques will provide enough juice for an album, or two tracks, and others are just one-offs. Or none-offs.

But recently I've been talking with writer friends who start to lose it during the editing process because they hate having their words changed or cut down. And I usually say that's the bargain, work with somebody else for their platform, or put it out yourself exactly as you want it for (probably) a much smaller audience. And secretly I almost always thinking the edited version is an improvement, as painful as it is. So, I guess I should listen to my own advice!

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 18:31 (two weeks ago) link

I hosted my first bluegrass jam today (open to anyone, all levels) -- got a bunch of people through meetup and through local bluegrass circles. My favorite thing about it was that the people who showed up easily ranged from in their 30s to 70s, and there are very few intergenerational activities in modern america.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 10 October 2021 02:35 (two weeks ago) link

Very cool, man alive.

Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 03:01 (one week ago) link

Yeah, that’s rad.

DJI, Tuesday, 12 October 2021 04:28 (one week ago) link

Meanwhile, I had an interesting family music discovery, i.e. that the Chicago Museum of History has a whole trove of photographs of my grandmother and her folk duo as well as (!) studio recordings of them. Until a couple weeks ago I had no idea such recordings had been made and had only seen one photo of her duo. More in these posts (the photo in the first link is the only one I had seen before):
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUB2gMzs4ca/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUG7W5AsOv7/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CUH9HTvl33f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:22 AM (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

Update, I got access to the recordings!!!

A little preview here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVPOE5TjjVY/

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 16:49 (four days ago) link

More, please.

That’s very rad. Would fit right into the Folkways catalogue.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 21 October 2021 02:01 (three days ago) link

Love it! Amazing.

DJI, Thursday, 21 October 2021 17:36 (three days ago) link

Xp I actually have this pipe dream of having it released along with some of the awesome photographs. Not really sure where to start on making that happen.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 22 October 2021 03:09 (two days ago) link

How many songs are there?

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 22 October 2021 12:35 (two days ago) link

It's a little bit tricky to sort out - the files I got are a handful of varying lengths, each with multiple songs, some seem to repeat and I haven't figured out whether there are multiple takes of the same song or it's just they spliced the same tracks together differently on different tapes (just haven't had time to sit down and figure it out). I think there are at least 9-10 different songs. It sounds like they were planning to release it and I don't know why they never did -- included in the files is a clip from a radio show that their "manager" (also the photographer) DJ'd and in it he says something about how he's going to play a "pre-release tape" of the duo.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 22 October 2021 13:25 (two days ago) link

Album-length is easier than if it were just a couple of songs, for sure. Rare/unearthed stuff always has some cachet. I would think there’d be labels interested, especially as the music could be accompanied by photos & some good liner notes. The folk revival isn’t exactly the sexiest thing going at the moment, but it’s not the least sexy either.

What you’d want to do is gather the available documentation, then put together a short pitch plus a somewhat longer, more detailed proposal for if the pitch sparks interest.

As well, you’ll want to research which labels might be interested, and rank them by the criteria that matter to you — might be prestige, quality of product & attention to detail, distribution reach, whether they seem like decent folk, or any number of other qualities. Then start door knocking starting with your top choice and working towards the bottom. Many labels have submission guidelines posted on their website — read and obey! If they don’t, you can ask through their general contact. Many probably won’t accept unsolicited submissions, but you might have luck squeaking through anyway if you ask some genuine questions about how to get a proposal considered & have good reasons why the label would be interested (i.e. why the project is a good fit for the label instead of why the label is a good fit for the project). Some will just have a closed-door policy unless you’re going through an agent, although this is less likely to be an issue with reissue/archivally focused labels than with those focusing on active artists.

Honestly, Smithsonian Folkways might be a great fit for this. Their prestige and their commitment to perpetual access to the catalogue make them a very appealing choice by my lights, although the bar to entry might be high. (If you’re considering approaching them, lmk and I’ll see if I can get you a name or 2 on the inside; I know some folks who’re involved with them.) Asch was right there from the beginning to the end of this era & released tons of similar stuff, so it seems to me that this project would only enrich one of the core collections in their catalogue.

As a last resort, you could release it yourself, either physically or just digitally on bandcamp or even SoundCloud, although that’d be a labour of love.

war mice (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 22 October 2021 16:17 (two days ago) link

Awesome, that's great advice. I also think Folkways would be the best fit out of the labels I know, especially because it has a historical and civil rights angle (politically conscious integrated duo that sang at MLK rallies and such) and also I think the sound fits and I think they would do it justice with a nice release that includes good prints of the photos and some good liner notes. And I don't know that it quite has the "cool factor" that some reissue labels might want (as you say, folk revival isn't the sexiest thing).

I would happily also release it myself through a kickstarter/bandcamp, I just don't have the time to put in. I don't ever expect this to make any money, but I feel like a decent label could give this the release it deserves.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 22 October 2021 18:14 (two days ago) link

you might want to look into Dust to Digital too if folkways isn't responsive
not only do they have an awesome instagram account, their thing is releasing old recordings and they make beautiful packages
https://dust-digital.com/

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 22 October 2021 21:01 (two days ago) link

That’s a good idea. Thanks.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 23 October 2021 04:57 (yesterday) link


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