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this can be a rolling thread, maybe. forgive me if one already exists, i didn't see it.

i started taking guitar lessons again! that is exciting

my long term black/doom metal band (argentinum astrum) recorded an album last fall and we're waiting on a label dude to get another label to go in on releasing it? i have no idea how or what that is about. i want it to come out soon because we haven't put anything out in a couple years and i want to tour and am antsy about it.

im learning ableton in order to start doing electronic stuff by myself. that's kind of on the backburner atm tho

one of my fave local bands atm asked me to replace their bassist/harmony singer and i am probably gonna do it. it is kind of superchunk-esque?

i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends and we just had our first practice. guitar, bass and drums. playing kind of 60s-esque poppy tunes so far, but i have no idea where we will end up. i think we are gonna be called "high school"?? please tell me if that is a ridiculous name.

i recorded this local band called Killer Whale who play very crazy surf-influenced punk/metal, i love them and i am excited to record bands and put out records and things tho god it is so expensive to do this

i've been playing in this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians. i just joined it, but it's kind of a local institution, been around a while with a rotating cast of ppl around this one guy. i don't know. it's fun to play with him , and very fun to choose and learn the songs, but he has a weird value system w/r/t music, ie he doesn't want me to sing harmonies cause i sing "like an angel", which isn't really true. he also has no ambitions (how can you be ambitious with a covers band really tho) and is really skeptical of people who have them. its fun tho.

i dont really have time to do any of this stuff

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:04 (seven years ago) link

this band with a weirdo that plays only covers of local, small time musicians

haha i love this

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:17 (seven years ago) link

haha its exactly what it sounds like

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:18 (seven years ago) link

the first person I contacted about guitar lessons is too busy to take me on as a student but promised to give me contact info for other ppl, which basically means I am back at square one re: finding a guitar teacher

I am currently in the process of tracking down sheet music for a recital of solo and ensemble spiritual arrangements I'm doing as part of a quartet made up of ppl from my church choir (inc. my wife as the soprano) for the Tuesday before Easter; we're also going to take parts of that recital to do as music for the Good Friday service later that week.

I'm also looking over the Dvorak Mass in D major, which I'm doing at an evening Good Friday service in Dorchester; my primary responsibility AFAIK is augmenting the bass section but I believe I'm also going to be doing the tiny solo parts as well. (The other ppl from that include my wife again plus other folks from the spiritual ensemble we sing in.)

Also have a concert with the church choir coming up where we're doing Stainer's Crucifixion; I am not the bass soloist for it (thank God).

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:42 (seven years ago) link

i didnt realize you were a bass! it occurs to me that i have never actually heard you sing. i imagined you having a very high tenor voice. haw.

purp (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:43 (seven years ago) link

i started a band with 2 of my girlfriends

Me too! We are called Ta1nted Pussy and have played 2 shows so far. We were supposed to have a show next Saturday opening for this weird Dutch guy, but he got detained by the Dutch government and told he can't leave the country without a work permit, so that show was cancelled. I play bass. I have not played bass since I was a teenager. So now I get to have fun learning/re-learning an instrument, plus I get to have fun with pedals. We are all noise/new music ladies, thus lots of fun with pedals. I got a Dr. Sample 202 for christmas! More fun! I kept one of the built-in samples, which is a lady saying "Stand By" for when we have technical difficulties during our sets.

We are planning to tour at some point later this year. L.A., maybe the South?

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:53 (seven years ago) link

next month we have a gig opening for Cock E.S.P.

Our singer said, "Why do we always end up on shows with other bands with dirty names?"

sarahell, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:54 (seven years ago) link

having trouble finding time/motivation/energy to do anything too focused or serious over the past couple of years. i was playing with my friend who's a full-time musician but he decided to just play shows solo instead of with a band because the economics/logistics are easier that way. i've been doing some sample-based stuff on reason recently, i like it because it takes me back to when i was learning guitar and didn't know what i was doing and would come up with cool stuff by accident. also occasionally jamming/recording with the drummer from my old band, doing shitty lofi four-track stuff.

i would really like to have a more regular band where someone else bore the heavy lifting of the songwriting and i could just come in and play guitar and play shows a few times a year. but i'm not really connected to any kind of music scene anymore so i don't know how to find that kind of situation.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 17:56 (seven years ago) link

Band practice tonight. Eagerly anticipating our two track demo bak from being mixed/mastered although worried it might sound bad as we only spent two days on it.
Working on writing and practising our next batch of songs after an initial 6. It's now a concern that we have a 'sound' and aesthetic developing, meaning that we have songs we wrote and quite like that for one reason or another don't work very well alongside the others. Anyone had this problem? It didn't really matter before because we were still forming an identity which eventually formed into 6 upbeat slightly unhinged post punk numbers, but now this next one is a big dramatic sweeping thing with a more serious tone and we're not sure what to do with it.
Also written a reggae song, which I'm please with but need a way to subvert because right now it's verging a little too close to sixth form peace and love bob Marley cliches and I want to put a twist on all that really.
Wrote a sort of fast kinda sung-rap song but my girlfriend said it sounded like flight of the conchords. Not that that's an insult, but I wanted it to aoud more like Haim or something.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:02 (seven years ago) link

i didnt realize you were a bass! it occurs to me that i have never actually heard you sing. i imagined you having a very high tenor voice. haw.

haha that would make my dad very, very happy (he's a failed tenor in a previous life, sang lead in a doo-wop group in college)

I am technically a "bass-baritone" which really means that because most of my singing experience comes from being in ensembles rather than private, focused vocal study, I have no idea how to use my head voice and sing practically everything in chest; I have a sneaking suspicion I would end up being a true baritone or even a low tenor after several years of focused, serious voice training based on how my low range actually sounds, but the flip side is that I can actually croak out low notes even if they're inaudible unless I've been binge-drinking the night before so I dunno. But yeah, I've always sung low.

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:17 (seven years ago) link

(which is actually why, in my teens, I realized I was never going to be a pop or rock singer, and why I was so taken by the grunge explosion)

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:18 (seven years ago) link

putting the last touches on my new record (doesn't feel new, been working on it for about 15 months now) to send to mastering next week, figuring out how to put it out.

then i want to take some time to switch up my process, shake things up a little. work on some new synth sounds without any goals, try to finally learn ableton, record a bunch of new percussion samples. i want to take some piano lessons too, since i do everything with midi + mouse. i can figure stuff out on piano very sloooowly, so i thought it would be fun to play through some tunes in real time and get some chords under my fingers.

honestly though i probably won't do most of these things and i'll go back to what feels easy & comfortable. :/

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:51 (seven years ago) link

I just got our first track back from the studio. I love it and I also cringe a bit because I can hear bits where my voice goes a bit wrong or a beat doesn't quite land how it's meant, and I'm trying to work out if anyone in their right mind would really notice or care.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:57 (seven years ago) link

roxy high school is an amazing band name

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 18:58 (seven years ago) link

this is a neat thread idea.

i've been playing with a couple guys for the last month or so but it's just working out that well. they seem like they really want to sound like real estate or something, which isn't terrible, but a bad real estate impersonation comes out sounding reaaaaally bad, and it's not much fun to play drums to, either!

i've been writing and recording some new tunes, which doesn't sound like much but it's actually been a big breakthrough for me after about a 10 year songwriting/music coma that i didn't realize was a coma.

i'm moving back to chicago in a few months and i'm determined to join up with a good band. i used to be good friends with the cave/bitchin bajas scene so i'm hoping i can be looped back into all that stuff and that someone needs a good drummer

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:05 (seven years ago) link

and yeah, high school is good, although i have to say i liked it even more when i thought the name was high school??

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:05 (seven years ago) link

haha

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:08 (seven years ago) link

whoa z s do you want to be in a band with me?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:10 (seven years ago) link

this is going to be really awkward when you reject me

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:10 (seven years ago) link

well, that was easy. sure, let's play!

it's gonna be more like september or so

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:12 (seven years ago) link

i think we are gonna be called "high school"??
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I started a band in college called junior high university. I recorded one song for it and we had two practices and then everyone split up in different directions. that was the last band I was ever in.

have not touched my recording computer since my son was born. I long for a classical acoustic guitar so i can play around the house but I have no money for that now. debating selling an amp or two. I think my creative well has run dry for the foreseeable future.

we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:19 (seven years ago) link

i'm really burnt out on school this semester & have been slacking off to spend more time doing music stuff. all three bands i'm in are pretty active rn which can be overwhelming at times but is really fun. most notably i went on tour in january and started a new band called l0ud s3x which i am just so, so stoked on. the other songwriter in the band is really prolific and i really want to keep our ratio of songs 1:1. it's been a really fun challenge trying to keep up, he also writes amazing songs so i've had to be really strict about scrapping my tunes if they're not up to par. we're playing our first show at the end of the month & i'm pretty nervous because not everyone shows up for practice consistently and i want it to be spectacular

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:21 (seven years ago) link

sp3ctacular l0ud s3x

( ( ( ( ( ( ( (Z S), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:25 (seven years ago) link

I am not going to go into any more detail than this but the biggest audition opportunity of my lap literally just fell into my lap; I fully expect it to go nowhere but still, you never know...

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:28 (seven years ago) link

would watch n/a z s band

flopson, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (seven years ago) link

DJP on x factor, it's America has been waiting for
xp

we're beautiful like robots in dis guys (m bison), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:29 (seven years ago) link

l0ud high school s3x

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:32 (seven years ago) link

the biggest audition opportunity of my lap

lol dan

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:33 (seven years ago) link

oh no, I've said too much

"Bellini." (DJP), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 19:34 (seven years ago) link

I am in month 15 of releasing a home-made recording every month. A lot of times I put it off until the month is almost over and then go into crunch mode. But at this point, even though I approach each song as its own thing and wasn't trying to make an album or anything, I can listen to all the tracks straight through and it sounds really cohesive to me, which I think is really cool. I also feel like I get a little better/more efficient at production each time.

I haven't performed onstage in like a year though, which was a conscious decision and I don't miss all of the bullshit that made me sick of doing it, but I do miss being onstage. But I maybe just joined a band that I actually think is really good and is kind of successful locally, which is cool because I don't feel that way about hardly any local bands and also I've never really been in someone else's band. They have kind of a Modern Lovers/Beat Happening/Magnetic Fields/Morrissey vibe. It'll also be neat because I'll be playing synth and I'm not actually a keyboard player at all, I'm a guitarist and songwriter, but that's also why I'll be a good fit for this.

St3ve Go1db3rg, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 21:33 (seven years ago) link

kicking off recording of a new album. finally a chance to properly use all this new synth gear

the history of mom's apple pie (electricsound), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 00:49 (seven years ago) link

Hey all - could I get a little bit of constructive feedback on this please? We've had an initial "how's this?" from the studio engineer on one of our tracks. Overall, I think it's okay but it's very difficult to distance myself and listen to it with uninvolved ears.

I'd really like to hear your thoughts, particularly on the mixing/production (we can't really go back into the studio to do any overdubs or retakes so we're working with the raw material we have, for better or worse). Are there any glaring errors on this track or things I should mention before I get back to him? One thing I noticed is that he's been a bit heavy handed witht he gating and compression, particularly some of the vocal parts where the sibilants and plosives are almost non-existent.

I'm only gonna keep this track online for a short while, but if someone could give it a listen and let me know their thoughts, i'd be very much obliged: https://soundcloud.com/doglatin/honolulu-demo-050313

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 11:36 (seven years ago) link

god this sounds like a super harsh thing but i dont mean it that way - do you want/intend the beginning to sound like a 80's nylons style acapella group thing? like exactly like one? because thats what i hear. also some pitchy weirdness in the "so afraid" "yesterday" multivoice responses. again, if these are intentional things, no prob.

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Lol, I haven't hear the nylons but it is supposed to be a bit of a tongue in cheek doowop thing and if it comes across that way I guess that's intentional. The song is very much a comment on retro culture and so it's littered with 60s and 80s references. Cheers for checking it out jjjusten, I'll look into the autotune thing. Think the sound guy's gone a bit overboard with vocal manipulation, but then we're not at all trained singers so there's undoubtably gonna be a push/pull thing going on.

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:29 (seven years ago) link

song sounds good to me, esp. for a demo. i like it.

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:30 (seven years ago) link

Xpost If you're talkin about Housemartins/Flying Pickets, I def see what you mean and kind of don't mind. I (was made to) grow up with that shit, haha.

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:31 (seven years ago) link

Cheers n/a

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:32 (seven years ago) link

I am making a lil album of songs that are about a min long each, I have about 10 so far where the music is done but I have finished singing over one of them, I've come up w/ vocal melodies for about 3

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:47 (seven years ago) link

I am seriously using the dumbest most unwieldy out of date programs to put the songs together because for whatever reason I like how it all sounds more than if I do it in ableton?

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 17:54 (seven years ago) link

what are you using?

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:13 (seven years ago) link

I (lol) am using cues in virtual dj to play my laptop like an mpc or w/e (I could slice to a drumkit in ableton and do the same thing I guess, but idk, when I use ableton I spend 3 extra hours on shit) and then editing shit further and recording vocals in audacity, its a forehead in my hands deal, but still

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:22 (seven years ago) link

i love stuff like that.

queeple qua queeple (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:28 (seven years ago) link

well I hope it lives up to its rudimentary description, I'm starting to embrace it, at least this way I don't end up fucking around with corpus for a week with no results

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 18:35 (seven years ago) link

Good sounding demo, dog latin. I'd get some friends in a room for the backing vocals. And as for your solo performance it's a little too measured, just make sure you're saying "gate" instead of "gay" and make it fast and effortless

a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:18 (seven years ago) link

I was just in Prague recording with a budget-priced orchestra, stuff for five different clients and some stuff for my own use. There were 30 "pieces" ranging from 45-second long bits of orchestral incidental music to 20-minute marathon workouts. A total of 2.5 hours of music and 24 hours to record the whole thing. I def. got paranoid and overworked but I didn't break. I drove that bus.

It went very well but I instinctively prioritized the work of my clients, taking the time to really get something beautiful out of that shaky orchestra. I left not enough time for my own material. Now I'm futzing.

a) tepid b) vapid c) simpering d) milquetoast (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:22 (seven years ago) link

cheers FGTI - I did the lead vox, the others did backing. I think the engineer's but too strong a release on my vox because yeah, "gaze" sounds like "gay" etc...

dog latin, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (seven years ago) link

i'm listening to spotify

markers, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 23:42 (seven years ago) link

gotta get these tapes out soon (for this band i recorded) but have no idea what im doing! i need to buy a tape duplicator! i need to buy...tapes! i need to figure out how to get this shit onto a master tape! what am i doing with my life! HELP!

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 00:58 (seven years ago) link

i told my mom i was in a new band called high school and she recommended that we call it COOL GIRLS instead. additionally, "i like just a girl's name, like maureen, or mabel, for a girl band"

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:01 (seven years ago) link

lmao at cool girls altho tbh i would like it as a name for a coed or all dude band

purp (roxymuzak), Thursday, 7 March 2013 01:01 (seven years ago) link

I used Logic Pro and a basic Focusrite Saffire interface, with two ribbon mics.

Incidentally, the composer was originally not that happy with how I recorded it. Iirc, he wanted a more distant, roomier sound, without ribbon mic colouration. I guess he came around to it enough to put it out there.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:22 (one month ago) link

alpine static, I'd recommend you just get Logic, a sound interface, a couple of microphones, and a pair of good studio headphones.

For sound interface, get an Apogee Duet-- the preamps are really good in it, you won't need anything else. If that's too expensive, get a Focusrite.

For microphones, the AKG 414 that Phoebe recommended is a good workhorse mic for everything. Except vocals. 414 isn't good for vocals. Get an SM7 for vocals, it's cheap and makes everyone sound good.

If you want to get a stereo pair of mics, everybody has different opinions about it. I use these active Rode ribbon mics but they're not for everyone.

DJ Fiona Apple Genius (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 13 June 2020 12:06 (one month ago) link

Do you use the Rode NTRs? I would be interested to try those. I used the AEA N22 ribbons for that recording (and for a piece of mine that was recorded in the same session, that I shared last year). Tbh, since I stopped working in a studio, I've usually just been renting mics - music stores rent them out p cheap, which I might recommend as an option, alpine.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 12:46 (one month ago) link

@ Sund4r yes, I bought a pair of NTRs prior to working on a film score that was gonna have a lot of harp on it. They are fussy to use because they're so heavy-- having them in a stereo pair with just a bog-standard mic stand means I gotta be careful about balancing their weight. They sound EXTREMELY good on weird shit like harp, harpsichord and celeste-- all the difficult-to-mic instruments, they're amazing. I like them on oboe, also.

DJ Fiona Apple Genius (flamboyant goon tie included), Saturday, 13 June 2020 17:19 (one month ago) link

Oh nice

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 20:08 (one month ago) link

awesome, thanks so much fgti and Sund4r. much appreciated.

i wish there was a way to play around with a few options before i drop hundreds of bucks on this stuff. i suppose i should watch some demo / review YouTubes.

alpine static, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 08:27 (four weeks ago) link

I need to come up with and record an arrangement of Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing by noon Saturday, possibly involving another singer I've never met. FUN TIMES NO PRESSURE

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 23:11 (three weeks ago) link

I found a reel to reel on the curb at trash day and it works. Not a fancy model ($200 on EBay) and it's pretty creaky but it has tube preamps and sounds pretty wild even not going to tape.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 27 June 2020 20:39 (two weeks ago) link

Received my Slum of Legs vinyl finally today & am really digging it right now — sounded great on phone/headphones but it really opens up in the living room with a real stereo. So glad I shelled out for the physical thing! It’s a treasure.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 2 July 2020 22:18 (one week ago) link

Aw jeez. Thank you <3

emil.y, Friday, 3 July 2020 17:02 (one week ago) link

today is my debut on a recording as a sideman! even the tiniest things are enough to brighten my mood a blip so i am trying to enjoy this milestone :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:24 (one week ago) link

i just went ahead and used sideman because there is no gender neutral option and i wanted to show again how absurd that term is. we can do better!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 3 July 2020 18:25 (one week ago) link

I attended a Zoom workshop led by Ben Monder yesterday, which was the most I've felt challenged in a long time - pretty much a 90 minute barrage of information. Just working through the first bit of it, I already feel like my soloing has gotten a lot stronger. The takes I laid down for the piece I'm working on are a lot closer to what I want them to be.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:49 (one week ago) link

i just went ahead and used sideman because there is no gender neutral option

Mike Watt uses "sidemouse"

bat ain't Thad (sic), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:03 (one week ago) link

thank you for acknowledging my post sic :)
and wow i forgot about that album! its most distinguishing characteristic is being too large for normal CD storage. i did not remember that song.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:16 (one week ago) link

it's a lesser track on the album but I've always liked the neutrality of the term! hope your mousegig goes well

bat ain't Thad (sic), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:11 (one week ago) link

I attended a Zoom workshop led by Ben Monder yesterday, which was the most I've felt challenged in a long time - pretty much a 90 minute barrage of information. Just working through the first bit of it, I already feel like my soloing has gotten a lot stronger. The takes I laid down for the piece I'm working on are a lot closer to what I want them to be.

Cool! Glad that worked out for you.

Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:33 (six days ago) link

serious question, but where would be a good *starting* point to strengthen lead playing. I'm a dude who settled for playing rhythm years ago, and I'm not looking to be Joe Satriani, and I know there are a ton of online lessons, but I tend to be the type of dude who just has a hard time getting started, once started i'm good to go.

like if u got any good videoz to point out for someone who has played the occasional bluesy solo but isn't doing tapping solos or nufin

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 05:05 (six days ago) link

richard lloyd is more than available for online lessons iirc

not actually joking, one of my buddies took weekly lessons from him while he was still in nyc and it was apparently amazing

gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 13:46 (six days ago) link

Neanderthal, are you very comfortable with a couple of movable major and minor scale forms? (I'm assuming you can play pentatonic and blues scales from what you said.) That's probably where I would start, with a metronome, and practising both picking every note (I favour alternate picking myself) and also playing slurred scales (hammering on going up, pulling off coming back down) in time with the metronome. If you haven't done this with the blues scale, that might be a good idea too. When that becomes easy, try doing slurred triplets with combined hammer-ons and pull-offs between adjacent notes on the same string (e.g. fifth position A natural minor: A-B-A, B-C-B, D-E-D, E-F-E, G-A-G, etc.) With bends, the thing is usually being able to hear/feel the right pitch you are bending to - practise hammering on to the target note, then try to duplicate it with a bend. Focus on just one thing at a time, though; definitely don't try doing all of this at once (I don't really know your level so maybe some of this is too basic?). Also just find easy solos you like, slow them down (easy to play Youtube videos at 50% or 75% speed if you don't have software that can do this), and play along with them, recording yourself.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:14 (six days ago) link

(Not Neanderthal but) my trouble with soloing is this: I am cool with a decent bunch of scales/modes and movable scale/mode forms. You can get pretty far if you're staying in key and noodling in an appropriate movable form.

But the harder part (that has never quite clicked for me) is keeping the current chord in mind and choosing notes from (or that go with) that chord. Like, an okay solo works with the key. To do a good solo, your note choices need to work well for the particular chord you are noodling over at that moment. So, like, it's one thing to play something that sounds generally good over an A blues; quite another to play something that tracks its movement between the I, the IV, the V, etc.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:50 (six days ago) link

use arpeggios?

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 14:55 (six days ago) link

So, like, it's one thing to play something that sounds generally good over an A blues; quite another to play something that tracks its movement between the I, the IV, the V, etc.

speaking as a former all-state jazz first trombonist, this is all in your head. just have a blast and the progression will eventually come back around.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 15:20 (six days ago) link

this sounds like overthinking dance steps -- i can pretty much never follow dancers who are very rigid about "correct moves" but if the leader goes with feeling, it's way way way easier to follow (if i have to follow)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 15:27 (six days ago) link

Think of it less in terms of what notes are allowed with each chord and more about do I like the way this melody sounds with the accompanying music.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 15:36 (six days ago) link

Agree with NickB that it helps to practise the arpeggios for the chords you are playing over (or for standard progressions), identify a couple of places you can play each, where it is easiest to transition between, and essentially fill in the spaces with passing notes, or to start that way. Also thinking of tendency tones helps: so e.g. the leading note (7th note of the scale) will tend to rise up to the tonic if e.g. you end with that note over a V chord when you are about to change to I; sevenths of chords (not the 7th scale degree) tend to fall at a chord change, etc. Usually avoid or de-emphasize notes that are a semitone above chord members. Unless you're playing over something like rhythm changes, where the chords change every two beats at 200 bpm, in which case, yeah, just feel it out. There are a million backing tracks for standard chord progressions on Youtube you can practise with. You definitely don't need to apply any of this like a strict rule but it's a good way to get started with getting out of a box.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:04 (six days ago) link

Usually avoid or de-emphasize notes that are a semitone above chord members

where is the fun in this I ask you

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:25 (six days ago) link

Well, don't do that if you want dissonance, which I often do! Leading into the chord member from a semitone away or a semitone below and above is a common jazz trick.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:30 (six days ago) link

But yeah, assuming that YMP wants to follow the harmony.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:31 (six days ago) link

("don't do that" = do the opposite of what I said if you want to sound dissonant)

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:34 (six days ago) link

See, I can play arpeggios, but that's basically the same as playing rhythm, to me.

And as far as sund4r's "thinking of tendency tones" and "avoid or de-emphasize notes that are a semitone above chord members," well, to do that I need to know what the chord IS, and that's the rub. If I have actually remember where we are, or look over at the other guitarist, "shit, what chord are we on now" then I lose the trance-state. As Tombot says, that's not as fun as letting loose and not caring where you are in the progression.

Anyways, it's not THAT big a deal - I do fine for the situations I put myself into, and I rarely have to play improvised leads anyway - I am usually on mandolin, or on drums, playing rhythm guitar. When I have to play a mandolin solo, I tend to write one and memorize it, as opposed to improvising.

LinkedIn Park (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:43 (six days ago) link

just play don't think so much

lumen (esby), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:48 (six days ago) link

Ah, if the trouble is keeping track of the changes, and this is something you want to do, then you probably will need to actively listen and count, which will mean getting out of the trance state for a while. And/or practise over those changes at that rhythm. Playing rhythm and playing lead are not that different - instead of repeating the arpeggios in a rhythmic fashion, you move around between the notes melodically and fill in the spaces. If you're doing fine letting loose and not caring, and that's more fun for you, then do that, ofc. I was just trying to answer the question (or at least the question I was inferring).xp

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:50 (six days ago) link

this is all in your head. just have a blast and the progression will eventually come back around.

this sounds like overthinking dance steps -- i can pretty much never follow dancers who are very rigid about "correct moves" but if the leader goes with feeling, it's way way way easier to follow (if i have to follow)

just play don't think so much

My only problem with this advice is that some people do learn better by learning, thinking about, and applying theory.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:53 (six days ago) link

you're of course right. the amount of brain space / cognitive appetite available for theory knowledge varies from person to person.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 16:55 (six days ago) link

I definitely feel like knowing some music theory gets in the way of creativity for me, especially when it comes to writing simpler music like the stuff I like.

DJI, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 17:06 (six days ago) link

you are absolutely correct that some people learn that way -- i am not one of them and that is ok too. it wasn't advice in my case, it was my experience i was relating

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:10 (six days ago) link

No worries. I read "overthinking" as judgment but thanks for clarifying.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:24 (six days ago) link

nah -- i know that this is what works for some people! i am a teacher! :) i just have a hard time dancing with people who have a very rote idea of how to dance. it's not a really a problem because the opportunity to dance with another person arises about 2x/decade ;_;

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:35 (six days ago) link

A perhaps simple way to do this:
Start with the blues. You might not like the 1 4 5 progression, but you surely know it well, and you can feel which of those chords you are on at any given time. The way to start finding local harmony rather than global harmony is to target the major 3rd note when you are on the 5 chord. In the key of E you will have been playing E pentatonic over E and A. When you go to the B chord you want to throw in an Eb note in place of a D. This will make sense in context of the chord you are on and offer an obvious way to resolve back to E natural on the I chord. Maybe you know this already.

29 facepalms, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:38 (six days ago) link

I don't improv very often but I really can't fathom being so zoned out that I don't know where I am in a chord progression; most of the music I'm singing, it's integral knowledge that affects voice-leading and my ability to properly tune the chord.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 19:14 (six days ago) link

29 facepalms's idea sounds good.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:08 (six days ago) link

HI DERE. I have in recently years been playing electric bass in jazz band and I heard you guys were talking about soloing.

Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:12 (six days ago) link

Oh wait, sorry wrong thread.

Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:13 (six days ago) link

then you probably will need to actively listen and count

Hah, yeah, fuck no. I don't even count when I'm playing drums in a weird time signature.

This just pushes me back onto Team Tombot / esby. Never mind.

The original question was from Neanderthal, so let's talk about what Neanderthal needs.

LinkedIn Park (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:16 (six days ago) link

By ear, can you pick out the root note of a chord? You could maybe try that to guide yourself?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 21:53 (six days ago) link

My ear sucks which is why I'm a drummer

LinkedIn Park (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:33 (six days ago) link

my ear is good for rhythm, that is why i am a drummer :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:52 (six days ago) link

What about learning to play the main melody of the song and then when it's time to solo using that as a starting point to make some variations?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 23:39 (six days ago) link

🤔

Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 23:49 (six days ago) link


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