this can be a rolling thread, maybe. forgive me if one already exists, i didn't see it.
i started taking guitar lessons again! that is exciting
my long term black/doom metal band (argentinum astrum) recorded an album last fall and we're waiting on a label dude to get another label to go in on releasing it? i have no idea how or what that is about. i want it to come out soon because we haven't put anything out in a couple years and i want to tour and am antsy about it.
im learning ableton in order to start doing electronic stuff by myself. that's kind of on the backburner atm tho
one of my fave local bands atm asked me to replace their bassist/harmony singer and i am probably gonna do it. it is kind of superchunk-esque?
i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends and we just had our first practice. guitar, bass and drums. playing kind of 60s-esque poppy tunes so far, but i have no idea where we will end up. i think we are gonna be called "high school"?? please tell me if that is a ridiculous name.
i recorded this local band called Killer Whale who play very crazy surf-influenced punk/metal, i love them and i am excited to record bands and put out records and things tho god it is so expensive to do this
i've been playing in this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians. i just joined it, but it's kind of a local institution, been around a while with a rotating cast of ppl around this one guy. i don't know. it's fun to play with him , and very fun to choose and learn the songs, but he has a weird value system w/r/t music, ie he doesn't want me to sing harmonies cause i sing "like an angel", which isn't really true. he also has no ambitions (how can you be ambitious with a covers band really tho) and is really skeptical of people who have them. its fun tho.
i dont really have time to do any of this stuff
― purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:04 (eight years ago) link
this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians
haha i love this
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:17 (eight years ago) link
haha its exactly what it sounds like
― purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:18 (eight years ago) link
the first person I contacted about guitar lessons is too busy to take me on as a student but promised to give me contact info for other ppl, which basically means I am back at square one re: finding a guitar teacher
I am currently in the process of tracking down sheet music for a recital of solo and ensemble spiritual arrangements I'm doing as part of a quartet made up of ppl from my church choir (inc. my wife as the soprano) for the Tuesday before Easter; we're also going to take parts of that recital to do as music for the Good Friday service later that week.
I'm also looking over the Dvorak Mass in D major, which I'm doing at an evening Good Friday service in Dorchester; my primary responsibility AFAIK is augmenting the bass section but I believe I'm also going to be doing the tiny solo parts as well. (The other ppl from that include my wife again plus other folks from the spiritual ensemble we sing in.)
Also have a concert with the church choir coming up where we're doing Stainer's Crucifixion; I am not the bass soloist for it (thank God).
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:42 (eight years ago) link
i didnt realize you were a bass! it occurs to me that i have never actually heard you sing. i imagined you having a very high tenor voice. haw.
― purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:43 (eight years ago) link
i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends
Me too! We are called Ta1nted Pussy and have played 2 shows so far. We were supposed to have a show next Saturday opening for this weird Dutch guy, but he got detained by the Dutch government and told he can't leave the country without a work permit, so that show was cancelled. I play bass. I have not played bass since I was a teenager. So now I get to have fun learning/re-learning an instrument, plus I get to have fun with pedals. We are all noise/new music ladies, thus lots of fun with pedals. I got a Dr. Sample 202 for christmas! More fun! I kept one of the built-in samples, which is a lady saying "Stand By" for when we have technical difficulties during our sets.
We are planning to tour at some point later this year. L.A., maybe the South?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:53 (eight years ago) link
next month we have a gig opening for Cock E.S.P.
Our singer said, "Why do we always end up on shows with other bands with dirty names?"
― sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:54 (eight years ago) link
having trouble finding time/motivation/energy to do anything too focused or serious over the past couple of years. i was playing with my friend who's a full-time musician but he decided to just play shows solo instead of with a band because the economics/logistics are easier that way. i've been doing some sample-based stuff on reason recently, i like it because it takes me back to when i was learning guitar and didn't know what i was doing and would come up with cool stuff by accident. also occasionally jamming/recording with the drummer from my old band, doing shitty lofi four-track stuff.
i would really like to have a more regular band where someone else bore the heavy lifting of the songwriting and i could just come in and play guitar and play shows a few times a year. but i'm not really connected to any kind of music scene anymore so i don't know how to find that kind of situation.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:56 (eight years ago) link
Band practice tonight. Eagerly anticipating our two track demo bak from being mixed/mastered although worried it might sound bad as we only spent two days on it. Working on writing and practising our next batch of songs after an initial 6. It's now a concern that we have a 'sound' and aesthetic developing, meaning that we have songs we wrote and quite like that for one reason or another don't work very well alongside the others. Anyone had this problem? It didn't really matter before because we were still forming an identity which eventually formed into 6 upbeat slightly unhinged post punk numbers, but now this next one is a big dramatic sweeping thing with a more serious tone and we're not sure what to do with it. Also written a reggae song, which I'm please with but need a way to subvert because right now it's verging a little too close to sixth form peace and love bob Marley cliches and I want to put a twist on all that really.Wrote a sort of fast kinda sung-rap song but my girlfriend said it sounded like flight of the conchords. Not that that's an insult, but I wanted it to aoud more like Haim or something.
― dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:02 (eight years ago) link
haha that would make my dad very, very happy (he's a failed tenor in a previous life, sang lead in a doo-wop group in college)
I am technically a "bass-baritone" which really means that because most of my singing experience comes from being in ensembles rather than private, focused vocal study, I have no idea how to use my head voice and sing practically everything in chest; I have a sneaking suspicion I would end up being a true baritone or even a low tenor after several years of focused, serious voice training based on how my low range actually sounds, but the flip side is that I can actually croak out low notes even if they're inaudible unless I've been binge-drinking the night before so I dunno. But yeah, I've always sung low.
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:17 (eight years ago) link
(which is actually why, in my teens, I realized I was never going to be a pop or rock singer, and why I was so taken by the grunge explosion)
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:18 (eight years ago) link
putting the last touches on my new record (doesn't feel new, been working on it for about 15 months now) to send to mastering next week, figuring out how to put it out.
then i want to take some time to switch up my process, shake things up a little. work on some new synth sounds without any goals, try to finally learn ableton, record a bunch of new percussion samples. i want to take some piano lessons too, since i do everything with midi + mouse. i can figure stuff out on piano very sloooowly, so i thought it would be fun to play through some tunes in real time and get some chords under my fingers.
honestly though i probably won't do most of these things and i'll go back to what feels easy & comfortable. :/
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:51 (eight years ago) link
I just got our first track back from the studio. I love it and I also cringe a bit because I can hear bits where my voice goes a bit wrong or a beat doesn't quite land how it's meant, and I'm trying to work out if anyone in their right mind would really notice or care.
― dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:57 (eight years ago) link
roxy high school is an amazing band name
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:58 (eight years ago) link
this is a neat thread idea.
i've been playing with a couple guys for the last month or so but it's just working out that well. they seem like they really want to sound like real estate or something, which isn't terrible, but a bad real estate impersonation comes out sounding reaaaaally bad, and it's not much fun to play drums to, either!
i've been writing and recording some new tunes, which doesn't sound like much but it's actually been a big breakthrough for me after about a 10 year songwriting/music coma that i didn't realize was a coma.
i'm moving back to chicago in a few months and i'm determined to join up with a good band. i used to be good friends with the cave/bitchin bajas scene so i'm hoping i can be looped back into all that stuff and that someone needs a good drummer
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:05 (eight years ago) link
and yeah, high school is good, although i have to say i liked it even more when i thought the name was high school??
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:08 (eight years ago) link
whoa z s do you want to be in a band with me?
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:10 (eight years ago) link
this is going to be really awkward when you reject me
well, that was easy. sure, let's play!
it's gonna be more like september or so
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:12 (eight years ago) link
i think we are gonna be called "high school"??aI started a band in college called junior high university. I recorded one song for it and we had two practices and then everyone split up in different directions. that was the last band I was ever in.
have not touched my recording computer since my son was born. I long for a classical acoustic guitar so i can play around the house but I have no money for that now. debating selling an amp or two. I think my creative well has run dry for the foreseeable future.
― we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:19 (eight years ago) link
i'm really burnt out on school this semester & have been slacking off to spend more time doing music stuff. all three bands i'm in are pretty active rn which can be overwhelming at times but is really fun. most notably i went on tour in january and started a new band called l0ud s3x which i am just so, so stoked on. the other songwriter in the band is really prolific and i really want to keep our ratio of songs 1:1. it's been a really fun challenge trying to keep up, he also writes amazing songs so i've had to be really strict about scrapping my tunes if they're not up to par. we're playing our first show at the end of the month & i'm pretty nervous because not everyone shows up for practice consistently and i want it to be spectacular
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:21 (eight years ago) link
sp3ctacular l0ud s3x
― ( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:25 (eight years ago) link
I am not going to go into any more detail than this but the biggest audition opportunity of my lap literally just fell into my lap; I fully expect it to go nowhere but still, you never know...
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:28 (eight years ago) link
would watch n/a z s band
― flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (eight years ago) link
DJP on x factor, it's America has been waiting forxp
― we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (eight years ago) link
l0ud high school s3x
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:32 (eight years ago) link
the biggest audition opportunity of my lap
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:33 (eight years ago) link
oh no, I've said too much
― "Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:34 (eight years ago) link
I am in month 15 of releasing a home-made recording every month. A lot of times I put it off until the month is almost over and then go into crunch mode. But at this point, even though I approach each song as its own thing and wasn't trying to make an album or anything, I can listen to all the tracks straight through and it sounds really cohesive to me, which I think is really cool. I also feel like I get a little better/more efficient at production each time.
I haven't performed onstage in like a year though, which was a conscious decision and I don't miss all of the bullshit that made me sick of doing it, but I do miss being onstage. But I maybe just joined a band that I actually think is really good and is kind of successful locally, which is cool because I don't feel that way about hardly any local bands and also I've never really been in someone else's band. They have kind of a Modern Lovers/Beat Happening/Magnetic Fields/Morrissey vibe. It'll also be neat because I'll be playing synth and I'm not actually a keyboard player at all, I'm a guitarist and songwriter, but that's also why I'll be a good fit for this.
― St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:33 (eight years ago) link
kicking off recording of a new album. finally a chance to properly use all this new synth gear
― the history of mom's apple pie (electricsound), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 00:49 (eight years ago) link
Hey all - could I get a little bit of constructive feedback on this please? We've had an initial "how's this?" from the studio engineer on one of our tracks. Overall, I think it's okay but it's very difficult to distance myself and listen to it with uninvolved ears.
I'd really like to hear your thoughts, particularly on the mixing/production (we can't really go back into the studio to do any overdubs or retakes so we're working with the raw material we have, for better or worse). Are there any glaring errors on this track or things I should mention before I get back to him? One thing I noticed is that he's been a bit heavy handed witht he gating and compression, particularly some of the vocal parts where the sibilants and plosives are almost non-existent.
I'm only gonna keep this track online for a short while, but if someone could give it a listen and let me know their thoughts, i'd be very much obliged: https://soundcloud.com/doglatin/honolulu-demo-050313
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:36 (eight years ago) link
god this sounds like a super harsh thing but i dont mean it that way - do you want/intend the beginning to sound like a 80's nylons style acapella group thing? like exactly like one? because thats what i hear. also some pitchy weirdness in the "so afraid" "yesterday" multivoice responses. again, if these are intentional things, no prob.
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 16:49 (eight years ago) link
Lol, I haven't hear the nylons but it is supposed to be a bit of a tongue in cheek doowop thing and if it comes across that way I guess that's intentional. The song is very much a comment on retro culture and so it's littered with 60s and 80s references. Cheers for checking it out jjjusten, I'll look into the autotune thing. Think the sound guy's gone a bit overboard with vocal manipulation, but then we're not at all trained singers so there's undoubtably gonna be a push/pull thing going on.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:29 (eight years ago) link
song sounds good to me, esp. for a demo. i like it.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:30 (eight years ago) link
Xpost If you're talkin about Housemartins/Flying Pickets, I def see what you mean and kind of don't mind. I (was made to) grow up with that shit, haha.
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:31 (eight years ago) link
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:32 (eight years ago) link
I am making a lil album of songs that are about a min long each, I have about 10 so far where the music is done but I have finished singing over one of them, I've come up w/ vocal melodies for about 3
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:47 (eight years ago) link
I am seriously using the dumbest most unwieldy out of date programs to put the songs together because for whatever reason I like how it all sounds more than if I do it in ableton?
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:54 (eight years ago) link
what are you using?
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:13 (eight years ago) link
I (lol) am using cues in virtual dj to play my laptop like an mpc or w/e (I could slice to a drumkit in ableton and do the same thing I guess, but idk, when I use ableton I spend 3 extra hours on shit) and then editing shit further and recording vocals in audacity, its a forehead in my hands deal, but still
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:22 (eight years ago) link
i love stuff like that.
― queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:28 (eight years ago) link
well I hope it lives up to its rudimentary description, I'm starting to embrace it, at least this way I don't end up fucking around with corpus for a week with no results
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:35 (eight years ago) link
Good sounding demo, dog latin. I'd get some friends in a room for the backing vocals. And as for your solo performance it's a little too measured, just make sure you're saying "gate" instead of "gay" and make it fast and effortless
― a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:18 (eight years ago) link
I was just in Prague recording with a budget-priced orchestra, stuff for five different clients and some stuff for my own use. There were 30 "pieces" ranging from 45-second long bits of orchestral incidental music to 20-minute marathon workouts. A total of 2.5 hours of music and 24 hours to record the whole thing. I def. got paranoid and overworked but I didn't break. I drove that bus.
It went very well but I instinctively prioritized the work of my clients, taking the time to really get something beautiful out of that shaky orchestra. I left not enough time for my own material. Now I'm futzing.
― a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:22 (eight years ago) link
cheers FGTI - I did the lead vox, the others did backing. I think the engineer's but too strong a release on my vox because yeah, "gaze" sounds like "gay" etc...
― dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (eight years ago) link
i'm listening to spotify
― markers, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (eight years ago) link
gotta get these tapes out soon (for this band i recorded) but have no idea what im doing! i need to buy a tape duplicator! i need to buy...tapes! i need to figure out how to get this shit onto a master tape! what am i doing with my life! HELP!
― purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 00:58 (eight years ago) link
i told my mom i was in a new band called high school and she recommended that we call it COOL GIRLS instead. additionally, "i like just a girl's name, like maureen, or mabel, for a girl band"
― purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:01 (eight years ago) link
lmao at cool girls altho tbh i would like it as a name for a coed or all dude band
I've been known to flippantly attribute his whole career to sibling rivalry. xp!
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Sunday, 14 March 2021 23:41 (one month ago) link
Lol team Fred here
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Sunday, 14 March 2021 23:44 (one month ago) link
You could always go into classical or jazz and ensure that your listeners will always be other musicians.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Sunday, March 14, 2021 2:41 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Lol, I was wondering who that post was going to be by, thought it would be Jordan.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, March 14, 2021 3:4
Lol, my electronic music is definitely purchased primarily by DJs and producers, as far as I can tell. But that's part of what drew me to dance and dance-adjacent music tbh -- DJs actually need copies of music to play, and there's a culture of buying, playing, and sharing it.
I think I posted something like this upthread, but there's nothing to lose by posting releases on Bandcamp. I would just keep expectations low, since like others have said, it's hard to get anyone to pay attention outside your immediate circle. Even with a label and a wider reach, only a small percentage of those who hear about it will take the time to listen, and an even smaller percentage of those will actually buy something on Bandcamp. Tbh it's kind of a miracle that anyone does.
And it's easy to just look at the really successful releases on Bandcamp with hundreds of little squares below the artwork and think that just happens. All the releases look more or less the same after all, you don't see whatever irl scene or label/marketing/etc is behind it.
Anyway boxedjoy is otm, at least something unexpected will happen if you put something out there and maybe send it to a few people you like/respect, especially if you keep doing it. That's been the case for me, and it's always something different.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 15 March 2021 14:47 (one month ago) link
Thanks for the Bandcamp advice folks!
― paolo, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:07 (one month ago) link
Simon's brother was in Henry Cow!
Wow, things I am shockingly old when I learned, I had no idea
― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 15 March 2021 15:14 (one month ago) link
― Canon in Deez (silby), Sunday, March 14, 2021 5:33 PM (yesterday)
this was a good read, thanks silby
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 15 March 2021 18:50 (one month ago) link
My undergrad alma mater has had a rock guitar program since the early 90s. I suspect that this was not the pitch that made it happen:
It is not that it requires institutionalized pedagogy to maintain a tradition, but that it needs financial support to maintain its practitioners
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 01:18 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAizj1BuAMwWe must do our alma mater.
― The Ballad of Mel Cooley (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 16 March 2021 03:32 (one month ago) link
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, March 15, 2021 2:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
I was excited to read this but found it pretty disappointing.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:50 (one month ago) link
Idk if this is the right thread to discuss in any detail?
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:51 (one month ago) link
but i don't know. honestly, most people like me just don't post. if they don't know, they just don't post. i have the poster's disease of just posting, even if i don't know. i don't know. beats me
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:54 (one month ago) link
I think it would be best to dig up a relevant thread or start a new one. I'm sure there are more and better pieces on the topic.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 17 March 2021 21:59 (one month ago) link
Yeah, the article annoyed me, as was probably clear, even if I am all for 'institutionalising' any music (which is m/l the status quo in this country anyway). I could expand on another thread.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 March 2021 00:31 (one month ago) link
"annoyed" is exactly what it made me feel. I kind if want to start a new thread for saying 'no' to that article point by point. Are you a professional music instructor, Sund4r?
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 18 March 2021 01:00 (one month ago) link
I am, yeah.
― to party with our demons (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 March 2021 01:38 (one month ago) link
dunno where to put this so it's going here
There’s a point in your life we’re you’re sat at work and the new starter tells people he plays guitar and someone says “ oh. Andrew used to be in a band” and you’re sat with a tie on and your wedding trousers and just feel terrible and they say “ he played Banjo with Muse”— a.remote.viewer (@anewlinerelated) March 19, 2021
― lukas, Friday, 19 March 2021 20:18 (four weeks ago) link
So I've made my wee bandcamp page and I'm going to try to organise my music into EPs or something. I was just wondering, when you lot are making music do you think about it how it would sound in the context of an album/EP or whatever or do you just treat each track as it's own thing?
So far I've just been taking each one as it comes and sort of starting afresh each time. I realise there's no right or wrong way of doing this, I'm just curious as to how other musicians think about these things.
― paolo, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 13:46 (three weeks ago) link
bandcamp is the best platform IMO.
music streaming services' rise has precipitated a trend away from album releases and toward a steady drip of singles. obviously the album format is not going away, but maybe it's worth mentioning because it could mean there's less need for an album to break an artist, along with an increase in pressure to churn out more tunes. seems like it's publish or perish for the pop world as well as academia.
anyway i just think one track at a time. i'd been planning to cut a 2-tracker, but a catastrophic data loss event befell me, TWO very new laptops died for no apparent reason, and i was left dead in the water for several months as a result. i forget where i read that 2 is the ideal number of tracks for an EP, but it resonated with me. tons of dance music EPs suffer from filler tracks and remixes.
― davey, Thursday, 25 March 2021 00:06 (three weeks ago) link
in my musical life i recently taught myself how to make tech house and came up with this track... or maybe it's 90s house. it samples paris is burning. i wish i could clean up the mix a bit, but all the data recovery software in the world could not bring back the session files, so the bounce of the ruff mix will be final: https://soundcloud.com/808mixtapes/davey-shindig-nerve/s-63y9hCl1kAA
shortly after i made that, i went through a cluster of tech nightmares and stopped making music for 4 months. just got back to it in earnest this week.
― davey, Thursday, 25 March 2021 00:15 (three weeks ago) link
I think with an album/EP you just know. When I was writing and recording stuff last year I had about 20 files that I had been working on over the first three months, and I found that some began to make sense together in a way that others didn't. I had one or two that I really liked that didn't "fit" with what else I was doing.
Listening to a playlist of them on shuffle helped me a lot in terms of thinking of sequencing and intent, but I don't think it's as important these days. People might play your album or EP sequentially once they've bought it, but if they go on to your actual Bandcamp page the first thing they'll hear is your selected track.
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 25 March 2021 09:51 (three weeks ago) link
also davey I really like that, Paris Is Burning can seem like such an obvious source of samples but I love what you've done with it
― boxedjoy, Thursday, 25 March 2021 09:53 (three weeks ago) link
thank u boxedjoy! i couldn't not sample it, it's cries out to be sampled.
― davey, Thursday, 25 March 2021 11:05 (three weeks ago) link
a week worth of xp's paolo:Yep, thats me. Back in the dubstep days I had a couple of vinyl releases, then put out various releases / remixes out digitally on Tigerbeat6 / Noodles (Si Begg's label) / Studio Rockers / Rocstar and quite a few smaller ones. I eventually went down the whole 'build a room full of music kit and do it all on hardware' route and promptly ended up down a procrastination black hole (and the day job started taking up a lot more time), and didn't even send out tunes fornquite a few years.I finally bit the bullet recently and went back to just a Macbook and a few choice bits of kit and that EP I posted is the first result :D
― (the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:00 (three weeks ago) link
― (the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:01 (three weeks ago) link
Personally I'm always thinking in terms of albums & EPs, but it's more like 'how many tracks can I get out of this particular concept/technique/gear setup'?
If it's extremely fruitful, then it's an album, but that's only really happened a few times for me. Often it's only two or three tracks before I exhaust that avenue, then it's either an EP, or I pair them with another set of tracks that can plausibly fit together, and then I'll specifically make a few more to bridge the sonic gaps (which can be inspiring in itself).
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:07 (three weeks ago) link
(btw Willl I'm curious what those choice bits are)
@ Jordan - its all long obsolete stuff that I've had knocking around since the 90's atm, all actual sound generation is coming from the Mac: Akai S2000 with a flash drive containing every drum break chopped up, only really used for jungle bits / timestretching, or to overload the inputs and then sample back to Ableton.Soundcraft Spirit Folio 12 channel desk, literally used as a 12 channel distortion pedal to feed multiple outs from Ableton, saturate and mix together, then resample back in the box.+ Roland Octapad Pad 80 for drumming fun + electric piano / knobby controllers etc.
― (the one with 3 L's) (Willl), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:32 (three weeks ago) link
Davey that track above is nice
― paolo, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:02 (two weeks ago) link
thank u paolo-san
― davey, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:05 (two weeks ago) link
I have another general music question that doesn't have a right or wrong answer, and here it is: do you lot usually finish a track that you've started or do most of them get abandoned?
I've been making an effort for the last couple of years or so to finish just about everything that I start. I think it's quite common for new producers to give up on tracks early and I stopped doing that after reading a tip for beginners saying that it's generally best to finish something even if you're not happy with it, because if you don't practise finishing music then you'll only get good at starting tracks off. This can get quite frustrating though because obviously when you're working in a DAW you can go over and over something for ever and sometimes it's just not worth it, but then again sometimes it is. So I'm trying to get a balance between persevering with something and realising when enough is enough and it's time to drop it.
― paolo, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:17 (two weeks ago) link
I definitely have a fair amount of unfinshed stuff on my hard drive. If you've never finished something, that sounds like good advice. However, it's fine to cut bait on something if you aren't feeling it!
― DJI, Monday, 29 March 2021 17:23 (two weeks ago) link
Once a track gets past a certain point I almost always finish it. I think it's a good skill to recognize when something isn't worth fixing though, when to just move on. I have plenty of sketches that just didn't get off the runway.
I can only think of one track in the last year or two that was borderline, it went through multiple total re-writes, but I was too in love with the main beat to give up on it (even though everything I added to it made it worse for awhile).
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 29 March 2021 18:23 (two weeks ago) link
I'm very bad about losing interest in quality tracks before finishing them, I find that if I leave it too long, I just have a very hard time getting into the headspace where I was excited about the track in the first place
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:32 (two weeks ago) link
my general strategy has been:
1. start working on something2. forget about it for 10/15/20 years (delete where applicable)3. rediscover it around the time ILX does a pre-cover project4. slap some Garageband loops on it and call it done
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:37 (two weeks ago) link
There really is something to be said for re-sampling and mangling abandoned sketches/tracks though, once you've forgotten about them and they feel like they've been done by someone else.
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:39 (two weeks ago) link
i don't have nearly enough patience or skill to try and make music myself but i'm finally getting excited about building a collection of dance music again since the stimmy is paying for my new pioneer controller and i might be able to dj at a function by the end of the year.
― John Cooper of Christian rock band Skillet (map), Monday, 29 March 2021 19:40 (two weeks ago) link
My knowledge of how to edit tracks is still very rudimentary so if I record it live, that means it’s done.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 29 March 2021 23:03 (two weeks ago) link
no reason, but at this point, do you think it's more effective (in terms of getting people's attention) to put stuff out on a bandcamp day, when lots of people are already listening and buying stuff on bandcamp, or a day or two before a bandcamp day, when things are less saturated?
― na (NA), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 14:14 (two weeks ago) link
You could put the release up a few days before as a pre-order w/some preview tracks, then release on bc day? Then you get the announcement + release notifications.
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 14:34 (two weeks ago) link
It's a cliche, but I think artists are probably sensitive people, and I recognize two dominant responses to criticism. One is to develop a runaway self-critical sense, for better or worse. The other is to develop a sort of callousness that allows some people to produce piles of work unobstructed by judgement. Both approaches have their own stigmas, of course.
But there is a deep feeling of failure and inadequacy that I associate with not finishing things, and that feeling is constantly at war with my own desires: to keep things pure in potential, to resist confining the work to a particular 'outcome', and a sense that nothing is ever enough.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 30 March 2021 23:01 (two weeks ago) link
I'm trying to think if i've ever heard an unfinished version of a wotk in progress that the finished version actually improved upon.
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 21:09 (two weeks ago) link
Beatles anthology has a few dozen
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 21:12 (two weeks ago) link
Lol, there's definitely a ton of stuff i haven't heard in any incomplete form tbf
― Adoration of the Mogwai (Deflatormouse), Wednesday, 31 March 2021 21:14 (two weeks ago) link
The pandemic has eventually been good for my drum practice, it was rough for awhile there but enough time with the pad has eventually led to solving some dumb technique issues that have always plagued my weak hand. It only took 25 years! Very on brand for me, I have way more persistence than talent. :)
Not that I can play everything I want to play all of a sudden, but everything is sounding much more natural and even, and I'm actually looking forward to some gigs that are scheduled for this summer/fall.
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:44 (three days ago) link
rad! that is encouraging because i bought a drum set (and a sensory percussion setup) last april... and i thought it'd be like riding a bike, but no, i can't keep a steady beat like i used to. i've failed to practice in favor of working in the DAW. maybe i'll start putting in a little practice time on the regular. persistence gets u further than talent imo.
would you... happen to have any recommendations for a (2nd-time) beginner on where to begin for practice? i'd rather not pay for lessons. maybe i'll put headphones on and try playing along to some funk jams until i'm back in the groove. that's what i did when i was 10 and got my first kit. man, small kid time it was so easy to pick up technique on percussion.
― davey, Saturday, 17 April 2021 12:47 (yesterday) link
Cool! I don't think you really need to pay for lessons these days, with all of the available info on youtube.
What kind of music do you want to play, or what are you interested in improving? For hand stuff, I like to practice on the pad and keep an eye on things like having as little tension as possible everywhere, making sure the stick is resonating (that I'm not gripping it too tightly), that they're both moving in a natural arc, etc. Mostly because I've had some profoundly bad habits in my weak hand for years, which I imagine aren't a problem for a lot of people.
For time, playing to records is great, especially records with programmed beats. I especially like to play swing and triplet stuff over, like, metronomic techno or whatever. But it's also good to just practice with a metronome where there's empty space in between the clicks (and much harder).
For beats & ideas, just looking stuff up on Youtube or listening to records? And really, the answer is whatever seems fun at the time or inspires you to keep playin.
― change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:47 (five hours ago) link
don't forget that this thread exists, lots of good advice already in there imo DRUMMERS: Advice for a beginner
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 18 April 2021 18:59 (two hours ago) link
I think the first time around, I just listened to songs and tried to make more or less the same noises.
A couple years ago I thought it would be good to do some actual practice-pad practice. So I'd do like paradiddles and whatnot. It may theoretically have strengthened my playing and/or my time. But as far as I can tell, in actual performance I just turn my brain off and move my arms, playing more or less what I always would have. Which is almost always adequate for the purpose. I dunno.
― Jurassic parkour (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 18 April 2021 21:00 (fifty-two minutes ago) link
Downloaded this, have to get my tablet working to read the PDF - physical copies are $$$$$ on EBay and Amazon
I was hoping HarvardX or coursera or one of those things would have a experimental music class but a quick search didn't find much.
― Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 18 April 2021 21:27 (twenty-five minutes ago) link